Shea Theodore Out Until Playoffs

[hangman005]

Why are they remaining on LTIR when they can play through their injuries though? If they're medically cleared to play, which is the only way they'd be allowed to play, even in the PO, they should not be on LTIR. How can you argue that the optics aren't just complete shit in this case?

My suspicion would because players see playoffs as so important, they'll exaggerate how manageable an injury is in order to play. 22/23 If Tkachuk had the injuries he had game 4 and 5 of the SCF. There is no way in hell he is playing regular seasons games., but he played game 4. If Florida won he probably toughs it out and plays game 5, In this hypothetical I don't think anyone would say he should have played those regular season games despite being willing to tough it.

Put another way, lets say 100% is the best a player has ever felt, and lets arbitrarily say 75% in medically cleared play. At game 82 a player may only be at 55% 60%, Lets say by game 1 they are at 60-65% A play would likely be willing suck it any remains nags and niggles so they can get that clearance The player isn't at that level to get medically cleared.... but their willing to say they are. Playoffs are a different beast, who was that Jets player cut his face on a skate, 70+ stitches, game 74 of the regular season, he's probably done for the night, a playoff game, you bet your ass he's coming back.

I'm not saying the opposite is not conceivable, it absolutely is but the narrative they are being held out when healthy makes less sense to me than they are coming back early because playoff. Especially watching Mark Stone vs Dallas, He was so obviously still not ready to be back I feel he hindered more than helped the team.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

My suspicion would because players see playoffs as so important, they'll exaggerate how manageable an injury is in order to play. 22/23 If Tkachuk had the injuries he had game 4 and 5 of the SCF. There is no way in hell he is playing regular seasons games., but he played game 4. If Florida won he probably toughs it out and plays game 5, In this hypothetical I don't think anyone would say he should have played those regular season games despite being willing to tough it.

Put another way, lets say 100% is the best a player has ever felt, and lets arbitrarily say 75% in medically cleared play. At game 82 a player may only be at 55% 60%, Lets say by game 1 they are at 60-65% A play would likely be willing suck it any remains nags and niggles so they can get that clearance The player isn't at that level to get medically cleared.... but their willing to say they are. Playoffs are a different beast, who was that Jets player cut his face on a skate, 70+ stitches, game 74 of the regular season, he's probably done for the night, a playoff game, you bet your ass he's coming back.

I'm not saying the opposite is not conceivable, it absolutely is but the narrative they are being held out when healthy makes less sense to me than they are coming back early because playoff. Especially watching Mark Stone vs Dallas, He was so obviously still not ready to be back I feel he hindered more than helped the team.

If you ask me, you're making a distinction without a difference.

 

[hangman005]

There in lies the issue with it.

No one is arguing that they aren't legit injuries, the problem is that every season they never seem to heal enough until game 1 of the playoffs. That is what people are calling BS on.

Stone for example obviously was still not right, my question on that is then why was he allowed to come back in the first place? There shouldn't be regular season healthy and playoff healthy. If that injury is bad enough to keep you out of regular season games then you have zero business being allowed to play playoff games either. " But its the playoffs " should never be a good enough medical reason.

The Stone example is why anyone arguing NHPLA anything is doing so from a hypocritical point, because apparently the NHLPA is perfectly ok with players who are injured playing when they shouldn't be. If its ok for the NHLPA to let them play hurt, then its not any crazier to expect them to be on the roster ( which is different than playing ) on Game 82.

Well there are few crazy people who have argued that

But you hit the nail on the head, Regular Season Injured Vs Playoff Injured Ideally they shouldn't be thing. That said aside from having some kind of futuristic medical scanner that could 100% impartially determine their fitness to play I'm not sure how you effectively could combat it, that doesn't result in players being disqualified from the P/O's or forcing a player to play injured to play in the PO's

That said there is a little irony in that one of the popular suggestions... barring them from playing the first round, would have actually been more beneficial to us last season.

 

[hangman005]

If you ask me, you're making a distinction without a difference.

I mean I see a massive difference there. but each to their own.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I mean I see a massive difference there. but each to their own.

