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Should IIHF ban Canada due to hockey Canada sex scandal

Should Canada get banned from international hockey due to Hockey Canada sex scandal

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    Votes: 30 26.3%

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    Votes: 12 10.5%

  • No

    Votes: 72 63.2%
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What about Ukraine? Where does it say in any IIHF rule that you get banned for starting a war and not retaliating? Further, how can you distill so easily who started it? I'm sure Russia would suggest that Ukraine and other countries helping Ukraine provoked them.
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If you can't tell the part in bold then I really don't know what to say, it's pretty crystal clear to anyone who looks.
It's true that the Canada scenario would be different from banning countries due to war, but it's all pretty stupid. Why should the upcoming kids that'll be taking part be punished for something that had absolutely nothing to do with them?
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You are right it is a false equivalency but one is so egregious it requires an equally measured response.
 
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JackSlater said:
The post you quoted was in obvious analogy to the Russia situation mentioned in the thread, not whether the "tarred and feathered" Russian players should have been banned. I wouldn't have banned Russia from international hockey, but the analogy throughout the thread is stupid. Regarding the critical matter, Hockey Canada settled with a person who claimed that she had been sexually assaulted. You do not know whether she is actually a victim despite pretending that you do, just as I don't know whether she is. You can argue that Hockey Canada should still be punished either way I suppose for handling business inappropriately.
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We can agree on that, at least.

Ridiculous pandering, to punish the kids who have absolutely nothing to do with the war.

And yes, correct again, Hockey Canada did settle with the woman, using money set aside in some slush fund.....or rather, "hush fund". Recent digging has brought up other incidents as well (2003 I believe, and there may have been another as well), which to me says there might be a problem at the top.

If the "person who claimed that she had been sexually assaulted" changes her story in the coming weeks, who knows what the fallout will be. Ditto if she goes ahead and names the players who were "allegedly" in that hotel room that night, even though it seems as though every player on that team has denied involvement. :dunno:
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I get it. You have decided that your side is the good side of the war. You probably have no actual clue what the war is being fought over, but nonetheless you and likeminded people at IIHF back Ukraine.

My personal opinion is that IIHF should stay out. Let these countries fight their war and take no sides. Or if you take any stance, be consistent and ban all of them.
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So because I disagree with you, it's because I have no clue about what the war is being fought over?

I didn't even think it was a war, just a special military operation?

The world cannot tolerate tyrants like Putin invading sovereign nations
 
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I think they should ban them. If they banned Russia, despite Russian NT players not involved in the war in Ukraine, then I see no reason not to ban Canada as members of Hockey Canada were directly involved in this scandal.
 
cg98 said:
No it isn't and you can cry about it all you want. One is being currently resolved in court right now, the other is killing more people as we speak.

Yes gang r*pe is terrible, and Hockey Canada should most definitely be punished for covering it up. A war that is completely unfounded, has killed tens of thousands in just months, destroyed a country's infrastructure and economy, displaced millions, threatens millions more with famine, and is being waged by a tyrant that has threatened nuclear war to other countries and their peoples is even worse.
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Within a hockey context?, Yes it is. The Russia/Belarus Federation ban is 100% political in nature and has virtually nothing to do with the innate sport.

For that same reason I'd argue Russia's doping scandal is more severe than the Ukraine invasion.
 
Hanji said:
Within a hockey context?, Yes it is. The Russia/Belarus Federation ban is 100% political in nature and has virtually nothing to do with the innate sport.

For that same reason I'd argue Russia's doping scandal is more severe than the Ukraine invasion.
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No it actually isnt, and you can keep crying about it. One is being resolved, the other is being waged and is killing more people at the very second. You have no valid points.
 
Dr Pepper said:
We can agree on that, at least.

Ridiculous pandering, to punish the kids who have absolutely nothing to do with the war.

And yes, correct again, Hockey Canada did settle with the woman, using money set aside in some slush fund.....or rather, "hush fund". Recent digging has brought up other incidents as well (2003 I believe, and there may have been another as well), which to me says there might be a problem at the top.

If the "person who claimed that she had been sexually assaulted" changes her story in the coming weeks, who knows what the fallout will be. Ditto if she goes ahead and names the players who were "allegedly" in that hotel room that night, even though it seems as though every player on that team has denied involvement. :dunno:
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Yeah you really got them there. Hockey Canada definitely settled with the accuser. The 2003 accusations seem to have more potential as a criminal matter if the video that a few people claim to have seen can be shown to police.

I doubt that the accuser in the 2018 case can just name the players given that she accepted the settlement, but it's not that difficult to narrow down the people who have not denied any involvement. A host on NHL radio talked pretty directly about how he knows who the 8 accused players are, everyone in the league knows, and it will inevitably come out before long.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
So because I disagree with you, it's because I have no clue about what the war is being fought over?

