Value of: Shattenkirk to NYR

[Frenzy31]

Stepan has put more numbers up since the last lockout than nearly all you forwards barring Tarasenko and Steen. Even levels with Lehtera but like I said in another thread Rangers players get massively undervalued for 'having a team play style' where we the players excel as a squad instead of individuals. We have consistently has a solid amount of players hit strong numbers. We have 12 players already hitting double figures.

Lehtera sucks. If Joni was a true 2nd line center, we wouldn't be moving shatty. You picked the wrong player to compare him too.....

 

[Dbrownss]

Stepan has put more numbers up since the last lockout than nearly all you forwards barring Tarasenko and Steen. Even levels with Lehtera but like I said in another thread Rangers players get massively undervalued for 'having a team play style' where we the players excel as a squad instead of individuals. We have consistently has a solid amount of players hit strong numbers. We have 12 players already hitting double figures.

Whats the point of this post?

 

[Machinehead]

A deal for Shattenkirk just doesn't make sense as long as Girardi is taking minutes from him and we have a coach who is going to give Girardi those minutes.

AV would hate Shattenkirk.

 

[bleedblue1223]

A deal for Shattenkirk just doesn't make sense as long as Girardi is taking minutes from him and we have a coach who is going to give Girardi those minutes.

AV would hate Shattenkirk.

He'd feed him offensive sheltered minutes like he should receive.

 

[Machinehead]

He'd feed him offensive sheltered minutes like he should receive.

If by "sheltered" you mean Girardi and Holden would play more, yes.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If by "sheltered" you mean Girardi and Holden would play more, yes.

2nd pairing during 5v5, 0 during PK, and as much as possible during PP. Ends up with similar minutes as Yandle did, a few minutes behind McDonagh, but right in the 2-4 range.

 

[Mikos87]

Rangers Trade Klein to EDM for a late 1st. Stacking up their D.

Rangers use cap space to sign Shattenkirk as a free agent.

They don't need to pay a premium for him, just a contract.

 

[Machinehead]

2nd pairing during 5v5, 0 during PK, and as much as possible during PP. Ends up with similar minutes as Yandle did, a few minutes behind McDonagh, but right in the 2-4 range.

If he ends up with similar minutes to Yandle, he'll be on our third pair, like Yandle was.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If he ends up with similar minutes to Yandle, he'll be on our third pair, like Yandle was.

He played the 4th most minutes, and was about 20 seconds behind 2nd. He was just heavily sheltered from difficult situations, so he'd be on what some would consider the 3rd pair, which is smart for defense men who aren't very good defensively.

 

[Machinehead]

He played the 4th most minutes, and was about 20 seconds behind 2nd. He was just heavily sheltered from difficult situations, so he'd be on what some would consider the 3rd pair, which is smart for defense men who aren't very good defensively.

He was our best defenseman defensively last year, so...

Either way, still not worth paying assets not to mention a huge contract for Shattenkirk if he isn't going to get huge minutes.

He should be playing with McDonagh. If not, don't bother.

 

[Alluckks]

David krejci is what was being asked from Boston. There is a lot of debate on if the value is there, but..... that is what St.Louis was seeking.

DK is better then Stepan. As I said, I don't see a deal to be made with NYR.

So you asked for Krejci and didn't get that, okay.

Also, while Krejci has put up very slightly better number the past 2 years he is 30 years old and signed at 7.25 till he is 34. Whereas Stepan is 26 and signed through his prime till age 30 at 6.5 per year. Stepan will be better the next 4 years and is cheaper and younger. So you asked for someone with less value and didn't get it. Good talk.

 

[Dbrownss]

Rangers Trade Klein to EDM for a late 1st. Stacking up their D.

Rangers use cap space to sign Shattenkirk as a free agent.

They don't need to pay a premium for him, just a contract.

what happens when the Blues trade him and he signs with his new team? Seems that would really jack up that plan.

So you asked for Krejci and didn't get that, okay.

