Should Cronin be fired? Yay or Nay?

[ohcomeonref]

I wonder why no one had an answer for this

Because it's not our job to do homework for you. Sometimes coach firings work out immediately, sometimes they don't. Cronin is clearly not working.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Can someone point out other head coaches of rebuilding teams within the last 10 years where a coach didn't last a full 2 seasons and wasn't replaced due to either a GM change in the middle of their tenure or the coach losing their job for off ice reasons?

The Blues are re-tooling and just fired Bannister after a year and a half

 

[JAHV]

• Scott Arniel with Columbus - fired from a bad Columbus team after exactly 1.5 seasons. This is a pretty good analog for Cronin.
• Barry Melrose with Tampa - fired after 16 games

 

[MMC]

• Scott Arniel with Columbus - fired from a bad Columbus team after exactly 1.5 seasons. This is a pretty good analog for Cronin.
• Barry Melrose with Tampa - fired after 16 games

So it hasn’t happened within the last 10 years

 

[JAHV]

So it hasn’t happened within the last 10 years

Is there a reason why that's an important cutoff?

 

[MMC]

Is there a reason why that's an important cutoff?

Nope, just trying to illustrate how rarely what people are asking for here actually occurs

 

[JAHV]

Nope, just trying to illustrate how rarely what people are asking for here actually occurs

It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.

 

[eaterfan]

It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.

I also think the Ducks are at a pretty interesting point in their rebuild. Like if Cronin had been hired a year earlier, I think he makes it through 2 seasons. This team has Zegras, McTavish, Minty, Leo, and Cutter. That's 5 very high picks. Additionally, there's Zell who busted out as a highly ranked prospect. Not many teams who are rebuilding have that many high picks playing in year 2.

 

[MMC]

It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.

Or the GM realizes it takes at least 2 years to identify progress on a crap team

 

[freikugel]

Or the GM realizes it takes at least 2 years to identify progress on a crap team

I'm sure (arbitrary timeline) is what every bad teams fanbase tells themselves, even Sisyphus realized he was pushing a boulder up a hill faster than that, not sure what half a season more of this same thing is supposed to tell them what the last 1.5 didn't. Sounds like insanity to me.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Can someone point out other head coaches of rebuilding teams within the last 10 years where a coach didn't last a full 2 seasons and wasn't replaced due to either a GM change in the middle of their tenure or the coach losing their job for off ice reasons?

See : Sabres, Buffalo; Blackhawks, Chicago; Canucks, Vancouver; Canadiens, Montreal; Flyers, Philadelphia, Blue Jackets, Columbus

I got tired of looking at this at this point. It’s very common over the last 4-5 seasons. The Sabres have done it three times in their rebuild, but they’re the poster child for why you don’t want your owner to be super involved in personnel decisions.

 

[MMC]

See : Sabres, Buffalo; Blackhawks, Chicago; Canucks, Vancouver; Canadiens, Montreal; Flyers, Philadelphia, Blue Jackets, Columbus

I got tired of looking at this at this point. It’s very common over the last 4-5 seasons. The Sabres have done it three times in their rebuild, but they’re the poster child for why you don’t want your owner to be super involved in personnel decisions.

Out of all the teams you listed I think only Buffalo with Krueger accurately applies to what I said

 

[DuckRogers10]

I wonder why no one had an answer for this

Why are you such a Cronin homer?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Both him and Verbeek need to go

 

[Tecumseh]

Why are you such a Cronin homer?

I would like an answer to this question besides the obvious fact that he’s trolling