Shea Theodore Out Until Playoffs

[zar]

Absolute shocker.

There are two things we can count on every April. Taxes being due and a miraculous recovery from a Vegas Golden Cheat player(s).

 

[AvroArrow]

Tell that to others in here.

I’d still like to know which players chose their own time to come off LTIR.

If it’s something to accuse Vegas players of, examples help.

Best of luck in the gold medal game Mark, we're gonna need maximum effort and discipline to bring the gold to Canada. Really looking forward to the rematch.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I can see now why players decline invitations because they don't want to risk injury.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Can the Sens get their 1st round pick back now?

 

[TheNewEra]

Can the Sens get their 1st round pick back now?

just for asking we are going to lose another because the gm will whine again

so thanks

 

[DuklaNation]

Income taxes have a ton of rules to cover loopholes people take advantage of over time. What is Bettman's problem here? He's either stupid or intentionally allowing it.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your GM isn't cheating by abusing the LTIR loophole, it's just being a bad GM.

Avs GM tried but couldn't understand the instructions. Instead Nuke got a drug addiction going in and out of the lineup and Landy forgot to come back from his playoff LTIR assignment.

No wonder they can't repeat their cup run.

 

[soothsayer]

All injured players will be back playing for Vegas in a week or two after the GM has to tell the owner no one wants to trade their stars for bottle caps and McCrimmon's belly button lint. Eventually, their business model was going to catch up with them and they were going to run out of assets.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

McCrimmon's belly button lint

Ewww. That's gonna require them to attach a 1st

 

[hangman005]

All injured players will be back playing for Vegas in a week or two after the GM has to tell the owner no one wants to trade their stars for bottle caps and McCrimmon's belly button lint. Eventually, their business model was going to catch up with them and they were going to run out of assets.

Ewww. That's gonna require them to attach a 1st

Look something tells me if Pierre McGuire were a GM he's be all over McCrimmon's belly button lint in a trade.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Reading these comments, people's ethics are in the gutter nowadays.

Ethics don't matter in pro sports.

If they did Jon Jones would not be the UFC heavyweight Champion right now because Jon Jones would not be in the UFC because he is without question a piece of shit human being.

Michael Vick would have been banned from the NFL.

Antonio Brown would have been gone from the NFL YEARS before he was.

Ty Cob would not be in the MLB hall of fame.

Ethics don't mean shit in pro sports, they never have and they never will.

You don't have to like that but you do have to accept it because it is reality.

So change the rules: If a player is on LTIR within 30 days before the first day of the playoffs they are ineligible to return until the 2nd round.

Will teams abuse it...probably. But they'll really have to think about it now (to say nothing about the player who is ok with taking time off in the regular season but wants to be there in the playoffs)

That would change absolutely nothing

 

[LaP]

I don't see the issue, Vegas isn't breaking any rules.

If the players are not injured enough to prevent them to play and would normally play but behind closed doors agreed to stay home for a few weeks to help the team win a cup then they are definilly doing something illegal. Would be hard to prove for the NHL though but they could still easily close this potential loophole by applying the cap in playoffs.

Ethics don't matter in pro sports.

If they did Jon Jones would not be the UFC heavyweight Champion right now because Jon Jones would not be in the UFC because he is without question a piece of shit human being.

Michael Vick would have been banned from the NFL.

Antonio Brown would have been gone from the NFL YEARS before he was.

Ty Cob would not be in the MLB hall of fame.

Ethics don't mean shit in pro sports, they never have and they never will.

You don't have to like that but you do have to accept it because it is reality.



That would change absolutely nothing

Etics always matter.

 

[Saskatoon]

I enjoy the Vegas LTIR meme and laugh at it

But in reality the year they won the cup they weren't violators so meh

 

[Rec T]

That would change absolutely nothing

Sure it would. You might be able to convince a veteran player under the current rules that 'getting hurt' & resting up for a month+ before the playoffs is a good thing (the teams wanting to do this are probably already comfortably heading for a playoff slot). But there's no way that you're convincing a hyper competitive player (which this mystery player most assuredly is if he's made it this far in his career as a star (presuming that a star's cap hit are the only ones that make circumvention worthwhile & not just a 4th line plug willing to do anything to stay in the league)) that skipping the first round of the playoffs makes sense on a personal level. Especially if the prohibition also restricts them from practicing with the team until then (with the trainers is fine, that's part of rehab). But missing an entire round with no guarantee that their team actually moves on & then having to come back rusty for probably half of the next round. Not going to happen.

If a player was genuinely hurt & that was the only way back...they'd suck it up & deal with it.

But no player will sit out the first round just to give the ability for the team to bring in another player (potentially one who could take 'his' job if he did well enough), especially on the (presumably) 2nd half of their career (where long term medical issues are far more believable) where there's no guarantee that the team will even make the playoffs in following seasons. This may be his last bite at the apple.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your GM isn't cheating by abusing the LTIR loophole, it's just being a bad GM.

My only rule change id have. Is a player who is signed on a long term deal must play 1 game of the regular season with minimum 10 minutes to play in the playoffs.

Avoid a team using LTIR all year to fit in extra players.

Landeskog for example if he comes back or Kucherov a few years ago.

But yes the loophole exists and GMs everywhere should be using it.