Also, while Krejci has put up very slightly better number the past 2 years he is 30 years old and signed at 7.25 till he is 34. Whereas Stepan is 26 and signed through his prime till age 30 at 6.5 per year. Stepan will be better the next 4 years and is cheaper and younger. So you asked for someone with less value and didn't get it. Good talk.

Something something NTC something something.....

 

[Alluckks]

So you think a deal was done and agreed to by both for for Krejci but he invoked his NTC?

 

[Dbrownss]

So you think a deal was done and agreed to by both for for Krejci but he invoked his NTC?

Nobody knows, Boston could have easily said no. What we do know is that anytime it was brought up with the Blues beatwriter, he strangely didn't dismiss it. JR is one who doesn't like to dabble in rumors...expecially unfounded rumors. Yet he said to pay attention to Shattenkirk to Boston.

 

[bernmeister]

Add for what, Stepan? The deal would have more moving parts since Stepan makss 6.5m. You might get an ok prospect but nothing major...Stepan isnt THAT great...just about tweener 1/2c for Stl.

If you're refering to Hall. The info we got was a straight trade if Shattenkirk was open to staying in Edmonton, He wasnt. Edmonton would have still done the deal without an extension but the Blues then would have had to add something major....most likely Fabbri. That was a big no no at that point.

what add do you consider fair?

A deal for Shattenkirk just doesn't make sense as long as Girardi is taking minutes from him and we have a coach who is going to give Girardi those minutes.

AV would hate Shattenkirk.

Screw AV

So you asked for Krejci and didn't get that, okay.

Also, while Krejci has put up very slightly better number the past 2 years he is 30 years old and signed at 7.25 till he is 34. Whereas Stepan is 26 and signed through his prime till age 30 at 6.5 per year. Stepan will be better the next 4 years and is cheaper and younger. So you asked for someone with less value and didn't get it. Good talk.

concur

 

[Dbrownss]

what add do you consider fair?

Honestly, I wouldn't consider any of the prospects untouchable. I wouldn't include any roster players unless you wanted Lehtera back. Blues prospect pool is fairly meh...

 

[HolyJumpin]

I wouldn't mind the Blues adding a little to get Stepan. Berglund, Rattie, Yak, Bortz, etc. Maybe a 2nd or a 3rd?

 

[wannabebluesplayer]

Stepan is the only real choice out of NYR. Zib to me is still unproven. Nash, no thanks, that's yours to deal with. Another D, I think we're all set there too. I wouldn't mind adding to the Shattenkirk trade to get Stepan, but it has to make some sense. I wouldn't trade Yak, as Yeo could make a difference for him next year. I would add a Rattie, or another RHD prospect. The other problem though is the money. Do the Blues have the cap space to do a Shattenkirk/Prospect for Stepan?

As for the Krejci/Boston thing, I think if Backes were to talk to Krejci, maybe he agrees to wave the NTC, but I don't want Krejci if I have my pick. I would want Stepan. Always have liked his game.

Flip side, I think Blues could also find a way to keep Shatty if the A+ deal for both teams isn't there.

Hockey trades are the new norm in NHL deals and that's truly what is going to happen if Armstrong deals Shattenkirk, it's going to be a hockey trade.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Doubt that Gorton trades for Shattenkirk, Pretty sure he will try and sign him as a UFA next summer. Sounds like by all accounts Shattenkirk wants to sign with the Rangers unless Boston trades for him and he signs long term there other then that i can see Gorton waiting to get Shattenkirk next summer.

 

[bernmeister]

Doubt that Gorton trades for Shattenkirk, Pretty sure he will try and sign him as a UFA next summer. Sounds like by all accounts Shattenkirk wants to sign with the Rangers unless Boston trades for him and he signs long term there other then that i can see Gorton waiting to get Shattenkirk next summer.

possibly. On the other hand if we repurpose enough cap hit, esp a large structural piece like Stepan or Nash (I heard, they are mostly saying no on Rick), that could well be worthwhile if it is the right add.

Honestly, I wouldn't consider any of the prospects untouchable. I wouldn't include any roster players unless you wanted Lehtera back. Blues prospect pool is fairly meh...

