OT: Shooting at Parliament

[swiftwin]

Sure, but until it "peters out" how many other innocent people are going to be hurt or killed by these crazies. I want to feel secure in my city. I know that's asking a lot in this age.

As for the picture of the shooter that's on CBC...we should be asking who took that picture. Clearly that person should be on watch and be scrutinized.

True, but that's what they thrive on, the fear, and the idea that the next ISIL guy is around the corner, when in reality, there is no ISIL guy around the corner.

The guy around the corner is a deranged person or street criminal who may or may not have acted this way anyways. Why is it that the guy who lost his job at OC Transpo and shot up the place back in the 90's not a terrorist, but the guy today is a terrorist?

What about the guy from a few days ago? Didn't he lose his job/wife/had depression? That profile sound similar to the guy who shot up the OC transpo building.

 

[Snow Dog]

Sympathy from a Leafs fan.Just seen a picture of the shooter and he sure as hell doesn't look like he's from Canada to me.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Why don't governments delete these types of twitter accounts?
And block all ISIS/terrorism type websites so people here can't get brainwashed.
Even if it helps a little bit, it would be worth doing so.

They delete some and follow others so they can keep track of who views them. In a few cases US government agencies have been known to even take shot at them over twitter.

 

[Caeldan]

Why don't governments delete these types of twitter accounts?
And block all ISIS/terrorism type websites so people here can't get brainwashed.
Even if it helps a little bit, it would be worth doing so.

Because it's a slippery slope.
In some cases, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

Also, trying to block access on the internet is pretty much a losing battle and just bad PR in an environment that enjoys freedom of speech.

Plus if referring to Twitter specifically, that's a private sector issue. It'll be up to Twitter to decide if an account is in accordance with their ToS

 

[CanadienShark]

Really just a generally bad situation. Kind of scary, seeing as I can see parliament from my apartment. Hope everyone else in Ottawa stays safe!

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Why don't governments delete these types of twitter accounts?
And block all ISIS/terrorism type websites so people here can't get brainwashed.
Even if it helps a little bit, it would be worth doing so.

The account has been suspended already

 

[sooshii]

Oiler fan here, came to say our thoughts are with you guys today.

Always remember a fallen soldier.

Same sentiment from my neck of the woods.


RIP Cpl. Nathan Cirillo.

 

[Snow Dog]

True, but that's what they thrive on, the fear, and the idea that the next ISIL guy is around the corner, when in reality, there is no ISIL guy around the corner.

The guy around the corner is a deranged person or street criminal who may or may not have acted this way anyways. Why is it that the guy who lost his job at OC Transpo and shot up the place back in the 90's not a terrorist, but the guy today is a terrorist?

What about the guy from a few days ago? Didn't he lose his job/wife/had depression? That profile sound similar to the guy who shot up the OC transpo building.

this is different.the shooter was inspired to do his deed by a known terrorist group that has let it been known that things like this were going to happen in out country.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Why don't governments delete these types of twitter accounts?
And block all ISIS/terrorism type websites so people here can't get brainwashed.
Even if it helps a little bit, it would be worth doing so.

...and what happens if a business-friendly government decides to take the next step and ban any climate change websites because it doesn't fit with their vision? Or banning whatever genre of music is en vogue to hate?

Too much of a slippery slope.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

What a joke how the media tries to twist this so hard to be religious rather than just a crazy person acting on his own twisted interests.

Reuters: Suspect in Ottawa attack identified, was a Canadian convert to Islam

That last part makes it seem like he no longer became Canadian once he converted or he no longer became "good" and that his motives are now understandable.

Consequently it becomes stuck in the subconscious of the viewer. Example is the many reactions in this thread when the news first broke. Brilliant rhetoric.

Does it really matter who claims credit?

At the end of the day, I feel like the days of planned attacks by terrorist organizations in western countries are over. We are too good at finding them, see the Toronto 18 incident, and countless other plans we and other countries have busted.

The cutting edge of terrorism these days is to create media ****storms and inspire lone wolves to conduct attacks on their own. These types of attacks are impossible to catch before they happen because they don't communicate with anyone.

I'm not sounding off on you, but I'm just pointing out that 9/11-style planned attacks Al-Quaeda style are dated. This is a new age of terrorism, social media style.

Excellent post.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Anyone know what the motive was?

