Rumor: Shesterkin’s camp is aiming for a contract which would equate to a netminding record of $12.9M

[Sol]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but then do you just call the teams with the far and away best goalies in the world ‘unlucky’?

Since it’s better for your team to NOT have the best goalie in the world? According to your argument here, that’s what you’re saying.

Rags would rather have a ‘decent’ goalie than the best in the world.

Don’t you see how that’s a problem? The owners and the NHLPA need to come to the table to fix this. Having the best goalie in the world on your team should be an advantage, not a disadvantage.

GMs should realize that you shouldn’t pay absurd prices when having a great goalie isn’t a recipe for success. Having really good skaters win you cups. If GMs are going to bomb their team going all in for a goalie of all things then that’s on them for being stupid gms

 

[Joe Sakic]

If the Rangers sign him to a $12.9M AAV they are idiots.

You let him walk if he demands that. You think any other team has the realistic cap space to sign him for that? Maybe, but I guarantee you one thing, that team will not be a legit Stanley cup contender.

Goalies are streaky. You could sign your whole tandem for $12.9M or less.

 

[LurkerMcgee]

One of the highest paid goalies in the league just won a Cup, you know.

I know

 

[Strangle]

GMs should realize that you shouldn’t pay absurd prices when having a great goalie isn’t a recipe for success. Having really good skaters win you cups. If GMs are going to bomb their team going all in for a goalie of all things then that’s on them for being stupid gms

I think you’re glossing over the point I’m making.

I’ll try to be more clear:

Having the best goalie in the world should be an advantage to your team, but it seems it’s a disadvantage. Hockey games should be valued by the on-ice performance of the players and the results that follow. Not by contracts.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

If the Rangers sign him to a $12.9M AAV they are idiots.

You let him walk if he demands that. You think any other team has the realistic cap space to sign him for that? Maybe, but I guarantee you one thing, that team will not be a legit Stanley cup contender.

Goalies are streaky. You could sign your whole tandem for $12.9M or less.

Then they really need to trade him now. You can’t go into a contract year with a lame duck like him.

And given that they’ve only gotten as far as they have because of Shesterkin, that pretty much tanks next season as a Cup year with a sundowning roster. Tough scene.

 

[Poulin 0n My St1ck]

Round it up and give him $13mill.

 

[McShogun99]

If the Rangers sign him to a $12.9M AAV they are idiots.

You let him walk if he demands that. You think any other team has the realistic cap space to sign him for that? Maybe, but I guarantee you one thing, that team will not be a legit Stanley cup contender.

Goalies are streaky. You could sign your whole tandem for $12.9M or less.

Someone will pay it if he goes UFA next year.

 

[Alex Jones]

He is a great goalie but...from a positional standpoint hard to justify that much money. For me you would pretty much have to be Hasek level to get that much.

 

[Nemec]

Should have won the Conn Smythe

 

[Ruggs225]

Yeah thats im high on crack numberz

Helly, saros, sorokin all signed this year for sub 9. Thats the market. Those are his comps.

He is not 50% better.

 

[SML2]

I cant stress this enough. I don't give a flying f*(!( what Carey Price got. I don't care about the precedent for percentages. Drury didn't sign those contracts and is under no obligation to make the same mistake they did. If you want 13m go find someone else to give it to you. This team shouldn't go north of 10m. I could see him getting 10m in one of these markets with no state tax who swear it's no advantage and nothing that needs to be addressed though. So fing be it. It's too much for a goalie. If it's time to move on, make the hard choice and move on.

 

[Sol]

I think you’re glossing over the point I’m making.

I’ll try to be more clear:

Having the best goalie in the world should be an advantage to your team, but it seems it’s a disadvantage. Hockey games should be valued by the on-ice performance of the players and the results that follow. Not by contracts.

My point is a decent goalie can do the ultimate job a great goalie can do.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

wrong thread delete.

 

[BM14]

If the Rangers sign him to a $12.9M AAV they are idiots.

