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Should Cronin be fired? Yay or Nay? THINK ABOUT THE KIDS!!

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Should Cronin be Fired?

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Mr Rogers said:
It must be nice to be at the helm of the worst offense in the league basically for the 2nd year in a row and essentially only have to answer to the media - which is very friendly to begin with - at home games.
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And your answers are
"I don't know what to tell you, we just didn't capitalize on our chances and the other team did"
 
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KaseMeOutside said:
At this point it's about Verbeeks ego and he's willing to sabotage his highest draft picks to not admit he got the coach wrong.

Cronin has not shown at any point he is an NHL head coach and all we've seen is regression or lack of progression from most of the guys this thing was to be built around. It's possible a new coach can't save this but the longer it goes it just adds Ls onto your resume Pat
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Verbeek doubled down on his full tank mode with his 2022 off-season acquisitions after the Verbeekening. Blamed it on Eakins, but then proceeded to rehaul the blueline with actual physical players with talent. Then tripled down by saying the team was far better last year despite only being one point better than the previous season.

For points, we are doing much better than the previous season. The underlying metrics show we are doing worse offensively and our goalies are propping us up.
 
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As someone who has been laid off four times, I never wish for anyone to lose his/her job. It's humiliating and soul-crushing, and for most of us it portends financial peril. But there are times when its warranted, and this is certainly one. Anyone who watches this team on the regular knows its time for a change (except for Verbeek, evidently).
 
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Rooch said:
As someone who has been laid off four times, I never wish for anyone to lose his/her job. It's humiliating and soul-crushing, and for most of us it portends financial peril. But there are times when its warranted, and this is certainly one. Anyone who watches this team on the regular knows its time for a change (except for Verbeek, evidently).
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Agreed, it sucks. It happened to me once too, the amount of rage it induces towards former bosses at random moments is crazy too

At least with an NHL coach, he should be pretty financially well off. It’s different fortunately than the average worker. Cro is about retirement age anyway
 
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Rooch said:
As someone who has been laid off four times, I never wish for anyone to lose his/her job. It's humiliating and soul-crushing, and for most of us it portends financial peril. But there are times when its warranted, and this is certainly one. Anyone who watches this team on the regular knows its time for a change (except for Verbeek, evidently).
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I have also been laid off and getting fired as a coach is nothing like it IMO
 
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"Wait, so if I get fired, I still get paid and I don't have to deal with teenagers whining about playing time? Or having to answer stupid questions about why we can't score goals? Huh."

Are we sure Cronin isn't playing 3-D chess here?
 
JAHV said:
"Wait, so if I get fired, I still get paid and I don't have to deal with teenagers whining about playing time? Or having to answer stupid questions about why we can't score goals? Huh."

Are we sure Cronin isn't playing 3-D chess here?
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I feel like if your answer to the stupid questions is "I don't know", you probably aren't gettin any hard ones after.
 
AngelDuck said:
Last 3 seasons, goals for per game:

2022-2023: 2.54
2023-2024: 2.48
2024-2025: 2.41

And this is in a high scoring era for the league, where most teams are averaging well over 3 goals per game

I agree with the above post that Verbeek is starting to come off as egotistical the longer this goes on.

We’re worse offensively than last year despite having WAY fewer injuries
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Jesus, brutal
 
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AngelDuck said:
I’ll just be glad if he’s let go after the season ends

Unfortunately, a mid-season firing seems like a pipe dream
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A mid season firing makes no sense, unless you make a change to the top 9.

Get our depth scoring third liners playing 3rd line minutes, and get our young top 10 talent together on lines, on the pk, and pp1.

McT - Leo - Terry
Cutter - Z - Killorn
Vats - Strome - Colangelo

Gaucher should see time before the end of the year, Judd, pasta, and or Sidorov all should have the opportunity to get a shot.

maybe i’m too trusting, but I doubt Cronin is playing solid third line players as if they are McDavid without being told this directly by Verbeek, as a way to shelter the youth.
 
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TheDarkWingThatDucks said:
A mid season firing makes no sense, unless you make a change to the top 9.

Get our depth scoring third liners playing 3rd line minutes, and get our young top 10 talent together on lines, on the pk, and pp1.

