Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe extended 2 years

[Leaf Fans]

I'm sure it's possible, but you likely would get clear consensus that the North was the weakest of the four, and by a wide margin.

No you wouldn't.

 

[Ashdown2]

I'm sure it's possible, but you likely would get clear consensus that the North was the weakest of the four, and by a wide margin.

so you think the division with anaheim, sj, la, pheonix and frankly st louis (who was shit last year) was better than the north ?
minnesota would have finished bottom 3 in the north

 

[Rubyblue]

After watching the leaf special on prime, I'm a fan of Keefe. He preached physicality, tenacity & positive push play all year long. He was hard on them, complimentary & cheered them on at the right times. I was a doubter but after seeing the show, he was spot on in how he tried to get them to play. His vocabulary didn't bother me a bit as that's pro hockey. They'll have to find a way to replace the players that won't play the way he wants so they can actually be a contender. Good coach!

 

[The CyNick]

so you think the division with anaheim, sj, la, pheonix and frankly st louis (who was shit last year) was better than the north ?
minnesota would have finished bottom 3 in the north

Colorado and Vegas were legit Cup contenders and I would say you put Minnesota in the North and they fimish first. So yes.

 

[Ashdown2]

Colorado and Vegas were legit Cup contenders and I would say you put Minnesota in the North and they fimish first. So yes.

ur logic is that a team that finished with less points than the leafs would have more points playing much harder teams .... yeah ok thats some sound logic.

 

[deprw]

Colorado and Vegas were legit Cup contenders and I would say you put Minnesota in the North and they fimish first. So yes.

And even Vegas couldn't do anything against Habs that were 4th in the North. Isn't more logical to predict that Habs would have been 2nd or 1st in that division, so North was way better.

Good god this is stupid when people try to twist every detail against Leafs. Move on. It's new season, this horse is dead already.

 

[zeke]

Colorado and Vegas were legit Cup contenders and I would say you put Minnesota in the North and they fimish first. So yes.

Ah Vegas - the team that has benefitted from playing in an hilariously weak division for its entire existence.

 

[CDN24]

After watching the leaf special on prime, I'm a fan of Keefe. He preached physicality, tenacity & positive push play all year long. He was hard on them, complimentary & cheered them on at the right times. I was a doubter but after seeing the show, he was spot on in how he tried to get them to play. His vocabulary didn't bother me a bit as that's pro hockey. They'll have to find a way to replace the players that won't play the way he wants so they can actually be a contender. Good coach!

My takeaway was Keefe sees most of the problems but seems unable to get them to change. Other than yelling and cursing what did he do to get more out of his team? Yelling and cursing works in the short term but has a short shelf life historically. He also seems unwilling to adjust his player utilization to maximize their strengths and minimize weaknesses. He had 2 of the 3 games he could have clinched with last change. what did he do to minimize the impact Danault/Gallagher were having on that series?

Contrast that to Cooper who used is last change to get Point line out against Suzuki line instead. It negated the Danault advantage and made it near impossible for Mtl to generate offense as their top offensive line (suzuki/ Toffoli/ Caufiels) were stuck playing defense.

 

[The CyNick]

ur logic is that a team that finished with less points than the leafs would have more points playing much harder teams .... yeah ok thats some sound logic.

It's the opposite. Minnesota was in a tougher division. You put them in the North they would have more points due to playing easier competition.

 

[The CyNick]

And even Vegas couldn't do anything against Habs that were 4th in the North. Isn't more logical to predict that Habs would have been 2nd or 1st in that division, so North was way better.

Good god this is stupid when people try to twist every detail against Leafs. Move on. It's new season, this horse is dead already.

The way I see it is the Habs had a much easier time in rd 1 and 2 playing weak teams. Vegas had to wars to get to the 3rd round playing two great teams. That likely made a difference and gave Montreal an advantage.

 

[The CyNick]

Ah Vegas - the team that has benefitted from playing in an hilariously weak division for its entire existence.

Leafs were in the hilariously weak division and fell flat on their face.

Now that they're back in a tough division, let's see how far they go. A lot more people in the media are talking about them being far from a lock to make playoffs.

 

[4thline]

Imagine having such loathing for a team you purportedly support that you make yourself believe that a division with the the 3rd, 4th, and 5th and 10th (though got much worse since that result) worst teams in the league is anything but the weakest in hockey.

 

[Sypher04]

It's the opposite. Minnesota was in a tougher division. You put them in the North they would have more points due to playing easier competition.

there is precisely nothing to support this idea the North was bad, nor is there anything to support your position that minnesota would finish ahead of Toronto last season if they were in the North. You’re welcome to hold that opinion, but it’s not really worth anything

 

[Ashdown2]

It's the opposite. Minnesota was in a tougher division. You put them in the North they would have more points due to playing easier competition.

for the third time ...
how is facing anaheim , sj , pheonix , LA and st louis a harder schedule ? you make no sence. 4 of those teams might be 4 of the 5 worst teams in the league this year.

their schedule is 2 hard teams and a bunch of scrubs ..... this IS NOT A HARDER SCHEDULE.

 

[Sypher04]

Leafs were in the hilariously weak division and fell flat on their face.

Now that they're back in a tough division, let's see how far they go. A lot more people in the media are talking about them being far from a lock to make playoffs.

no one is ever a lock, but assuming relative health it’d be highly unlikely that the leafs miss. Which team from behind them is supposed to leap frog them exactly?

Montreal, Boston and Florida all have plenty of their own issues

 

[Zybalto]

Leafs were in the hilariously weak division and fell flat on their face.