You let him walk if he demands that. You think any other team has the realistic cap space to sign him for that? Maybe, but I guarantee you one thing, that team will not be a legit Stanley cup contender.

Goalies are streaky. You could sign your whole tandem for $12.9M or less.

Marner out, Shesterkin in.

Would the Leafs be better?

 

[JianYang]

I think by percentage of cap hit, this number still eclipses both price and lundqvist.

Edit: I just realized that they are basing it on their projection for next year. Based on that 92 million figure, I think the percentage of cap hit is right in line with price, and I wonder if thats exactly what they are looking at.

 

[norrisnick]

Perfect example of how the Stats Led Generation has gone bonkers. The greatest athletes of all-time have always been judged on ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT. Winning Championships.

We now have a nice chunk of sports fans who argue for acceptance into the Greatest of All-Time category without earning the key component. To the extent, many fans actually read stats more than they actually watch games now.

Osgood > Hasek confirmed

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Surprised no one has mentioned the quasi-retirement of Benoit Allaire here yet. With the greatest goalie coach of all time (the guy who keeps turning Rangers' 7th round picks into Vezina winners) no longer in that role, I would have to use the last year of this deal to get the biggest sample size of Igor's play without him.

Mind you, I love Igor. I'm just saying the smart move is to wait until next offseason with him, IMO.

Rangers went down this road with Lundqvist and they couldn’t get over the top because paying a goalie that much of the cap requires you to be perfect with every other contract, and that’s really hard to do.

I see this narrative more frequently lately and politely disagree. The bags of cash wasted on aging stars who proceeded to become 40-point players like Nash and Richards was far more dooming to NYR.

 

[jetsforever]

I mean he is a top goalie (top ~4 at least) but that's so high

 

[vtdevils2k]

I mean he is a top goalie (top ~4 at least) but that's so high

It is high, but if they don't sign him, they are aren't close to being good.

Very interested to see where this goes. He deserves his $$$ though

 

[VainGretzky]

Huge mistake if Rangers do this

 

[VainGretzky]

Someone will pay it if he goes UFA next year.

I don't see any team giving him 13 million

 

[Mr Positive]

Goalies have much less value than skaters. The best goalies don’t deserve anything over 7 million IMO. Gone are the days that great goalies win cups. If your skaters are good enough you can win a cup with a decent goalie.

The same could be said for forward or D though. We just saw Florida beat the Oilers, and the Panthers had the top marquee goalie while the Oilers had the edge in top forwards

Imo you need elite talent to win it all. How it is distributed doesn't matter that much

 

[Sol]

The same could be said for forward or D though. We just saw Florida beat the Oilers, and the Panthers had the top marquee goalie while the Oilers had the edge in top forwards

The Oilers had arguably one of the worst goalies in the playoffs and went all the way to game 7 in the playoffs. Panthers top marquee goalie got blown out 2 games while the Oilers pretty much lost because McDavid and Draisaitl were injured and out of gas. Oilers didn't lose due to goaltending. You can argue they lost because their depth didn't pull through.

The days of Lundqvist, Quick, and Price are gone. The top marquee goalie isn't nearly as valuable as they were in the past and the playoffs prove it.

 

[Mr Positive]

The Oilers had arguably one of the worst goalies in the playoffs and went all the way to game 7 in the playoffs. Panthers top marquee goalie got blown out 2 games while the Oilers pretty much lost because McDavid and Draisaitl were injured and out of gas. Oilers didn't lose due to goaltending. You can argue they lost because their depth didn't pull through.

It's awfully convenient when goalies get called interchangeable when they have a few bad performances and yet when forwards and Dmen go through that it is considered normal, and every excuse is given.

 

[Sol]

It's awfully convenient when goalies get called interchangeable when they have a few bad performances and yet when forwards and Dmen go through that it is considered normal, and every excuse is given.

Look at the Rangers they have a very good goalie and their team is nothing with him.

Great goalies are always going to be less valuable than good forwards. Goalies are voodoo for a reason and are highly volatile. The sooner you come to terms with it the more you will understand.