Value of: Shattenkirk to NYR

[VoluntaryDom]

JT Miller, but don't know if Rangers would do that. I would do it from both sides though. Throw in salary to STL, maybe Klein?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Rangers Trade Klein to EDM for a late 1st. Stacking up their D.

Rangers use cap space to sign Shattenkirk as a free agent.

They don't need to pay a premium for him, just a contract.

Klein is not worth a 1st. A 3rd is fair, but at his cap hit, he has very little value.

 

[WesMcCauley]

How about Shatty+Jordan Schmaltz for Stepan.
I mean i hate trading Stepan. If we trade him our center depth is bad again. We have very good center depth now, would suck to throw that away when we can possibly sign Shatty in the summer.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

So you asked for Krejci and didn't get that, okay.

Also, while Krejci has put up very slightly better number the past 2 years he is 30 years old and signed at 7.25 till he is 34. Whereas Stepan is 26 and signed through his prime till age 30 at 6.5 per year. Stepan will be better the next 4 years and is cheaper and younger. So you asked for someone with less value and didn't get it. Good talk.

Agree. Stepan is about even skill-wise to Krejci, IMO, and is both a. younger and b. has a better contract.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

How about Shatty+Jordan Schmaltz for Stepan.
I mean i hate trading Stepan. If we trade him our center depth is bad again. We have very good center depth now, would suck to throw that away when we can possibly sign Shatty in the summer.

Doubt that STL would be willing to lose Schmaltz.

 

[WesMcCauley]

JT Miller, but don't know if Rangers would do that. I would do it from both sides though. Throw in salary to STL, maybe Klein?

Klein isnt a salary dump.... He is a solid player who makes 2,9 a season.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Doubt that STL would be willing to lose Schmaltz.

Schmaltz is most likely Shattys replacement, i cant see us moving both.

 

[Dbrownss]

ballpark, moving Stepan = $ for Shatty
we need to move Stepan if we get the right return




I was hoping to get a better idea from you guys
PRELIMINARY based on someone saying something like
Rattie or acceptable prospect
2 Blues 2nds
+ Shatty unextended
for
Stepan
2 Ranger 3rds

something like that




Gordon and I are alike in this way, we agree, keep the youngest core, move young vets
Hayes and Miller are not available, at least not before their time
It is Stepan's time'
he IS available

Stepan and Shattenkirk are ballpark close already as to cap
small piece = match

Yea I'd do Shattenkirk+Rattie for Stepan+picks.

We could move salary i guess, unless you guys wanted Yakupov instead. Hitch hates him already

How about Shatty+Jordan Schmaltz for Stepan.
I mean i hate trading Stepan. If we trade him our center depth is bad again. We have very good center depth now, would suck to throw that away when we can possibly sign Shatty in the summer.

value wise I'd be ok, but as the previous poster said, he's kind of our Shattenkirk replacment. If that was the deal...i wouldn't be too upset.

 

[bernmeister]

JT Miller, but don't know if Rangers would do that. I would do it from both sides though. Throw in salary to STL, maybe Klein?

Miller is total non starter

Klein is not worth a 1st. A 3rd is fair, but at his cap hit, he has very little value.

Klein is totally worth a 1st, esp a late 1st
we likely have to move him rather than lose for nothing, but we are holding off

How about Shatty+Jordan Schmaltz for Stepan.
I mean i hate trading Stepan. If we trade him our center depth is bad again. We have very good center depth now, would suck to throw that away when we can possibly sign Shatty in the summer.

congrats on finally showing an open mind!
maybe now you will not condemn my posts so quickly like a reflex action

Schmaltz is most likely Shattys replacement, i cant see us moving both.

Yea I'd do Shattenkirk+Rattie for Stepan+picks.

We could move salary i guess, unless you guys wanted Yakupov instead. Hitch hates him already

value wise I'd be ok, but as the previous poster said, he's kind of our Shattenkirk replacment. If that was the deal...i wouldn't be too upset.