I wouldn't mind the Blues adding a little to get Stepan. Berglund, Rattie, Yak, Bortz, etc. Maybe a 2nd or a 3rd?

Stepan is the only real choice out of NYR. Zib to me is still unproven. Nash, no thanks, that's yours to deal with. Another D, I think we're all set there too. I wouldn't mind adding to the Shattenkirk trade to get Stepan, but it has to make some sense. I wouldn't trade Yak, as Yeo could make a difference for him next year. I would add a Rattie, or another RHD prospect. The other problem though is the money. Do the Blues have the cap space to do a Shattenkirk/Prospect for Stepan?

As for the Krejci/Boston thing, I think if Backes were to talk to Krejci, maybe he agrees to wave the NTC, but I don't want Krejci if I have my pick. I would want Stepan. Always have liked his game.

Flip side, I think Blues could also find a way to keep Shatty if the A+ deal for both teams isn't there.

Hockey trades are the new norm in NHL deals and that's truly what is going to happen if Armstrong deals Shattenkirk, it's going to be a hockey trade.

Thank you and pls keep it coming blues fans esp.
Small sample size, let's see if we can think this through...

 

[Dbrownss]

possibly. On the other hand if we repurpose enough cap hit, esp a large structural piece like Stepan or Nash (I heard, they are mostly saying no on Rick), that could well be worthwhile if it is the right add.









Thank you and pls keep it coming blues fans esp.
Small sample size, let's see if we can think this through...

What do you have in mind for an add on?



Also to stomp out the notion that Shattenkirk is a sure thing to sign as an UfA(again). Our beatwriter has talked to Shattenkirk's camp and they are open to signing long term with acceptable western conference teams.

 

[Alluckks]

Shattenkirk for Stepan requires more than a small add from the Blues. 26 years old. Signed till 30 at a good number, less than what he would get in UFA this off-season, his prime years. Top 30 scoring Center in NHL. Good defensively. Shattenkirk is 2 years older and is going to cost more than Stepan. Not to mention, unsigned. Can't imagine there is anything comparable to Stepan being offered.

 

[Dbrownss]

Shattenkirk for Stepan requires more than a small add from the Blues. 26 years old. Signed till 30 at a good number, less than what he would get in UFA this off-season, his prime years. Top 30 scoring Center in NHL. Good defensively. Shattenkirk is 2 years older and is going to cost more than Stepan. Not to mention, unsigned. Can't imagine there is anything comparable to Stepan being offered.

Throw something out. Worst case Blues fan will blow up and say NEVER. Lol.... Theres zero evidence that I've seen that Stepan is even available. No harm in our talks

 

[bleedblue1223]

Stepan isn't going to happen. Best case from Rangers is Miller+ or Hayes+ IMO. New York just doesn't meet our needs and value.

 

[bernmeister]

Shattenkirk for Stepan requires more than a small add from the Blues. 26 years old. Signed till 30 at a good number, less than what he would get in UFA this off-season, his prime years. Top 30 scoring Center in NHL. Good defensively. Shattenkirk is 2 years older and is going to cost more than Stepan. Not to mention, unsigned. Can't imagine there is anything comparable to Stepan being offered.

ballpark, moving Stepan = $ for Shatty
we need to move Stepan if we get the right return

What do you have in mind for an add on?

Also to stomp out the notion that Shattenkirk is a sure thing to sign as an UfA(again). Our beatwriter has talked to Shattenkirk's camp and they are open to signing long term with acceptable western conference teams.

I was hoping to get a better idea from you guys
PRELIMINARY based on someone saying something like
Rattie or acceptable prospect
2 Blues 2nds
+ Shatty unextended
for
Stepan
2 Ranger 3rds

something like that

Stepan isn't going to happen. Best case from Rangers is Miller+ or Hayes+ IMO. New York just doesn't meet our needs and value.

Gordon and I are alike in this way, we agree, keep the youngest core, move young vets
Hayes and Miller are not available, at least not before their time
It is Stepan's time'
he IS available

Stepan and Shattenkirk are ballpark close already as to cap
small piece = match