Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

[myleafs]

If that happens we should take a good look at Sullivan

You might want to go check out what the pens fans feel about Sullivan

 

[The Masters]

You might want to go check out what the pens fans feel about Sullivan

what do they say?

 

[ACC1224]

To be honest, why would any reputable coach wanna come here when they see the idiotic way this team is built around 4 relatively soft forwards who take up so much of the cap?

Fame and fortune.

 

[myleafs]

what do they say?

not good things....he has def overstayed his welcome.

 

[rumman]

If I'm Berube and it came down to the Leafs or Jets, I'd have to pick the Jets, city aside...........

 

[rumman]

To be honest, why would any reputable coach wanna come here when they see the idiotic way this team is built around 4 relatively soft forwards who take up so much of the cap?

THIS.

 

[genk]

If I'm Berube and it came down to the Leafs or Jets, I'd have to pick the Jets, city aside...........

Living in Winnipeg is a pretty big deterrent lol

 

[Trapper]

If I'm Berube and it came down to the Leafs or Jets, I'd have to pick the Jets, city aside...........

From what people have said here about Berube, the Jets are way closer to his style than we are.

 

[rumman]

Living in Winnipeg is a pretty big deterrent lol

roger thta, but if your main objective is winning the city shouldn't really matter, besides other than the bone chilling winters and mosquitos, it's just another prairie town..........

From what people have said here about Berube, the Jets are way closer to his style than we are.

yup........

 

[The Masters]

chatting on leafs

 

[rumman]

chatting on leafs

Berube isn't coming here if he's offered the Jets or Devils gig imo............

 

[The Masters]

 

[Tak7]

So like someone who has proven he can turn a team around, mould it into a winner, and then go and actually win the Cup? Hmm, who does that sound like?

He's done nothing since winning the cup - despite having a pretty talented team.

 

[Tak7]

They won the f***ing Cup. It worked there.

Um no, it isn't. The players are not in charge; if they don't listen to their boss and play his way then they can be shipped out for players who will.

So in your world Cup winning coaches aren't good coaches? Got it.

Like his Cup ring? Yeah, why bother paying any attention to that eh?

Randy Carlyle and Mike Babcock both won the cup - but please, let's go ahead and make the same mistakes as we've done in the past.

It's concerning to me that Berube rode a super hot goalie to a cup, and since then has accomplished next to nothing as head coach, which ultimately led to his players completely tuning him out and some of that roster's young players being completely broken into submission.

No part of that sounds like the sort of coach, or personality, that the Leafs need here.

 

[ponder]

If I'm Berube and it came down to the Leafs or Jets, I'd have to pick the Jets, city aside...........

My personal take:

Winnipeg pros

• Less pressure
  • The Jets have been performing much closer to expectations, and there's a lot less media scrutiny in Winnipeg
  • In Toronto you'll be under the microscope from day 1, having to bear the burden from a history of playoff failures before you arrived
• Less career risk
  • It's too early to say what this does to Keefe's career, but for our 3 previous coaches, Wilson, Carlyle and Babs, it was borderline career suicide. Wilson never coached in the NHL again, Carlyle did coach again but not for long, Babs will probably never coach in the NHL again
  • The combination of intense scrutiny and a team that just doesn't seem to perform in the playoffs can destroy your reputation as a coach (obviously with Babs it was his mind-games with players too ... but he behaved the same way in Detroit and it got swept under the rug, the media scrutiny in Toronto amplified the impact a lot IMO)

Toronto pros

• Better compensation
  • We'd probably pay a lot higher than the Jets would, and facilities, perks, etc. would all be better too
• Better (IMO) city
  • Toronto is a much more fun city for you and your family to live in
• Legacy
  • Most coaches are largely forgotten by the hockey world a few years after they retire, only a select few legends stay in people's consciousness. Berube, as things stand, is on the "quickly forgotten" career path, and coaching the Jets is unlikely to change that
  • If he does manage to turn things around and lead the Leafs to their first cup since 1967, he'd be an instant hockey legend. Could be attractive if he cares about his legacy

Could go either way, and I think depends a fair bit on your risk tolerance. The upside with Toronto is very high (hockey legend potential, better compensation, more fun), but there's also high risk of being in a brutally stressful situation that literally ruins your career afterwards.

 

[rumman]

Randy Carlyle and Mike Babcock both won the cup - but please, let's go ahead and make the same mistakes as we've done in the past.

It's concerning to me that Berube rode a super hot goalie to a cup, and since then has accomplished next to nothing as head coach, which ultimately led to his players completely tuning him out and some of that roster's young players being completely broken into submission.

No part of that sounds like the sort of coach, or personality, that the Leafs need here.

so, am I getting this correct, some here would rather have a coach that hasn't won a cup as opposed to a coach who has? If you want success shouldn't your coach have been successful in the past?