McT - Leo - Terry
Cutter - Z - Killorn
Vats - Strome - Colangelo

Gaucher should see time before the end of the year, Judd, pasta, and or Sidorov all should have the opportunity to get a shot.

maybe i’m too trusting, but I doubt Cronin is playing solid third line players as if they are McDavid without being told this directly by Verbeek, as a way to shelter the youth.
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A mid season firing makes plenty of sense for a myriad of reasons at this point. Mostly due to the inability to score goals and have efficient special teams.

The issue is that Verbeek is going to give his guy until the end of the season. At least.
 
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Sadly, I could see the idea of giving Cronin the rest of the season fir a few reasons:
  1. He doesn't have to try and hire anyone mid season.
  2. He gives his guys a reasonable 2 season to turn things around
  3. More coaches likely available in the summer
  4. If the team doesn't turn around he likely gets a better draft pick.
I'm just not sure if he sees a season like this as too detrimental to the teams development or not.
 
Rooch said:
As someone who has been laid off four times, I never wish for anyone to lose his/her job. It's humiliating and soul-crushing, and for most of us it portends financial peril. But there are times when its warranted, and this is certainly one. Anyone who watches this team on the regular knows its time for a change (except for Verbeek, evidently).
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3rd time for me (unemployed since July) so I can absolutely relate. That said, I still haven't voted on the poll for this thread because I truly don't know.

What I do know is, a lot of people have been bandwagoning the idea and not many have been thinking it through. That gives me a lot of pause. It took me a long time to learn this, but just because you see something you don't agree with doesn't mean you're right.

I can see both sides of the argument, which is why I'm still undecided.
 
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DavidBL said:
Sadly, I could see the idea of giving Cronin the rest of the season fir a few reasons:
  1. He doesn't have to try and hire anyone mid season.
  2. He gives his guys a reasonable 2 season to turn things around
  3. More coaches likely available in the summer
  4. If the team doesn't turn around he likely gets a better draft pick.
I'm just not sure if he sees a season like this as too detrimental to the teams development or not.
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Some great points. I really think a big reason why we won’t see a change mid-season is he’s not super high on anybody who’s available. There’s no point in firing somebody just for the sake of it, assuming the replacements wouldn’t be much of an upgrade.


I’m expecting somebody to respond with “well anybody is an upgrade” but there’s no way Verbeek sees things that way, lacking any nuance.
 
Can someone point out other head coaches of rebuilding teams within the last 10 years where a coach didn't last a full 2 seasons and wasn't replaced due to either a GM change in the middle of their tenure or the coach losing their job for off ice reasons?
 
All or some of these could be true.

-Verbeek thinks Cronin has done a better job than this board does
-Ownership doesn't like paying two head coaches at once
-Verbeek has no one in mind to replace him, or the person he wants is working elsewhere
-Verbeek and Cronin are on the same page (frightening thought)
 
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AngelDuck said:
A mid season firing makes plenty of sense for a myriad of reasons at this point. Mostly due to the inability to score goals and have efficient special teams.

The issue is that Verbeek is going to give his guy until the end of the season. At least.
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My point is more that, I confidently believe Verbeek has control over roster deployment.

And Jim Montgomery could turn Vats / Strome / Terry into a shutdown goal scoring first line.

Or Isac / Leo / Killorn into an amazing shutdown line….. which I pray Verbeek and Cronin are talking about because otherwise Cronin is just one of the worst coaches of all time.

Also unless your future HC is available, or you think Cronin is ruining the development of the kids (which I don’t believe is true since I think Verbeek is partially in charge of deployment) no real reason to let Thompson run the final part of the season.
 
Deuce22 said:
All or some of these could be true.

-Verbeek thinks Cronin has done a better job than this board does
-Ownership doesn't like paying two head coaches at once
-Verbeek has no one in mind to replace him, or the person he wants is working elsewhere
-Verbeek and Cronin are on the same page (frightening thought)
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The bolded one keeps me up at night.

Despite my distaste for the way this team has been coached to play though, the other 3 points you made here are legit. Verbeek could just be a moron and likes what's going on with the team, ownership could have him handcuffed, or nobody suitable/willing has presented themselves.
 
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