Now that they're back in a tough division, let's see how far they go. A lot more people in the media are talking about them being far from a lock to make playoffs.

Probably a top team in hockey like they have been the last 4 years......and I'm looking forward to them facing the Wild who they owned the last season sweeping them in the two games outscoring them 8-3.

As far as using mainstream hockey media as an argument from authority, you have to remember just how much stuff they get wrong every year. I mean, more people were picking Vancouver to be a great team last year than thinking the Leafs will fail this year when it was obvious from both eye test and analytics the Canucks were a defensive tire fire. The Benning>Dubas poll also showed just how brutal biases were exposed among the supposed intelligent posters around here.

We actually got lucky the divisions were remarkably balanced compared to what they could have been a few years prior when a couple of divisions (including the Canadian) would have been hilariously weak/strong. The West was the worst this year with it's Avs>Vegas>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest of the crap setup but the others were pretty good IMO. Even the worst Canadian team (Vancouver) was still good enough to take out the bottom 4 in the West and their lack of, well, almost everything.

 

[The CyNick]

there is precisely nothing to support this idea the North was bad, nor is there anything to support your position that minnesota would finish ahead of Toronto last season if they were in the North. You’re welcome to hold that opinion, but it’s not really worth anything

I never claimed to have statistical evidence. I think Minnesota was a better team than the Leafs last year. Yes, my opinion. Never claimed anything else. Leafs benefitted from being in an easy division that padded their points. Minnesota played Colorado and Vegas, there were not two teams close to as good as those two teams that the Leafs had to play.

 

[The CyNick]

no one is ever a lock, but assuming relative health it’d be highly unlikely that the leafs miss. Which team from behind them is supposed to leap frog them exactly?

Montreal, Boston and Florida all have plenty of their own issues

Florida, Boston and Montreal could all easily be ahead of the Leafs.

Then there's also the wild card factor. I haven't sat down and went team by team, but Carolina, Wash and Isles feel like safe bets in the Metro. Then you have Philly, Rags and Pitt all with decent chances, but have questions. Columbus and Jersey feel like struggle teams. So if you told me any two of those teams finish ahead of Leafs, I also wouldn't be shocked.

I would put 50-50 odds on Leafs making it.

 

[The CyNick]

Probably a top team in hockey like they have been the last 4 years......and I'm looking forward to them facing the Wild who they owned the last season sweeping them in the two games outscoring them 8-3.

As far as using mainstream hockey media as an argument from authority, you have to remember just how much stuff they get wrong every year. I mean, more people were picking Vancouver to be a great team last year than thinking the Leafs will fail this year when it was obvious from both eye test and analytics the Canucks were a defensive tire fire. The Benning>Dubas poll also showed just how brutal biases were exposed among the supposed intelligent posters around here.

We actually got lucky the divisions were remarkably balanced compared to what they could have been a few years prior when a couple of divisions (including the Canadian) would have been hilariously weak/strong. The West was the worst this year with it's Avs>Vegas>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest of the crap setup but the others were pretty good IMO. Even the worst Canadian team (Vancouver) was still good enough to take out the bottom 4 in the West and their lack of, well, almost everything.

I missed the Leafs-Wild games last season.

The non playoff Canadian teams were horrible. And would have been eaten alive by Minnesota. What I'm learning here is a lot of people didn't watch Wild games last year. I did. They were a very solid team. Could have easily gone to the Finals last year.

 

[Sypher04]

I think any of the Flyers, Rangers, Penguins or Canadiens finishing ahead of the Leafs would be very surprising actually

 

[egd27]

My takeaway was Keefe sees most of the problems but seems unable to get them to change. Other than yelling and cursing what did he do to get more out of his team?

Bingo.

There are a dozen guys posting here that see the problems.....doesn't make them NHL coaches. A successful NHL coach needs to go beyond seeing the problems, he needs to fix them.

 

[The CyNick]

I think any of the Flyers, Rangers, Penguins or Canadiens finishing ahead of the Leafs would be very surprising actually

Habs are maybe the most well rounded team in the East outside of Tampa.

Penguins always seem to find a way in.

Rangers and Flyers are compete wild cards to me.

 

[WinnieThePooh]

Colorado and Vegas were legit Cup contenders and I would say you put Minnesota in the North and they fimish first. So yes.

Remember that time that the Habs, who were lucky to sneak into the playoffs in the North, pummelled the Golden Knights?

Hmm. Your math doesn't check out.

 

[Sypher04]

Habs are maybe the most well rounded team in the East outside of Tampa.

Penguins always seem to find a way in.

Rangers and Flyers are compete wild cards to me.

Montreal was a lousy regular season team that undeservedly snuck into the playoffs 24th in a COVID shortened year. Then undeservedly snuck into the playoffs 18th in another COVID shortened re-aligned year. And they have not improved this off-season

You are in here railing against the Leafs, and saying Minnesota would have finished ahead of us, because our division allegedly was bad, yet Montreal, with all their “well rounded”ness couldn’t muster better than a distant 4th in the same division.

They are not a good team

 

[Gary Nylund]

Florida, Boston and Montreal could all easily be ahead of the Leafs.

Then there's also the wild card factor. I haven't sat down and went team by team, but Carolina, Wash and Isles feel like safe bets in the Metro. Then you have Philly, Rags and Pitt all with decent chances, but have questions. Columbus and Jersey feel like struggle teams. So if you told me any two of those teams finish ahead of Leafs, I also wouldn't be shocked.

I would put 50-50 odds on Leafs making it.

And I wish I could take you up on that for a substantial amount of money. This post of yours is s sad joke.