There's a competitive advantage being gained through dishonesty about injury. Who specifically is to blame - front office or the players - is irrelevant to the larger point.

 

[Kaner9]

hmmmmm wonder who vegas is gonna pick up now?

 

[AvroArrow]

Again, Stone came back EARLY. LOL

Get it straight, please. The need to cling to that narrative dips credibility.

Clueless or just straight up coping lol, it's clear cap circumvention. This is what now, the 4th time you guys will be doing this ?



Stone was put on LTIR

Vegas acquired more players with the cap relief from putting him on LTIR

They activated him when the playoffs started, aka circumvented the cap

We all know the reason he didn't come back in game 82, because they'd have to make roster adjustments and lose multiple players. There's no way you're actually that oblivious to how this all works, just refusing to acknowledge that your team repeatedly abuses this loophole.

There's no way you actually believe that Mark Stone wasn't medically cleared for game 82, but magically medically cleared for game 1 of the playoffs just a couple days later.

Now Theodore is being put on LTIR until the playoffs, let me guess he'll be magically ready for game 1 too but miss game 82 right ?

 

[Tryamw]

People will take our IOU's and our IOU's on IOU's and they'll be happy

Is the value add a subscription to your OF?

 

[WhataKnight]

Clueless or just straight up coping lol, it's clear cap circumvention. This is what now, the 4th time you guys will be doing this ?



Stone was put on LTIR

Vegas acquired more players with the cap relief from putting him on LTIR

They activated him when the playoffs started, aka circumvented the cap

We all know the reason he didn't come back in game 82, because they'd have to make roster adjustments and lose multiple players. There's no way you're actually that oblivious to how this all works, just refusing to acknowledge that your team repeatedly abuses this loophole.

There's no way you actually believe that Mark Stone wasn't medically cleared for game 82, but magically medically cleared for game 1 of the playoffs just a couple days later.

Now Theodore is being put on LTIR until the playoffs, let me guess he'll be magically ready for game 1 too but miss game 82 right ?

Gaslight someone else, man - just save it. Free rent in a space I don’t want to be.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Crazy lmao. I mean it’s pretty shameless but they’re allowed to… and if you win then who cares I guess.

 

[HolyGhost]

and come playoffs he is back game one of the playoffs he back at 110% SHOCKING I TELL YA

 

[AvroArrow]

Gaslight someone else, man - just save it. Free rent in a space I don’t want to be.

Gaslight ? Lmao who's lying here , did you guys not put Stone on LTIR what 3 times in a row? And have him magically healthy for the playoffs every single time.

You're in denial, probably because there's a major asterisk next to the cup win, like the Astros world series.

Keep living in your fantasy land, but in the real world everyone recognizes what's happening and it's pathetic.

 

[WhataKnight]

Gaslight ? Lmao who's lying here , did you guys not put Stone on LTIR what 3 times in a row? And have him magically healthy for the playoffs every single time.

You're in denial, probably because there's a major asterisk next to the cup win, like the Astros world series.

Keep living in your fantasy land, but in the real world everyone recognizes what's happening and it's pathetic.

Current population of Fantasy land is you, friendo.

A good chunk of your argument sounds based on Stone being fine to come back before the season ended when anyone unbiased that watched that series recalls Stone looking far from 100%.

HE WAS NOT HEALTHY LAST YEAR despite you swearing up and down he was, and it was already seconded by someone else who actually watches Knights hockey.

Quit the fiction…LOL….please?

 

[K1984]

None of us are medical experts. How do you know they are even 100% healthy by the time playoffs happen... Just cause one plays doesn't mean he's 100% HEALTHY. Players play in playoffs hurt a lot.

This whole idea of "fixing" something is stupid... Fans would be pissed if its their star player that has to be miss the entire playoffs cause of an long term injury in which has a "timeline" of being healthy again by the time playoffs start. DO you think oiler fans would be happy if that was mcdaivid that has to miss the entire playoffs over a injury that cost him most of the season? Again union would NEVER approve restricting the players from being able to play.

