Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XVIII

[OrrNumber4]

The Oilers suck because Ken Holland doesn't know how to build a deep team with a salary cap. You could easily point to the Penguins for the opposite; they built around multiple top-3 picks successfully and won 3 Cups because of it.

You can with with just depth, kind of (see: '06 Canes, '19 Blues, maybe the '11 Bruins) but you need guys playing way over their heads to do so

The Hurricanes had Eric Stall and his 100 points as well as Cam Ward (franchise caliber at least for that run and the next couple of seasons). 2011 Bruins had Chara, Thomas, and Bergeron.

 

[hohosaregood]

We're only in year 2 of the pre-rebuild. We'd definitely be further along with Stutzle and Norris but it's still early days and we've just barely started to restock the cupboard. As it stands, it's a promising start but you're gonna be getting the franchise talent in the next 3-4 years. Expecting a flash rebuild is madness.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

We're only in year 2 of the pre-rebuild. We'd definitely be further along with Stutzle and Norris but it's still early days and we've just barely started to restock the cupboard. As it stands, it's a promising start but you're gonna be getting the franchise talent in the next 3-4 years. Expecting a flash rebuild is madness.

In the 26-27 season we will pay $11.5M for 36 year old Karlsson and $8M for a 37 year old Couture. Add in $1.67M for Jones plus maybe some money Kane and we will be spending roughly 25% of our cap space to ice 2 guys well past their primes. It’s very doubtful that we will be contenders for at least 5 years.

 

[Juxtaposer]

All three picks were/are fine. I just take issue with the blindly optimistic takes that suggest we're getting four or five NHL forwards out of the last two drafts. If Eklund hits as a second line Clayton Keller type winger and we get one additional top nine forward out of the last 2-3 drafts that's a success but it's not some vast improvement over the Tim Burke era and most importantly it's not nearly enough to drag the current NHL roster into contention.

But my point is that it’s silly to be down on DWJr for the Bordeleau pick, even if he busts, because he’s the most promising prospect taken in the range he was picked.

I honestly don’t feel like people are being needlessly optimistic. But even if they are, who cares?

As an aside, I’ve never really cared for the Weisblatt pick, so my hopes for him are solid third line winger. But I’ve been extremely wrong before; does anyone remember my Timo Meier takes? Truly the most wrong I’ve ever been about a Shark.

 

[hohosaregood]

But my point is that it’s silly to be down on DWJr for the Bordeleau pick, even if he busts, because he’s the most promising prospect taken in the range he was picked.

I honestly don’t feel like people are being needlessly optimistic. But even if they are, who cares?

As an aside, I’ve never really cared for the Weisblatt pick, so my hopes for him are solid third line winger. But I’ve been extremely wrong before; does anyone remember my Timo Meier takes? Truly the most wrong I’ve ever been about a Shark.

You definitely influenced the mood around here on that one. Can't remember if you hated the Meier pick more or less than the Mueller pick though. I feel like it was pretty close.

 

[OrrNumber4]

But I’ve been extremely wrong before; does anyone remember my Timo Meier takes? Truly the most wrong I’ve ever been about a Shark.

You've been wrong, then right, and now wrong again, so I wouldn't lose hope that you might soon be right again.

 

[spintops]

One guy has pretty much ruined my joy of reading this thread.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Going to put out the most teal-colored review of Ozzy tonight after watching him to counteract the negativity

 

[Stewie Griffin]

At the time of the draft I wanted us taking Peterka 31. We also traded down from our original 2nd and passed on him again. While I'm happy we traded down and ended up getting Bordeleau and Guschin as a result...Peterka would probably be our 2nd best prospect right now.

 

[Kcoyote3]

At the time of the draft I wanted us taking Peterka 31. We also traded down from our original 2nd and passed on him again. While I'm happy we traded down and ended up getting Bordeleau and Guschin as a result...Peterka would probably be our 2nd best prospect right now.

I think there's no way to really be upset with our first 5 picks. Yes Ozzy is having a rough year, but getting Ozzy/Robins/Bordeleau/Gushchin/Coe is a great haul for a single draft year. Yeah JJP is a sad miss, but that happens every year.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I think there's no way to really be upset with our first 5 picks. Yes Ozzy is having a rough year, but getting Ozzy/Robins/Bordeleau/Gushchin/Coe is a great haul for a single draft year. Yeah JJP is a sad miss, but that happens every year.

Yeah I agree with that. The guy I wanted so badly was Mavrik Bourque and I was livid Dallas took him 1 spot before us lol.

That all said, even if Ozzy never reaches his offensive ceiling he should be a useful bottom-6er, which is still good with 31st overall.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You definitely influenced the mood around here on that one. Can't remember if you hated the Meier pick more or less than the Mueller pick though. I feel like it was pretty close.