 

[AvsGuy]

Fkin Vegas fans man

No one hates Vegas for exploiting a loophole and "playing by the rules"

EVERYONE HATES VEGAS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FKING OBVIOUSLY LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT THE NATURE OF THESE INJURIES AND WHEN THEIR PLAYERS WILL BE RECOVERED BY

But yes, go ahead and tell the team that went 16-4 without any loopholes just how winning should happen

 

[bossram]

Fkin Vegas fans man

No one hates Vegas for exploiting a loophole and "playing by the rules"

EVERYONE HATES VEGAS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FKING OBVIOUSLY LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT THE NATURE OF THESE INJURIES AND WHEN THEIR PLAYERS WILL BE RECOVERED BY

But yes, go ahead and tell the team that went 16-4 without any loopholes just how winning should happen

How do you know they're lying?

It's up the NHL to audit the severity of the injuries. TB did the same with Kucherov. CHI did with Kane.

If the other teams think Vegas is cheating the LTIR system, they should implore the NHL to investigate. That they don't/haven't is pretty telling: Either they don't think Vegas is cheating, or they don't want the NHL to investigate because they also want to leverage LTIR when the opportunity arises.

 

[Oddbob]

This will now be his 3rd season in a row in the 47-55 game range, making him the new Mark Stone. Wouldn't call them out, but how is it that they just happen to lose a big money player at the deadline every year? Too many times in short succession for them not to be asking some guys to go to LTIR.

How do you know they're lying?

It's up the NHL to audit the severity of the injuries. TB did the same with Kucherov. CHI did with Kane.

If the other teams think Vegas is cheating the LTIR system, they should implore the NHL to investigate. That they don't/haven't is pretty telling: Either they don't think Vegas is cheating, or they don't want the NHL to investigate because they also want to leverage LTIR when the opportunity arises.

No other team loses a big money player at the deadline every year. It is too many times in such a short team history. If some of them at least only got hurt after the deadline, nobody would question it, but every year at the deadline, they magically lose a player of high value, allowing them to add another high value player.

 

[bossram]

This will now be his 3rd season in a row in the 47-55 game range, making him the new Mark Stone. Wouldn't call them out, but how is it that they just happen to lose a big money player at the deadline every year? Too many times in short succession for them not to be asking some guys to go to LTIR.

No other team loses a big money player at the deadline every year. It is too many times in such a short team history. If some of them at least only got hurt after the deadline, nobody would question it, but every year at the deadline, they magically lose a player of high value, allowing them to add another high value player.

So Vegas schemed all along to have Theodore get injured at the 4 Nations? This is your new theory?

Again, if Vegas is so obviously cheating, why is no one else in the league taking issue? And if it's so easy to cheat, why isn't every team in playoff contention having players fake injuries? Why doesn't your team do it?

 

[Oddbob]

So Vegas schemed all along to have Theodore get injured at the 4 Nations? This is your new theory?

Again, if Vegas is so obviously cheating, why is no one else in the league taking issue? And if it's so easy to cheat, why isn't every team in playoff contention having players fake injuries? Why doesn't your team do it?

What you do you mean my new theory?

 

[Leafs87]

That’s an oddly particular return date

 

[Stephen]

If I know anything about this storyline, Mikko Rantanen will be a Golden Knight by the deadline.

 

[Vegan Knight]

If I know anything about this storyline, Mikko Rantanen will be a Golden Knight by the deadline.

I don't know that Friedman actually said he would be out, did he? And wouldn't it be Canadian doctors looking at him though I'm sure Vegas doctors have been able to see him as well.

Friedman said he thought Vegas would go for Schenn from the Blues like a week ago so I don't actually think it's going to be as big ticket as people are surely whining about. I'm guessing two veteran forwards who play the way Cassidy wants and who can chip in some goals to help Vegas scoring by committee setup. I would be surprised at a superstar scorer.

 

[CashMash]

"It's not breaking the rules if the loophole exists, you'd be stupid *not* to exploit it."

It is certainly breaking the spirit of the rules. Fans pay money to see players play. Also, it still relies on fortuitous circumstances and a medical team willing to play ball. Besides, if the team is listing a player eligible to play as injured, I'm pretty sure they are breaking a rule.

And no, I'm not saying the players didn't get injured. I am saying they are playing fast and loose with the timeline. Of course, a player shouldn't be rushed back, but this is an obvious pattern already.

 

[Voight]

My suspicion would because players see playoffs as so important, they'll exaggerate how manageable an injury is in order to play. 22/23 If Tkachuk had the injuries he had game 4 and 5 of the SCF. There is no way in hell he is playing regular seasons games., but he played game 4. If Florida won he probably toughs it out and plays game 5, In this hypothetical I don't think anyone would say he should have played those regular season games despite being willing to tough it.

Put another way, lets say 100% is the best a player has ever felt, and lets arbitrarily say 75% in medically cleared play. At game 82 a player may only be at 55% 60%, Lets say by game 1 they are at 60-65% A play would likely be willing suck it any remains nags and niggles so they can get that clearance The player isn't at that level to get medically cleared.... but their willing to say they are. Playoffs are a different beast, who was that Jets player cut his face on a skate, 70+ stitches, game 74 of the regular season, he's probably done for the night, a playoff game, you bet your ass he's coming back.

I'm not saying the opposite is not conceivable, it absolutely is but the narrative they are being held out when healthy makes less sense to me than they are coming back early because playoff. Especially watching Mark Stone vs Dallas, He was so obviously still not ready to be back I feel he hindered more than helped the team.

This is exactly it. Players are willing to put their bodies through more pain during the playoffs compared to the regular season, especially if their team is already locked into a playoff spot and the last week or so of games doesn't mean much.