I’m sorry that you’re so obtuse that you truly believe that three years in a row each player was 100% truly injured for game 82, but not for Game 1.

 

[Duder54]

According to 32 Thoughts. Kelly McCrimmon about to get in his bag.

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You can't make this stuff up.

 

[WhataKnight]

I’m sorry that you’re so obtuse that you truly believe that three years in a row each player was 100% truly injured for game 82, but not for Game 1.

No one is saying that they were 100% injured for game 82 and fine a week later.

I’ll say it loud for those in the back who didn’t hear the first time…..

Stone AND Hertl came back EARLY from injuries last year, so how can they be fine and circumventing rules when they’re rushing back to play when visibly not 100%?

(Answer: only in the narratives of those who *need* the Knights to be perennial cheaters every time there’s a valid injury.)

 

[WhataKnight]

Next thing you know a tidal wave of butt-unguent will claim Shea Theodore either didn’t hurt his wrist or took that hit wonkily on purpose.

 

[gstommylee]

Clueless or just straight up coping lol, it's clear cap circumvention. This is what now, the 4th time you guys will be doing this ?



Stone was put on LTIR

Vegas acquired more players with the cap relief from putting him on LTIR

They activated him when the playoffs started, aka circumvented the cap

We all know the reason he didn't come back in game 82, because they'd have to make roster adjustments and lose multiple players. There's no way you're actually that oblivious to how this all works, just refusing to acknowledge that your team repeatedly abuses this loophole.

There's no way you actually believe that Mark Stone wasn't medically cleared for game 82, but magically medically cleared for game 1 of the playoffs just a couple days later.

Now Theodore is being put on LTIR until the playoffs, let me guess he'll be magically ready for game 1 too but miss game 82 right ?

there is no circumventing the cap when the salary cap ONLY APPLIES for the regular season NOT playoffs. and good luck convincing the union as to why the cap should apply for playoffs.

 

[WhataKnight]

there is no circumventing the cap when the salary cap ONLY APPLIES for the regular season NOT playoffs. and good luck convincing the union as to why the cap should apply for playoffs.

^ This. And also - just so it doesn’t get buried:

Frankly I'd say he was sub 50% aside from being in the right spot to get a couple of tips he was a liability. I know I was thinking towards the end, that a completely unproven in the playoffs Dorofeyev couldn't be any worse.

If the only people insisting Stone was *magically 100* when the Playoffs started have a hard on against the Knights and/or struggle to keep the air in their argument when the only thing not popping that balloon is revisionist history.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Truly can not believe that this just keeps happening.

 

[kilowatt]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your GM isn't cheating by abusing the LTIR loophole, it's just being a bad GM.

At this point I agree

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Truly can not believe that this just keeps happening.

...wouldn't if it wasn't what they want to happen...as long as Money-People are in charge of the NHL, it's gonna stay this way...

 

[Dumais]

How to desperately keep your cup window open, even though the window won't stay up.

 

[Voight]

Honestly I'm surprised the NHL wants to do the next World Cup mid season. Injuries suffered at that point can carry into the playoffs and if a guy like McDavid, Hughes or Matthews gets hurt during it and is out for an extend Xperia dot time, teams won't be happy.

Should just do it at the end of summer like they always have, at least then if a guy gets hurt bad they will likely be back during the season and not at risk of missing playoff games.

 

[K1984]

No one is saying that they were 100% injured for game 82 and fine a week later.

I’ll say it loud for those in the back who didn’t hear the first time…..

Stone AND Hertl came back EARLY from injuries last year, so how can they be fine and circumventing rules when they’re rushing back to play when visibly not 100%?

(Answer: only in the narratives of those who *need* the Knights to be perennial cheaters every time there’s a valid injury.)

Cool, what about the other times players managed to un-LTIR themselves for Game 1?

When it happens every single year, and a “week to week” diagnosis is all of a sudden flipped to “out until playoffs,” the plausible deniability starts to wash away.

Pietrangelo appears to be the next guy telegraphed for LTIR.