 

[Quo]

Sympathy from a Leafs fan.Just seen a picture of the shooter and he sure as hell doesn't look like he's from Canada to me.

I don't look like I'm from Canada. Born and raised though. Looks are BS.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Too true. These attacks by "lone wolves" are scary because there isn't much you can do to stop them.

In this case, authorities had Biebau on a watch list and seized his passport...

This is what ISIL/ISIS wants...it doesn't want to actually coordinate attacks, it wants to inspire them.

Where did you see that Bibeau was on a list and had his passport taken? I had heard that this was the case for the man who ran over the soldiers two days ago (Couture) but nothing on Bibeau. If you have a link, that would be great.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

What a joke how the media tries to twist this so hard to be religious rather than just a crazy person acting on his own twisted interests.

Reuters: Suspect in Ottawa attack identified, was a Canadian convert to Islam

That last part makes it seem like he no longer became Canadian once he converted or he no longer became "good" and that his motives are now understandable.

Consequently it becomes stuck in the subconscious of the viewer. Example is the many reactions in this thread when the news first broke. Brilliant rhetoric.



Excellent post.

You dont think he was inspired from religion? Seems like the majority of terror attacks world wide are spawned from religious zealots who interpret holy books as violently as they can

 

[CanadienShark]

According to CBC, police just issued a notice that they want downtown back on lockdown and are asking people to remain where they are... yikes, hopefully it's just a safety precaution and not a hint at something worse.

 

[Sens Rule]

Already is free. You can see a mental health nurse at any Health center and you can have a doctor refer you to a physicist or physiologist.

Can I talk to Stephen Hawking about my delusions?

But seriously... Do you know anyone in the Mental Health system? Sure it is free. Try to see A psychiatrist, they are free. Maybe wait a year? Psychologists aren't free, and like Dentists it is easy to get an appointment. All you need is $100-150 an hour.

The do it for Darrin campaign to raise awareness of mental illness is kind of a joke. So it isn't a bad label to have a mental illness anymore, a lot of good that does you if there is no real help available.

You can get help if you are completely out of control, if you are just ill and not running around naked or committing crimes, good luck.

The Quebec Hit and Run guy was profoundly mentally ill. I am guessing that this shooter likely was too. As are most of the school shooters.

 

[The Shermanator]

Lockdown back ON. Situation is evolving...

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Sympathy from a Leafs fan.Just seen a picture of the shooter and he sure as hell doesn't look like he's from Canada to me.

There isn't anyone who 'looks' Canadian. We aren't a homogenous nation.

This man was born and raised in Canada FYI.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

this is different.the shooter was inspired to do his deed by a known terrorist group that has let it been known that things like this were going to happen in out country.

So person inspired to kill by terrorist group = horrible.

Person inspired to kill by depression/hatred of condition of life = understandable?

With all due respect to the solider who died today, 2 friends of mine have been murdered for no reason in past year, should I also be rallying up the nation and demanding increased security for this atrocity or does that only apply if the guy comes from another religion?

 

[Bob Cole]

wasnt harper suppose to talk at 7?

 

[swiftwin]

You dont think he was inspired from religion?

Not by the religion itself.

-Firstly, he was already a street criminal and drug dealer arrested multiple times, and therefore a disenfranchised member of society
-Secondly, he was obviously deranged in some way in order to want to kill innocent people, no different than any of the other "shooting spree" people over the last year or two (ie. Sandy Hook, Aurora Movie shooting, Virginia Tech, etc.)
-Thirdly, has been inspired by a group of criminals in Iraq and Syria who are in a power struggle to own land, money, and power
-Fourthly, that group of people use Islam as a conduit to push their ways and assert their power in the region.

The actual answer is way more nebulous than just "He was inspired by religion". If you remove religion from the equation, something like this could easily still happen.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Lived in ottawa for the last 4 years so sympathies but I hope you guys are staying safe. can't believe it's so close to the place i used to chill.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Lockdown back ON. Situation is evolving...

Had the lockdown been turned off at any point?

It sounded like they released people only after buildings were swept...

 

[Benjamin]

What a joke how the media tries to twist this so hard to be religious rather than just a crazy person acting on his own twisted interests.

Just going with the odds I guess. Thats not a prejudice thing. Thats just a fact.

 

[The Shermanator]

wasnt harper suppose to talk at 7?

Thought so too. 7:45 now.