Congrats, we have an agreement in principle
we just need to work out the secondary pieces

we then have to be sure there are no better offers for expiring Shatty and Stepan, but while that is conceivable, I think the right variation on our deal gets done

so the accepted proposal is
Rattie or acceptable prospect
2 Blues 2nds
+ Shatty unextended
for
Stepan
2 Ranger 3rds

if we swap Schmaltz for Rattie, how does that effect the balance of the equation?

how about if Rangers add Klein?

pls advise

 

[Dbrownss]

Miller is total non starter


Klein is totally worth a 1st, esp a late 1st
we likely have to move him rather than lose for nothing, but we are holding off




congrats on finally showing an open mind!
maybe now you will not condemn my posts so quickly like a reflex action






Congrats, we have an agreement in principle
we just need to work out the secondary pieces

we then have to be sure there are no better offers for expiring Shatty and Stepan, but while that is conceivable, I think the right variation on our deal gets done

so the accepted proposal is
Rattie or acceptable prospect
2 Blues 2nds
+ Shatty unextended
for
Stepan
2 Ranger 3rds

if we swap Schmaltz for Rattie, how does that effect the balance of the equation?

how about if Rangers add Klein?

pls advise

In personally too lazy to see what picks we have..we have conditions on our picks usually, but in principle, i would be happy with your proposal.


I know little about Klein, rarely pay attention to him when we play the Rangers. Would most likely pass as we're already going to have trouble making the base deal work considering Stepan's salary

 

[Spektre]

Stepan + Klein = $9,400,000.

There's no way that works if the deal is Shattenkirk + Rattie or Schmaltz.

If the desire was Shattenkirk + Schmaltz for Stepan the Blues shouldn't be adding 2 2nds for 2 3rds. I wouldn't be opposed to a Shattenkirk + Schmaltz deal but not with the current suggested details.

 

[Machinehead]

Screw AV

I agree 1000%

But until Gorton says "Screw AV" it kind of matters what he thinks.

 

[bernmeister]

Stepan + Klein = $9,400,000.

There's no way that works if the deal is Shattenkirk + Rattie or Schmaltz.

If the desire was Shattenkirk + Schmaltz for Stepan the Blues shouldn't be adding 2 2nds for 2 3rds. I wouldn't be opposed to a Shattenkirk + Schmaltz deal but not with the current suggested details.

agreed, the picks were intended for Rattie + not Schmaltz
if Schmaltz is substituted for Rattie, what is fair, and best fit for cap?

Are you saying 2 for 1 no picks is good with you?

Edit: just checked
shatty is 4.25 + Schmaltz is 925kx2 a former first
Stepan is 6.5
dif is around 1.3ish
any prospect NY sends would only add

in that case, I would be ok with sending you the 2 NYR 2nds for the late 1st [that is Schmaltz] and the cap dif

final?
shatty is 4.25 + Schmaltz is 925kx2 a former first
Stepan is 6.5 + Ranger 2nds 2017 + 2018

 

[TheGuarantee]

Klein is not worth a 1st. A 3rd is fair, but at his cap hit, he has very little value.

He has a 2.9 million dollar contract for a top 4 defenseman.

The least he'll return is a 2nd. I can absolutely see him getting a 1st from someone, though it's all moot, Kleiner is Vegas bound.

 

[TheGuarantee]

2nd pairing during 5v5, 0 during PK, and as much as possible during PP. Ends up with similar minutes as Yandle did, a few minutes behind McDonagh, but right in the 2-4 range.

NYR fans are some of the most over analytic group on HF. They believe because he wasn't playing with a certain player that they are considered lower on the depth chart which simply isn't true.

For example, the Rangers had a defensive system of:

A-D
B-E
C-F

Though, to some that means D is the number 2 defenseman in this situation, when in reality he receives the fourth amount of ice time.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why should we give up anything for Shattenkirk? He's a UFA. We don't need rentals.