My personal take:

Winnipeg pros

• Less pressure
  • The Jets have been performing much closer to expectations, and there's a lot less media scrutiny in Winnipeg
  • In Toronto you'll be under the microscope from day 1, having to bear the burden from a history of playoff failures before you arrived
• Less career risk
  • It's too early to say what this does to Keefe's career, but for our 3 previous coaches, Wilson, Carlyle and Babs, it was borderline career suicide. Wilson never coached in the NHL again, Carlyle did coach again but not for long, Babs will probably never coach in the NHL again
  • The combination of intense scrutiny and a team that just doesn't seem to perform in the playoffs can destroy your reputation as a coach

Toronto pros

• Better compensation
  • We'd probably pay a lot higher than the Jets would, and facilities, perks, etc. would all be better too
• Better (IMO) city
  • Toronto is a much more fun city for you and your family to live in
• Legacy
  • If you do manage to turn things around and lead the Leafs to their first cup since 1967, you'd be an instant hockey legend

Could go either way, and I think depends a fair bit on your risk tolerance. The upside with Toronto is very high (hockey legend potential, better compensation, more fun), but there's also high risk of being in a brutally stressful situation that literally ruins your career afterwards.

his family live in Philly, have for years, so that isn't a issue, and take it from a guy who traveled with work for 30 years, it doesn't matter where you ar if it's not home it sucks........

 

[TheDoldrums]

You might want to go check out what the pens fans feel about Sullivan

Blues fans don't think highly of Berube either. All of these guys worn out their welcome at some point, it's the nature of the gig. Basically everyone in the game but Cooper and Rod are either disliked by their fans or too new and will be disliked by their fans in the future.

 

[Fogelhund]

He's done nothing since winning the cup - despite having a pretty talented team.

Every coach was fired, after whatever winning record they'd previously had. How big is the list of coaches who have quit?

 

[horner]

My personal take:

Winnipeg pros

• Less pressure
  • The Jets have been performing much closer to expectations, and there's a lot less media scrutiny in Winnipeg
  • In Toronto you'll be under the microscope from day 1, having to bear the burden from a history of playoff failures before you arrived
• Less career risk
  • It's too early to say what this does to Keefe's career, but for our 3 previous coaches, Wilson, Carlyle and Babs, it was borderline career suicide. Wilson never coached in the NHL again, Carlyle did coach again but not for long, Babs will probably never coach in the NHL again
  • The combination of intense scrutiny and a team that just doesn't seem to perform in the playoffs can destroy your reputation as a coach (obviously with Babs it was his mind-games with players too ... but he behaved the same way in Detroit and it got swept under the rug, the media scrutiny in Toronto amplified the impact a lot IMO)

Toronto pros

• Better compensation
  • We'd probably pay a lot higher than the Jets would, and facilities, perks, etc. would all be better too
• Better (IMO) city
  • Toronto is a much more fun city for you and your family to live in
• Legacy
  • Most coaches are largely forgotten by the hockey world a few years after they retire, only a select few legends stay in people's consciousness. Berube, as things stand, is on the "quickly forgotten" career path, and coaching the Jets is unlikely to change that
  • If he does manage to turn things around and lead the Leafs to their first cup since 1967, he'd be an instant hockey legend. Could be attractive if he cares about his legacy

Could go either way, and I think depends a fair bit on your risk tolerance. The upside with Toronto is very high (hockey legend potential, better compensation, more fun), but there's also high risk of being in a brutally stressful situation that literally ruins your career afterwards.

If he didn't want the pressure he wouldn't have had a 2nd interview.

 

[notbias]

I don't get why people consider his cup run "magic" or a "fluke".

Does he not get any credit at all for taking over a St. Louis team in last place and coaching them to a cup?

Well, the longer he had the team to teach them his systems, the worse they got.

It is like people claiming Lou is some genius GM with the Islanders, the longer he has the team, the worse they perform.

 

[Kurtz]

Toronto is an absolute cesspool of a city. I know Winnipeg has its fair share of problems, but at the very least it's smaller and more tolerable than a huge megalopolis like Toronto.

If you're a young multi-millionaire, Toronto is pretty great (long winters aside).

 

[The Masters]

Kyper says he knows that Berube's # 1 choice is to coach Philly. Lives there in off-season

 

[thewave]

Kyper says he knows that Berube's # 1 choice is the coach Philly

I think its pretty well known that our organization is a joke. They pay well because they have to convince people to stay. Unlike the Detroit Red Wings of the 90s and 00s or Leafs of the 90s and early 00s under Stavro.

Good owners make a big difference.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think its pretty well known that our organization is a joke. They pay well because they have to convince people to stay. Unlike the Detroit Red Wings of the 90s and 00s or Leafs of the 90s and early 00s under Stavro.

Good owners make a big difference.

I have no idea how this relates to what you quoted, which is that Berube prefers Philly because he lives there

 

[thewave]

I have no idea how this relates to what you quoted, which is that Berube prefers Philly because he lives there

Why would he want to come here if not for a massive overpay. Pretty simple stuff to figure out?