I didn't even think it was a war, just a special military operation?

The world cannot tolerate tyrants like Putin invading sovereign nations
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No, I think you have no clue because you are comparing a regional war in Eastern Europe over disputed land between people from largely the same ethnic background to Hitler.

Ukraine is most certainly not a sovereign nation. You are dispelling your own knowledge.
 
bossram said:
I don't think the OP worded it eloquently, but it definitely didn't seem like he was saying an invasion = sexual assault allegations. He was asking (a legitimate) question about why Canada would escape any punishment for this.

The payments were made to settle cases so they never become public. And they wouldn't have, if not for investigative journalists like Rick Westhead and Katie Strang.

In one case, you have the hockey organizations of Belarus/Russia tangentially related to Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. On the other case, you have Hockey Canada directly coordinating a series of hush/slush fund payments to sexual assault victims.

Which is more serious? Yeah, obviously a freakin' war. Who is more responsible for the outcomes in each case? Well, pretty obviously Hockey Canada. Should Hockey Canada face punishment for that? It's a pretty reasonable question.
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The line of reasoning is what is so painfully stupid. The IIHF banned Russia and Belarus due to the invasion of Ukraine, so Canada should be banned due to a matter on a much smaller scale not pertaining to war or invasion? It's nonsense. If someone thinks that Canada should be banned or punished, that's one thing and you can argue it. I'd certainly agree that the Hockey Canada situation is at least hockey related. But any argument that tries to use the banning of Russia and Belarus as a justification for banning Canada is dead on arrival.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
What about Ukraine? Where does it say in any IIHF rule that you get banned for starting a war and not retaliating? Further, how can you distill so easily who started it? I'm sure Russia would suggest that Ukraine and other countries helping Ukraine provoked them.

It's true that the Canada scenario would be different from banning countries due to war, but it's all pretty stupid. Why should the upcoming kids that'll be taking part be punished for something that had absolutely nothing to do with them?
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Country blaming huh? Shame on the Ukraine for allowing to be invaded. So are you a Russian sympathizer?
 
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Didn't agree with the russian ban, wouldn't agree with this one.

Let the police deal with the offenders and let the hockey players who have zero to do with it play the game.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No, I think you have no clue because you are comparing a regional war in Eastern Europe over disputed land between people from largely the same ethnic background to Hitler.

Ukraine is most certainly not a sovereign nation. You are dispelling your own knowledge.
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Lmfao you keep telling yourself this garbage. Trying to justify the war you jerk it to while spewing your whataboutism about the West is pathetic and hilarious.

I thought your hockey opinions were shit and not actually you. The benefit of the doubt I had is obviously wrong. I'm honestly not surprised.
 
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cg98 said:
No it actually isnt, an One is being resolved, the other is being waged and is killing more people at the very second. You have no valid points.
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Nope, you can keep crying about it.

The IIHF is hockey's governing body. It's primarily duty is to promote the health of game, not to virtue signal over international politics. It's neglecting its duty by favoring the latter over the former, and by being used as a tool to influence non-hockey related matters.
You have no valid points. At all.
 
Hanji said:
Nope, you can keep crying about it.

The IIHF is hockey's governing body. It's primarily duty is to promote the health of game, not to virtue signal over international politics. It's neglecting it's duty by favoring the latter over the former, and by being used as a tool to influence non-hockey related matters.
You have no valid points. .
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Nope, you said absolutely nothing of any value that I'm not even going to bother to read or acknowledge. You are wrong and you can convince yourself that you aren't. You are. And YOU can certainly keep crying about it lmfao.
 
cg98 said:
Nope, you said absolutely nothing of any value that I'm not even going to bother to read or acknowledge. You are wrong and you can convince yourself that you aren't. You are. And YOU can certainly keep crying about it lmfao.
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No rebuttal then?

Just the typical 4th grade "I'm right, you're wrong!" shtick?:laugh:
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No, I think you have no clue because you are comparing a regional war in Eastern Europe over disputed land between people from largely the same ethnic background to Hitler.

Ukraine is most certainly not a sovereign nation. You are dispelling your own knowledge.
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Ukraine is indeed a sovereign nation as a member nation of the UN, that's not even debatable it's a fact.

The answer to the OP should and will be a big fat NO.
 
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wetcoast said:
Ukraine is indeed a sovereign nation as a member nation of the UN, that's not even debatable it's a fact.

The answer to the OP should and will be a big fat NO.
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That’s not what a sovereign country is.

swiftwin said:
It's not a regional dispute. There mere fact that you claim this is a regional dispute shows that you seem to support Russia's war of aggression.
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I’ve heard this one before. Doesn’t bother me what names you want to call me. I made my position clear.

You have taken sides. I haven’t.
 
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