Take Lindberg, take Klein, take Fast. We won't care. Ask for Stepan or Miller or Hayes or anything like that, and its a no.

 

[67Blues]

Why should we give up anything for Shattenkirk? He's a UFA. We don't need rentals.

Take Lindberg, take Klein, take Fast. We won't care. Ask for Stepan or Miller or Hayes or anything like that, and its a no.

Blues have no need for any of those players listed. Just as you don't care for them, the Blues don't either. I guess you'll just have to wait and roll the dice to compete for Shattenkirk in the offseason along with the other 10-12 teams.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Why should we give up anything for Shattenkirk? He's a UFA. We don't need rentals.

Take Lindberg, take Klein, take Fast. We won't care. Ask for Stepan or Miller or Hayes or anything like that, and its a no.

Because another team could trade for and sign him.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Because another team could trade for and sign him.

I'm not willing to give him 7 years at 7 million.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm not willing to give him 7 years at 7 million.

It was reported that he was looking for Pietrangelo money. I'd expect him to be around 6.5 or Yandle's deal from this past summer.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

final?
shatty is 4.25 + Schmaltz is 925kx2 a former first
Stepan is 6.5 + Ranger 2nds 2017 + 2018

Doesn't the Rangers 2017 2nd already belong to Carolina?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It was reported that he was looking for Pietrangelo money. I'd expect him to be around 6.5 or Yandle's deal from this past summer.

Wouldn't give him more than the Staal or Girardi deals. Yandle deal will likely be one of the worst in the NHL in a season or two. Even now its a bad deal.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Doesn't the Rangers 2017 2nd already belong to Carolina?

Yeah, it does. We have two 2018 2nd's, so some people get confused.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Wouldn't give him more than the Staal or Girardi deals. Yandle deal will likely be one of the worst in the NHL in a season or two. Even now its a bad deal.

He will easily get more than Staal and G, by NYR aswell. But i have a very hard time believing NYR will give him 1$ more than 6,5. Between 6 and 6,5 is what we will give him imo. If another team gives him more and he decides that he want the most money he can get, i dont see us beeing able to sign him.

 

[bernmeister]

He has a 2.9 million dollar contract for a top 4 defenseman.

The least he'll return is a 2nd. I can absolutely see him getting a 1st from someone, though it's all moot, Kleiner is Vegas bound.

think they Gorton will move him rather than lose for nothing

Why should we give up anything for Shattenkirk? He's a UFA. We don't need rentals.

Take Lindberg, take Klein, take Fast. We won't care. Ask for Stepan or Miller or Hayes or anything like that, and its a no.

If we were to get the right add for Dumba, lesser salary, short term multi-year deal and RFA after that, I'd send Stepan/+ there. But absent that prompting an ask for St Lou to do something else we can live with for a rental --- and remember, Shattenkrk can only arrive here this year as a rental, so we do not have to protect him during expansion --- absent that, this is not bad

We have to repurpose Stepan and Nash salaries for raises and Shatty sal next year. This does that, and also gets us a late 1st ELC RD who is not slam dunk but seems legit prospect.

Blues have no need for any of those players listed. Just as you don't care for them, the Blues don't either. I guess you'll just have to wait and roll the dice to compete for Shattenkirk in the offseason along with the other 10-12 teams.

Because another team could trade for and sign him.

true, but there is a feeling that persists he'll come here if all things are =.
Just a feeling, but not an imagined one.
He didn't extend last year, if he doesn't this year, Blues can use him then lose him or trade to highest bidder.
But bids are likely to be low due to limitation of productive use based on limited availability.

You'll deal him.
Stepan will/will not be available due to better offer or not.
If he is available you will make the acceptable add or not.
If not Rangers won't deal and hold Step for another day.
You then get less for Shatty from elsewhere or lose after season.

this is another instance that it is not as much about value as it is the currency used for its payment

Doesn't the Rangers 2017 2nd already belong to Carolina?

Thank you friend.
offer revised to 2018 and 2019NYR 2nds