Less than the Mueller pick, because I was sure Meier would be a solid complimentary 2nd line winger and Mueller would straight up bust. And I had watched Meier a solid amount in the Q in his draft year.

To be fair to myself, I did come around a lot on Meier in his D+1 year, but I never imagined he could ever be as good as he’s been this season.

You've been wrong, then right, and now wrong again, so I wouldn't lose hope that you might soon be right again.

Ouch.

 

[Kcoyote3]

One drafted 199th overall...one drafted 18th overall.


Eeesh. Like EEEEESH.

 

[Lebanezer]

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One drafted 199th overall...one drafted 18th overall.


Eeesh. Like EEEEESH.

Sometimes scouts see what they want to see, even if nothing close to it exists.

 

[Pavelski2112]

When anyone (cough) says that anyone is being too hopeful around here, remember that after seeing Mueller catch Gaborik during the Winter Classic, some of us thought he'd be a top-4 dman. That's wishful thinking.

 

[hohosaregood]

When anyone (cough) says that anyone is being too hopeful around here, remember that after seeing Mueller catch Gaborik during the Winter Classic, some of us thought he'd be a top-4 dman. That's wishful thinking.

It was a promising 3 games for sure.

 

[OrrNumber4]

One guy has pretty much ruined my joy of reading this thread.

Doesn't that speak more about you than him?

Ouch.

To clarify, I mean that Meier has had an up-and-down career. It's certainly possible that he regresses into a (what will likely be a hugely overpaid) 2nd-line winger and an underutilization of the 9th overall pick.

When anyone (cough) says that anyone is being too hopeful around here, remember that after seeing Mueller catch Gaborik during the Winter Classic, some of us thought he'd be a top-4 dman. That's wishful thinking.

People thought Nolan Schaefer would be a starting goaltender after 6 games...

 

[timorous me]

Doesn't that speak more about you than him?

I don't think it does in this case. Not only can it be just a big downer to see these kinds of posts every 2-3 days, but they also tend to hijack discussion every time and get things off track. And if it does prevent others from speaking their mind out of fear of being mocked or shamed, then that's even more unfortunate.

 

[Mattb124]

When anyone (cough) says that anyone is being too hopeful around here, remember that after seeing Mueller catch Gaborik during the Winter Classic, some of us thought he'd be a top-4 dman. That's wishful thinking.

I have long wondered how much him being rushed into the NHL as Vlasic 2.0 impacted his development.

 

[one2gamble]

People thought Nolan Schaefer would be a starting goaltender after 6 games...

it was the pads

 

[Pavelski2112]

I have long wondered how much him being rushed into the NHL as Vlasic 2.0 impacted his development.

Yea, the defense that year was absolute garbage. He was actually one of the four best d-men on the team at that point, which is saying something.

 

[Juxtaposer]

To clarify, I mean that Meier has had an up-and-down career. It's certainly possible that he regresses into a (what will likely be a hugely overpaid) 2nd-line winger and an underutilization of the 9th overall pick.

No, I understood what you meant, don’t worry. And honestly it was never so much that I hated Meier as a player as that the cost of picking Meier was what I saw as a safe pick versus a potential superstar (Barzal mostly, but I also really wanted Rantanen and Connor).

People thought Nolan Schaefer would be a starting goaltender after 6 games...

Goalies are witchcraft. After something like 1500 saves, Martin Jones was tracking to be a superstar goaltender based on mathematical projections I read at the time.

To be fair to Jones though, I really think his career was destroyed by goalie pad size reduction.

 

[hohosaregood]

No, I understood what you meant, don’t worry. And honestly it was never so much that I hated Meier as a player as that the cost of picking Meier was what I saw as a safe pick versus a potential superstar (Barzal mostly, but I also really wanted Rantanen and Connor).



Goalies are witchcraft. After something like 1500 saves, Martin Jones was tracking to be a superstar goaltender based on mathematical projections I read at the time.

To be fair to Jones though, I really think his career was destroyed by goalie pad size reduction.

I think the goalie pad reduction was just a coincidence. The year they did the goalie pad reduction was also the year when Jones started to deal with groin injuries. I think that affected him more considering his general lack of mobility the last couple years.

 

[TheBeard]

I think the goalie pad reduction was just a coincidence. The year they did the goalie pad reduction was also the year when Jones started to deal with groin injuries. I think that affected him more considering his general lack of mobility the last couple years.

I think it was between the ears tbh. Goalies are eccentric enigmas that need to have the mental toughness to thrive, otherwise everything is a shade short in terms of reflexes. Very similar to cornerbacks in football, once a shred of doubt seeps in you suddenly have a harder time assessing everything.

 

[Kcoyote3]

People thought Nolan Schaefer would be a starting goaltender after 6 games...