Speculation: Shattenkirk

[bleedblue1223]

Agreed from this Devils fan. 2018 first rounder, 2017 2nd, Joe Blandisi for Shattenkirk.
Then sign Shattenkirk 6-8 years at 6.5 million per.

Blues pass.

 

[Whitsmith803]

Shattenkirk is RHD while Yandle is a LHD- plus Shattenkirk is a year younger and has shown more promise defensively than Yandle.

I believe the Blues will get a big return and makes me think it will be a three way deal.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

From NJ I would offer:

2018 1st
2017 2nd
Mid Tier Prospect (Blandisi)

When you compare that to the Rangers package for Yandle, its in-line, because having to wiat a year for the 1st and the step down in players involved are relative to the difference in term left on the main piece's deal.

Yandle had 2 years left under contract and Shatt has only 1.

If STL can beat that, God Bless.

If STL can't beat that nonsense they keep Shatty for a year and another run at the cup. People seem to forget teams don't have leverage on STL here. Shattenkirk isn't asking to be traded. The Blues aren't over the cap.

Shattenkirk is a very good player and a player that the league is gravitating towards. It's not even out of the question that they re-sign him after next year. It just complicates other needs.

 

[ghdi]

If STL can't beat that nonsense they keep Shatty for a year and another run at the cup. People seem to forget teams don't have leverage on STL here. Shattenkirk isn't asking to be traded. The Blues aren't over the cap.

Shattenkirk is a very good player and a player that the league is gravitating towards. It's not even out of the question that they re-sign him after next year. It just complicates other needs.

Im all good with St. Louis holding on to him and potentially losing him for nothing or just getting a mid-round pick for his rights if they decide not to re-sign him and chasing after him then. The catalyst for wanting to move on him now would only be to prevent the Rangers (or any Metro team) from getting him. If he went to Boston, I'd care less. I also think he's perfect for our system, but not at the cost that some Blues' fans think they're going to get. We are in no hurry. We're not cup contenders and even with him we still are better waiting than giving up a potentially major piece.

No one is going to be bent over in trade for a guy who can walk in a year. His suitors are limited today with pieces falling into place, cap space being eaten, and an expansion draft to worry about + the deal he's going to get. There's been so much ridiculous in terms of Blues' fans expectations around here that its hard to take seriously espc when teams like the Lightning and Panthers are mentioned as landing spots. You are more likely going to be unhappy with a Shattenkirk return if hes moved. The value will not be there if he's not moved before this season begins and those possibilities are limited to begin with espc if hes set on going east.

 

[wintersej]

I can't decide if the NYR are more or less likely to be in on Shattenkirk now.

 

[Trxjw]

I can't decide if the NYR are more or less likely to be in on Shattenkirk now.

Easier to take on his contract, but the pieces that would be available probably haven't changed. Replaced one top-six center with a cheaper one who plays a different style -- a style which we needed badly. Still unlikely one is on the block for a defender.

 

[a tribe cq]

I can't decide if the NYR are more or less likely to be in on Shattenkirk now.

More I'd say.

Especially because in the presser today, Gorton stated 'this give us the potential opportunity to take on a bigger contract this summer.'

It's definitely going to be on the back end and Shattenkirk fits the criteria of needs, as well as just having his name out there as avail.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I can't decide if the NYR are more or less likely to be in on Shattenkirk now.

Probably no impact, but having Girardi and Staal on NMC's, which I believe they are, they sort of put themselves into a corner with a Shattenkirk trade, unless they'd prefer to protect 4 defensemen.

 

[Extra Texture]

I would really like the Oil to get Shattenkirk, but I'm under no illusions that the Oilers can sign him to an extension unless the team does a 180 and suddenly enjoys success next season.

It would be a calculated risk to trade for him in he hope that they turn it around, but it might be a clever idea for the oilers.

Because of his contract obviously Shattenkirk isn't going to command a big return, thus probably wouldn't cost the oilers someone like RNH or EberleEberle. Then, if KS arrives, the the Oilers show clear signs of improvement they can promise him a big deal in the summer, let expansion come and go protecting their other guys, then ink him to be part of the team long term.

Of course if it goes badly or the Oilers are still bad, or he hates it in Edmonton, they will lose him. But if things look particularly hopeless by the spring they could always ship him at the deadline for something

 

[SirPaste]

It would be a calculated risk to trade for him in he hope that they turn it around, but it might be a clever idea for the oilers.

