OT: Shooting at Parliament
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Vesa Awesaka
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Cameraman was huttled in a corner and i thought i heard a shot gun blast then a whole bunch of pistol fire. Feed is over now i think
The Shermanator
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I don't know for sure but I imagine it will be. At least in the coming days if not tomorrow.
The thing I worry about is that Nathan is going to get a huge funeral and there will be lots of military people present. Large target.
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Sun God Nika
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I really hope the person who killed the shooter/terrorist isn't awarded with a medal, or called hero. He did what he had to do, leave it at that no need to celebrate the suspects death.
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Well that person already has been called one.
And he gets to carry around a giant mace daily.
Some articles were posted earlier, but Kevin Vickers, sergeant-at-arms is who reportedly downed the shooter in parliament.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/22/na1023-oco-vickers/
BonkTastic
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Aside from mental illness?
Pseudo-Christian fundamentalism that led to extreme Islamophobia.
StefanW
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I think the point would be to celebrate the lives that he saved. Killing the person intent on taking those lives was just a means to that end.
I want to go downtown tomorrow and ditch work to pay my respects. This is my city I grew up here. I was just down town last Tuesday with my girlfriend and watching the changing of the Guard. Here are the pics we took.
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That's interesting.
I am sure that being an Afghani and a Canadian would certainly give her a unique viewpoint,but I dont think it means that we should necessarily dismiss everything she has to say.
BonkTastic
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I generally dismiss most op-ed pieces written hours after a tragedy/event like this, regardless of the author. Most of them are worthless. Doubly so if the author is emotionally compromised somehow, and shows clear editorialization in the piece, such as this one.
We shouldn't dismiss what she has to say a month from now, but it's too soon for me to take this as anything other than a plea to emotion. We should also consider the possibility that she may be too close to the issue to offer an unbiased viewpoint as well.
Like in all things, clearer heads will prevail once everyone calms down. No need to make unilaterally decisive, hyperbolic, and completely unnecessarily inflammatory statements like "The safest country in the world is no longer a safe place" within hours of the attack. All that does is get everyone's bile up. It's a knee-jerk reaction born from emotion instead of reason.
Vesa Awesaka
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REALLY emotional piece. She blindly bashes Harper without without getting her facts straight or even giving reasons. I'm not Harper fan but come onnnnnn. This is akin the the Rush Limbaugh/GlennBecks
StefanW
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Aside from being knee-jerk, as Bonk already pointed out, the piece by Pazira is not particularly good. I am not a Harper fan, but the points she makes are nonsensical.
First off, the fact that two people on the terror watch list have already gone on to commit murder in acts of terror probably supports an argument that the list is pretty accurate and necessary. The radicalization of individuals within nations is a reality that Western nations now have to deal with. I do personally have a beef with how Harper has dealt with this (i.e. using his BS neo-liberal "there is no society" "don't commit sociology" crap undercuts proper analysis of the issue), but she does not get there. Instead, she just trumpets that the watch list divided Canadians.
With respect to what prompted those acts at this particular time, there may very well be a connection with Canada's participation in the mission against ISIS. However, she seems to really misunderstand how that type of terrorism works. Acts of terror are often designed to force people to take sides more than do damage. The intent could very well be (and is likely to be, IMO), to radicalize more Canadians. The racism and hate directed toward targeted minority groups feeds into this process.
I could go on, but there really is no point to it. In my estimation the article is worthless regardless of who wrote it. She is simply fueling fear of a different kind.
First off, the fact that two people on the terror watch list have already gone on to commit murder in acts of terror probably supports an argument that the list is pretty accurate and necessary. The radicalization of individuals within nations is a reality that Western nations now have to deal with. I do personally have a beef with how Harper has dealt with this (i.e. using his BS neo-liberal "there is no society" "don't commit sociology" crap undercuts proper analysis of the issue), but she does not get there. Instead, she just trumpets that the watch list divided Canadians.
With respect to what prompted those acts at this particular time, there may very well be a connection with Canada's participation in the mission against ISIS. However, she seems to really misunderstand how that type of terrorism works. Acts of terror are often designed to force people to take sides more than do damage. The intent could very well be (and is likely to be, IMO), to radicalize more Canadians. The racism and hate directed toward targeted minority groups feeds into this process.
I could go on, but there really is no point to it. In my estimation the article is worthless regardless of who wrote it. She is simply fueling fear of a different kind.
Do Make Say Think
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There's little reasoning or understanding when dealing with genocidal murderers or with people in our own backyard who see journalists and humanitarian workers being beheaded and sympathize with the beheaders rather than the beheadee. That homegrown radicals become unstable, misinformed, misdirected because they're largely forgotten social outcasts is unfortunate and a tragedy for the communities and families that they affect. Perhaps something could have been done sooner. Perhaps the warning signs were not caught swiftly enough. Or perhaps they were deaf to all entreaties for sanity? We've seen this story so many times now and at some point the perpetrators should bear the brunt of the responsibility for going down the path they did. Some people are just ***** dear.
Do Make Say Think
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Not all problems can be fixed
That's a real life lesson. A really tough one to accept too
Everyday I struggle with it
That's a real life lesson. A really tough one to accept too
Everyday I struggle with it
In no way do I want to offend you, but can I ask what your definition of a heroic act is? And further more, how does calling him a hero translate to celebrating death? I think it is a way of celebrating life, no?
ChocolateLeclaire
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You are trying to connect two events that have nothing to do with each other. Recognizing the heroism and quick-thinking of Kevin Vickers in outright preventing a catastrophic event does not do anything to "celebrate" the death of the shooter.
I cannot see how anyone would think this is a "celebration" of the shooter. Was recognizing the first responders at the World Trade Center a celebration of the terrorists that hijacked the place?
What a terrible choice of words.
His job is to protect the house but I'm sure no where in the job description mentions facing a homicidal extremist armed with a shotgun head on. It really annoys me when someone trivializes when a uniformed professional does something under extraordinary circumstances and people say: "he/she was just doing their job."
I have no problem celebrating the death of people who see fit to do these kind of things. In fact I hope that more people like that die.
Sun God Nika
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There is no real definition of a hero, we live in a real world, what he did was brave, but the shooter likely had his last minutes numbered anyways with all the shots he was facing in that video.
Honestly, I just hope less people like that exist.... It sucks having ****ed up people exist to kill people, then die themselves just proving to be a waste of opportunity
I bet if you ask Kevin Vickers he would say he was just doing his job. It was a heroic act plain & simple. He saved peoples lives. Just like that pilot who landed the plane in the Hudson river. Or a fireman or a doctor. Some people just have jobs that involve being what other people consider heroic.
Kandahar was a fantastic movie! Wasn't Pazira a Carleton student at some point?
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Yep, got her degree in Journalism there. Masters at Concordia, if my Google-Fu is correct.
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