Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

I was simply explaining what would need to happen.

It is hilarious that you are acting as Ernst & Young is beyond reproach.

Here are jsut a few of some their recent scandals.

Accounting giant Ernst & Young admits its employees cheated on ethics exams

Ernst & Young, auditors to pay over $10 mln to settle SEC charges

EY fined, banned from some audits in Germany over Wirecard scandal
Can you point out the minute and second in the video of the draft lottery where the fixing occurred?

E&Y is staffed with humans who are fallible and corruptible. But specifically how do your examples of situations where E&Y has fallen short play into the specific process being discussed?
 
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Yeah, that’s shady but these are fairly small potato things compared to rigging an entire draft for a team.

I would see it as doing it at the behest of the NHL not simply a team. It's better for NHL if these S tier prospects find themselves on storied franchises or major markets. And it's not rigging an entire draft but one pick which can be done very discreetly and easily.
 
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To further contextualize this, the likehood the Hawks won the lottery from the third position last draft was roughly equivalent to winning three hands of rock paper scissors in a row.

But yeah, the more likely thing was that Hasso and the other owners of teams that just came off miserable seasons conspired to forgo drafting the most exciting young propsect since McDavid, and all the excitement and revenue that directly benefits their franchise, because in spite of revenue sharing not really being a thing, Bedard in Chicago would nebulously increase revenues across the league and nominally increase their franchise valuation. Maybe. In the off chance ONE of the owners is looking to sell sometime soon.

To really hammer this home; multiple owners, in unison, elected to guarantee they wouldn’t get Bedard for the possibility of some voodoo trickle down economics over a legit shot at a franchise transforming player and all the accompanying competitive and financial benefits.

Three consecutive hands of rock paper scissors or a bunch of actors conspiring to the benefit of one organization at great peril to the league’s and their own reputation. The only evidence informing this discussion being that a draft lottery took place, with all the odds posted, and the actual lottery tabulations recorded and witnessed by each team.

I cannot stress this enough; as a society we need to do something about how we teach critical thinking skills. That or we need to foster a culture where people are more comfortable being open about their shortcomings, so that we can more readily identify the morons whose opinions should be discounted.

This x100.

Now let’s talk about prospects.
 
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I would see it as doing it at the behest of the NHL not simply a team. It's better for NHL if these S tier prospects find themselves on storied franchises or major markets. And it's not rigging an entire draft but one pick which can be done very discreetly and easily.
And do you have any evidence of such?
 
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How could I but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that corporations engage in underhanded activities.
So, no, just "some people do bad things, so I'll speculate wildly about this bad thing and make the inference to lead the audience into believing something that I don't have to commit myself to."

Yeah that's nonsense.
 
So, no, just "some people do bad things, so I'll speculate wildly about this bad thing and make the inference to lead the audience into believing something that I don't have to commit myself to."

Yeah that's nonsense.

Sure buddy that is exactly what I was getting at.
 
How could I but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that corporations engage in underhanded activities.
Let's try and use harder language and something more specific to this situation.

What is the probability that the draft was "rigged" so that Bedard went to Chicago?
 
Let's lay off the conversation entirely and start trying to make sense of picks 2-10, many of whom could be argued pickable at 2OA.
 
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Let's try and use harder language and something more specific to this situation.

What is the probability that the draft was "rigged" so that Bedard went to Chicago?

I'm not going to engage in a silly question like that when none of us are privy to the inner going ons but if people want to believe that the NHL prioritizes being the steward of the league's integrity over money, I couldn't care less.

I'm not saying that the league is intentionally rigging drafts but that I wouldn't be shocked it was found out they had.
 
I'm not going to engage in a silly question like that when none of us are privy to the inner going ons but if people want to believe that the NHL prioritizes being the steward of the league's integrity over money, I couldn't care less.

I'm not saying that the league is intentionally rigging drafts but that I wouldn't be shocked it was found out they had.
The NHL prioritizing the integrity of the draft is putting money above everything. The financial consequences of being caught rigging a draft would be catastrophic.
 
The NHL prioritizing the integrity of the draft is putting money above everything. The financial consequences of being caught rigging a draft would be catastrophic.

No doubt but the probability of them being caught doing that is extremely low. As I said before it is something so easy to do discreetly, that the gain would be worth the risk. As Cas said, it is all speculation and nothing that could be proven without a whistleblower within the inner working.

This is an unproductive conversation though. People are going to feel how they feel. I recommend we continue with the prospect talk instead.
 
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I have a question for the MODs. I don’t think the discussion needs to always be exactly related to the OP but can we just have a “lottery is rigged” thread where people can decide to engage in this silly argument (which I understand is perfectly reasonable given this is a Internet forum). I say this because this is not the first or last time that this topic has taken over not this but multiple different threads at once. It is (in my opinion) a stand alone topic that clearly the community is interested in having but it would allow that discussion to occur without disturbing the main purpose of all of these threads.

I understand the Sharks are off for 2 weeks so there is not much to talk about but I just thought a separate thread for this discussion would be reasonable.
 
I have a question for the MODs. I don’t think the discussion needs to always be exactly related to the OP but can we just have a “lottery is rigged” thread where people can decide to engage in this silly argument (which I understand is perfectly reasonable given this is a Internet forum). I say this because this is not the first or last time that this topic has taken over not this but multiple different threads at once. It is (in my opinion) a stand alone topic that clearly the community is interested in having but it would allow that discussion to occur without disturbing the main purpose of all of these threads.

I understand the Sharks are off for 2 weeks so there is not much to talk about but I just thought a separate thread for this discussion would be reasonable.
1) Take the initiative and start such a thread.

2) Has this topic ever really taken over a thread? On this subforum?
 
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I have to say something funny. Rangers fans are jackin’ it to the idea that Perreault is better than Smith because of his point totals, but not a single Sharks fan has suggested that Musty is a better prospect than Dvorsky because Musty is outscoring him.
 
I have to say something funny. Rangers fans are jackin’ it to the idea that Perreault is better than Smith because of his point totals, but not a single Sharks fan has suggested that Musty is a better prospect than Dvorsky because Musty is outscoring him.
I mean Perreault unbeatably has the bigger role on their line and the PP this year. Good to see that Smith has the ability to be a valuable complimentary player though.
 
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