News Article: Shero fired, Fitz interim GM part II
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Emperoreddy
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I can agree with this. It’s too soon to say things definitely were good, bad, or mediocre.
If most of these guys don’t work out then yes it’s a big black stain on Shero and people will be a lot more justified in calling his tenure a failure.
NJDevils17
Going Up?
Prospects are kind of a moot point if you consider the GM is rarely involved outside the 1st and even then... if we don’t want to put that on Shero, that’s fine. But I take issue with the idea that our prospect pool is anything better than okay to average. We haven’t really seen most of our guys taking steps forward. A lot of analysts have a legitimate gripe with our pool right now.
Emperoreddy
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Three and that was before the guy everyone hated we drafted (tyce) exploded to lead the NCAA in goals.
Zajacs Bowl Cut
Lets Go Baby
Do you even pay attention? Its clear what they wanted to do.
They wanted "fast, attacking, supportive". They wanted to thrive in the transition game on their speed.
Everyone has given what their idea of "the plan" was (or should be) except for you.
Shero always stated he wanted identity over systems. Remember Fast Attack and Supportive?
Also, he liked skilled small sized defenders and attempted to build the Penguins. Minus Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Then he spoke about how easy the Devils were to play against.
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Zajacs Bowl Cut
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the thing with these lists is that the Devils get "punished" so to speak for Nico being a very good NHL player already.
As an example, he has Carolina #8 and Necas as #1 for Carolina....he has been in the NHL this whole year. So basically the Devils get "knocked" in these rankings for Hischier being good early if that makes sense.
guitarguyvic
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oh right I forgot about that cringe worthy slogan. You realize that that was just a meaningless set of buzzwords right?
If we adopted a similarly useless cheesy slogan previously it would have been something like “tough defensive team-first”
Lol
I can’t believe you actually trotted that dumb saying out as evidence of a plan.
Zajacs Bowl Cut
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FYI- Pronman ranked the Devils "23 and under" core 12th in the league a few months ago:
Pronman: Ranking NHL teams by their 23 and under core,...
NYR 17th FYI
Pronman: Ranking NHL teams by their 23 and under core,...
NYR 17th FYI
There’s soooo many variables that aren’t being taken into consideration when analyzing the job Shero did in the past 4 1/2 years as our Gm.
He was dealt with a garbage roster, a garbage farm system and a garbage prospect pool. His #1 goaltender went from top #10 to not being able to win a game in a full calendar year!
Despite not getting the results some were expecting, Shero has built a very strong fondation moving forward and whoever we hire to be our full time GM will have multiple assets to work with.
I do think that we need to be smart here and not try to fast track this process. We need to be smart about the contracts we hand out and we need to think about the future without neglecting the present.
I don’t want Brodeur as our next GM, I don’t want Stevens behind the bench nor do I want Elias or any other legend that played for us. We need the best possible options instead of going with the sentimental option.
The last thing we need is to have our team turn into a country club. The Islander landed a proven and respected HC which was a major turnaround to their franchise. We need established people to turn things around. I’m all for giving a chance to certain people but with how young our core will be, we need someone that knows what he’s talking about and has the resume to prove it as well.
Again, I can’t wait to see what will happen at the deadline. It’ll be very telling of where this team is heading and what vision our owners have since they sacked Shero a couple of weeks before one of the biggest dates of the year for a GM, when trying to make your team relevant again.
He was dealt with a garbage roster, a garbage farm system and a garbage prospect pool. His #1 goaltender went from top #10 to not being able to win a game in a full calendar year!
Despite not getting the results some were expecting, Shero has built a very strong fondation moving forward and whoever we hire to be our full time GM will have multiple assets to work with.
I do think that we need to be smart here and not try to fast track this process. We need to be smart about the contracts we hand out and we need to think about the future without neglecting the present.
I don’t want Brodeur as our next GM, I don’t want Stevens behind the bench nor do I want Elias or any other legend that played for us. We need the best possible options instead of going with the sentimental option.
The last thing we need is to have our team turn into a country club. The Islander landed a proven and respected HC which was a major turnaround to their franchise. We need established people to turn things around. I’m all for giving a chance to certain people but with how young our core will be, we need someone that knows what he’s talking about and has the resume to prove it as well.
Again, I can’t wait to see what will happen at the deadline. It’ll be very telling of where this team is heading and what vision our owners have since they sacked Shero a couple of weeks before one of the biggest dates of the year for a GM, when trying to make your team relevant again.
RandoDoomer
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Umm, I don't really get why some people are so hell-bent in their defense of Shero. I was pretty meh on him and now he's gone. It's a done deal. I'm just hoping they pick the right guy to take over.
Serious question -- Were the Shero-fans here perfectly happy with the way this rebuild was going? Everything right on track for Year 5? Ready to ride it out for a few more years with smiles on your faces? The way your heels are dug in with the Shero defense, sounds like the answer is "Yes." Just curious.
Should we expect to see "Bring back Ray!" signs at the Rock?
On the plus side, at least the Devils are in the news again. So we got that going for us, which is nice...
