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Should Cronin be fired? Yay or Nay?

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Should Cronin be Fired?

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MMC said:
Can someone point out other head coaches of rebuilding teams within the last 10 years where a coach didn't last a full 2 seasons and wasn't replaced due to either a GM change in the middle of their tenure or the coach losing their job for off ice reasons?
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The Blues are re-tooling and just fired Bannister after a year and a half
 
MMC said:
Nope, just trying to illustrate how rarely what people are asking for here actually occurs
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It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.
 
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JAHV said:
It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.
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I also think the Ducks are at a pretty interesting point in their rebuild. Like if Cronin had been hired a year earlier, I think he makes it through 2 seasons. This team has Zegras, McTavish, Minty, Leo, and Cutter. That's 5 very high picks. Additionally, there's Zell who busted out as a highly ranked prospect. Not many teams who are rebuilding have that many high picks playing in year 2.
 
JAHV said:
It is rare, but the reason why it's rare is not that it shouldn't happen in this case. It's that:

1. GMs who fire coaches after 1.5 seasons are putting their own jobs in jeopardy, so there's a self-interest involved that has nothing to do with the quality of the coach.
2. Owners of small market teams don't like paying multiple coaches at once.
3. It's not common that teams hire coaches who are as bad at their jobs as Cronin appears to be. (I will leave wiggle room in case he's actually fostering development that we can't see.)

I don't think the Ducks WILL fire Cronin for reasons 1 and 2 above. But they should.
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Or the GM realizes it takes at least 2 years to identify progress on a crap team
 
MMC said:
Or the GM realizes it takes at least 2 years to identify progress on a crap team
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I'm sure (arbitrary timeline) is what every bad teams fanbase tells themselves, even Sisyphus realized he was pushing a boulder up a hill faster than that, not sure what half a season more of this same thing is supposed to tell them what the last 1.5 didn't. Sounds like insanity to me.
 
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MMC said:
Can someone point out other head coaches of rebuilding teams within the last 10 years where a coach didn't last a full 2 seasons and wasn't replaced due to either a GM change in the middle of their tenure or the coach losing their job for off ice reasons?
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See : Sabres, Buffalo; Blackhawks, Chicago; Canucks, Vancouver; Canadiens, Montreal; Flyers, Philadelphia, Blue Jackets, Columbus

I got tired of looking at this at this point. It’s very common over the last 4-5 seasons. The Sabres have done it three times in their rebuild, but they’re the poster child for why you don’t want your owner to be super involved in personnel decisions.
 
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Ducks DVM said:
See : Sabres, Buffalo; Blackhawks, Chicago; Canucks, Vancouver; Canadiens, Montreal; Flyers, Philadelphia, Blue Jackets, Columbus

I got tired of looking at this at this point. It’s very common over the last 4-5 seasons. The Sabres have done it three times in their rebuild, but they’re the poster child for why you don’t want your owner to be super involved in personnel decisions.
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Out of all the teams you listed I think only Buffalo with Krueger accurately applies to what I said
 
Tecumseh said:
I would like an answer to this question besides the obvious fact that he’s trolling
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I've already explained my stance on Cronin a number of times but I suppose I can yet again... I actually don't really care either way for Cronin and I wouldn't be upset if he were either fired tonight or brought back for next season. I think probably the most I've complimented him is saying that I don't buy the allegations from some that he's created a toxic locker room here. I'm going to root for him to succeed because I'm a fan of this team and he's our guy whether anyone likes it or not. I think the collective outrage towards him on this board is incredibly misguided for a number of reasons.

1. This is an incredibly young roster with some good but not game changing veterans sprinkled in the mix. Thinking this roster as currently constructed is built to win anything makes no sense to me. A crappy record should be expected.

2. Cronin was brought in by PV to do a specific job and only he knows if he's successfully accomplishing that or not. Either way if you aren't happy about the way Cronin is coaching this team you should probably blame PV for it as it seems to be his mandate.

3. As I illustrated already, coaches of rebuilding teams usually get a few years to try to develop something so firing him now would be holding him to a standard that doesn't really fit where we're at as a team.

4. Because of point #2, if you're firing Cronin just to get rid of him rather than facilitating bringing in someone PV actually wants to coach this team, whichever one of our assistants takes over in the interim is will again just be following what PV wants so all that's really changing is the name you guys are complaining about on here.

If you're firing Cronin because PV has a specific guy in mind who he's talked to and knows is ready to take over this team and will actually put the guy in a position to succeed, by all means fire Cronin and bring that guy in. But if that's not the case here then you'd just be firing him for the sake of it. PV doesn't strike me as a guy who makes moves merely for the sake of doing something.
 
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Cronins comments about the system he wants and the players he has that don't fit it is exactly why this is completely failing. This makes the franchise seem dysfunctional and when you see the product it sure looks that way

The people in charge hide and never talk to the fans, but we are just supposed to trust the plan...f*** outta here with that, you got the coach wrong and we are seeing the ramifications of that


If you are willing to pay a good or experienced coach enough money they will take the job, doing nothing is telling us this is acceptable
 
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