Because of his contract obviously Shattenkirk isn't going to command a big return, thus probably wouldn't cost the oilers someone like RNH or EberleEberle. Then, if KS arrives, the the Oilers show clear signs of improvement they can promise him a big deal in the summer, let expansion come and go protecting their other guys, then ink him to be part of the team long term.

Of course if it goes badly or the Oilers are still bad, or he hates it in Edmonton, they will lose him. But if things look particularly hopeless by the spring they could always ship him at the deadline for something

Shattenkirk already said he has no desire to sign in Edmonton which is why a trade didn't happen

 

[Extra Texture]

Shattenkirk already said he has no desire to sign in Edmonton which is why a trade didn't happen

Ahh didn't know that. That obviously scuppers that.

Still, unless he is settled on being close to home, that's kind of a myopic view from him. Lucic signed with Edmonton in part because their future is bright. If they make that playoffs this year, with McDavid, Drai, Larsson all blow the doors off and they take a huge step toward contention, is he still gonna feel the same in 12 months?

 

[wintersej]

Ahh didn't know that. That obviously scuppers that.

Still, unless he is settled on being close to home, that's kind of a myopic view from him. Lucic signed with Edmonton in part because their future is bright. If they make that playoffs this year, with McDavid, Drai, Larsson all blow the doors off and they take a huge step toward contention, is he still gonna feel the same in 12 months?

Perhaps EDM could change his mind, but I find it very unlikely the team taking the most risk in dealing for Shattenkirk would also be the team with the best offer.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

What would a deal look like if Oilers would acquire him now? yes not including an extension put in place... obviously acquiring him with an extension in place would require Oilers to give up a hefty package, but what about a trade now?

I truly think Oilers could convince him to sign long term if they had the full year to show what they got cause IMO if Oilers had Shatty, they would be damn scarey

 

[Dbrownss]

God...if the Blues sent Shattenkirk to Edmonton for pennies on the dollar and they convinced him to resign........ that would be very Bluesy, knowing we could have had Hall.

 

[135ace]

Zajac (1.25Mil retained) + 2017 2nd for Shattenkirk. I think this works nicely for both teams.

 

[Evocable Manager]

Zajac (1.25Mil retained) + 2017 2nd for Shattenkirk. I think this works nicely for both teams.

Good lord does is not work for both teams.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Blues pass.

Blues can watch him walk for nothing then.

 

[Section32]

Any idea if the Blues would allow a potential team to talk to his agent and see if they could get a contract agreed upon before a trade?

Have they done this before?

 

[bluetuned]

Any idea if the Blues would allow a potential team to talk to his agent and see if they could get a contract agreed upon before a trade?

Have they done this before?

It's been reported that the Blues are allowing this.

 

[KirkOut]

Blues can watch him walk for nothing then.

After playing on our team during a cup contending year. Oh the horror.

 

[Evocable Manager]

After playing on our team during a cup contending year. Oh the horror.

Well to be fair, seeing as were taking a step to solidify our future, I think it'd be in our best interest to trade Shattenkirk for futures. Blandisi+'18 1st+'17 2nd certainly isn't the deal I take, but to keep Shattenkirk and for him here to walk definitely isn't ideal considering the moves made.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I could see a 3 way deal involving Edmonton, if Shatty won't resign in Edmonton, they could still end up getting a defenceman in a deal with another team that needs to clear salary or roster spots to make a deal work.

 

[Note Worthy]

Blues can watch him walk for nothing then.

Good point. if Blues fans don't want some hypothetical trade proposal then Shattenkirk can just walk!

 

[Majorityof1]

Zajac (1.25Mil retained) + 2017 2nd for Shattenkirk. I think this works nicely for both teams.

Jesus this is bad. I want the Blues to trade Shattenkirk for whatever they can get. I absolutely do not want to see him walk for nothing. That said, I'd definitely let him walk over that package. I wouldn't trade future considerations for Zajac and a second. Even retained, that contract is going to be bad in a few years, if not already. That is a negative package, and we already have a overpaid 40 point center of our own I'd like to dump in Lehtera.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Three-way, you say? Why, Fowler-Shattenkirk-Tatar+Svechnikov was my suggestion, but what would be the three-way deal that gets Fowler or Barrie to EDM?

I'll take a wack.


Shattenkirk, un-signed+Jaskin


Eberle


Fowler

OR, let's just go for gold.


Shattenkirk, un-signed, conditional 1st, conditional 2nd, Lehtera/Berglund+Jaskin


Eberle


RNH
Fowler