Serious question -- Were the Shero-fans here perfectly happy with the way this rebuild was going? Everything right on track for Year 5? Ready to ride it out for a few more years with smiles on your faces? The way your heels are dug in with the Shero defense, sounds like the answer is "Yes." Just curious.
Should we expect to see "Bring back Ray!" signs at the Rock?
On the plus side, at least the Devils are in the news again. So we got that going for us, which is nice...
'Build from the net out' is similarly inane. 'Build from the net out' Lou says, then Lou/Conte proceed to draft no goalies of consequence for nearly 2 decades, and it's not like they never spent on goaltending even after they had Brodeur.
Umm, I don't really get why some people are so hell-bent in their defense of Shero. I was pretty meh on him and now he's gone. It's a done deal. I'm just hoping they pick the right guy to take over.
Serious question -- Were the Shero-fans here perfectly happy with the way this rebuild was going? Everything right on track for Year 5? Ready to ride it out for a few more years with smiles on your faces? The way your heels are dug in with the Shero defense, sounds like the answer is "Yes." Just curious.
Should we expect to see "Bring back Ray!" signs at the Rock?
On the plus side, at least the Devils are in the news again. So we got that going for us, which is nice...
You're really not very good at this. Of course no one was happy with this season. There are reasons why the Devils spun out this season, some of them created and aided by Shero, some of them largely out of his control. If the Devils' plan is to hire another guy like Shero, they've probably goofed - Shero is, rightly or wrongly, one of the better Hockey Men at this. If the owners' intention is to try to remake the idea of an NHL front office, then I am on board with that concept.
MartyOwns
thank you shero
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dude what are you on about? pronman had us ranked 3rd in the league. sporting news has us at #7 (the year before, they had us at #19) NHL farm system rankings: Best, worst prospect pipelines for 2019-20, from 1 to 31 the hockey writers have us ranked 8th overall: https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/. in fact, im stuggling to find one publication that doesn't have us sitting in the top 10
oh and just for fun, this glorious website had us ranked #30 overall when shero first started here: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team-rankings/fall-team-rankings-2015-16/page/3
if anyone wants to wait until 2060 to finally say shero did a great job drafting, be my guest. i'm pretty confident saying he did a great job right now
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I get it, but to tie it to the thread topic, I can't give Shero too much credit for Nico and Hughes. He deserves some, given both picks weren't a complete no brainer, but if we are grading his drafts, the story is trading 2nd and 3rd rounders instead of using them resulting in a generally weaker pool than what he could have potentially built. So it's "deep" but missing a lot of B prospects that might turn into something greater.
For illustration, the 34th overall pick he used in the Subban trade, that guy today would be possibly our 2nd or 3rd best prospect after Bahl.
billingtons ghost
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That's just pure gold, Jerry. Great analysis that we didn't draft a goalie when we had the most durable, dependable and consistent goalie the world has ever seen.
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I'm talking about the current prospect pool, not the one this summer including Hughes.
billingtons ghost
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This is pretty much foolishness. The problem is that Hughes clouds all 'rankings' so they are pointless. Add him, we're #3. Take him away, we're #25.
The jury is simply still out. Ray did some good things but we won't see their fruit for another 2-5 years.
MartyOwns
thank you shero
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ahhh ok i see now. yes, if you remove our best prospect from the equation, it does get slightly worse. carry on
I know you struggle with facts, but the Devils drafted 2 goalies in the 1st round during Martin Brodeur's prime. That's almost certainly as much or more as any team spent on goaltending from 95 on besides the ridiculous Islanders - and the Devils also drafted goalies lower down too, they drafted goalies in the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th rounds.
They hit on Dunham and Brodeur in the same draft and Chris Mason became a decent goalie long, long after he was a Devils' draft pick. MacKenzie Blackwood isn't a Lou pick, but he was a Conte pick. I did gloss over Scott Clemmensen, who did eventually make it as a backup sort of in his 30s, but that's just not a miss - not really a hit either. Every single other guy they picked in between, over 20 drafts, missed - J.F. Damphousse, Ari Ahonen, Matus Kostur, Jason Smith, Josh Disher, Jeff Frazee, Scott Wedgewood, Maxime Clermont, Anthony Brodeur - they played almost no NHL games between them.
Edmonton East
BUT the ADvaNCEd STatS....fire Fitz
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Woahhhh hold up. Saying Shero was definitively great at drafting is just as stupid as saying he was bad at drafting at this point. Posting rankings heavily influenced by #1 pick(s) doesn't change that lol
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Isn’t that just a matter of semantics? Whether ownership fired Shero or Shero made them fire him? Shero wasn’t going to quit with three years left on his deal. Either way it speaks to different philosophies.
Better Call Sal
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I'm glad I've removed myself from this discussion by and large. My head's spinning just trying to catch up on all of these opinions. 
guitarguyvic
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It’s inane except for the fact Lou did in fact spell out exactly what it meant, then went out and got the greatest goalie of all time, and two HOF defensemen - and for reference, that’s what a real core of players to build around looks like.
No shit they didn’t draft goalies of consequence for two decades...gee I wonder why? When it was obvious that it was becoming a need again, he traded a first round pick to get Marty’s replacement. So I don’t know what you’re talking about.
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