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He had all the skill in the world but size and skating concerns were a big issue for Point. I think the way to identify a Point is through the interview process and finding someone with the work ethic Point has.
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Sharks have developed some guys into better skaters. Couture comes to mind. Pavelski needed work and got a bit better with us.
Selanne, Karlsson, and Vlasic got worse.
(I kid, kind of)To be fair, I think the Sharks primarily focus on straight line power skating. So, maybe Point would've been sturdier. But that spin move he pulled off last night seems like an anti-Shark thing.
Watched Coe again today. I will say his offensive instincts are great, and he's good on the right half wall on the powerplay. It's easy to see why he has a ton of points this year, and he regularly looks like the best player for NB. They defer to him constantly when he's on the ice. Which is great but I still don't love his effort. With his size and skating, he could really turn into a dominating power forward, but his game isn't heavy enough or up-beat enough. It'll be interesting to see how he develops in the AHL.
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Selanne, Karlsson, and Vlasic got worse.
To be fair, I think the Sharks primarily focus on straight line power skating. So, maybe Point would've been sturdier. But that spin move he pulled off last night seems like an anti-Shark thing.
It's interesting that Point is being brought up right now. I have this highlight from the playoffs saved on my computer and it pinpoints Point and his straight-line speed. There is a great top-down view and it's surprising that Point was said to be a bad skater draft year based on what he does here.
Does the effort look like a lack of physical competition? By that I mean is it easy for him to overpower younger and less developed players? Or could it even be a strategy since he’s so dominant offensively from his coaches?
I'd lean more towards strategy. Saw the set play again where when his team wins the draw in the defensive zone, he's already up ice without looking back trying to get the breakout pass. Then he will float there instead of skating back even if his team is having issues getting it out of the zone. So there's definitely some element of his coaches telling him to do it, but he should get better at adjusting and coming back, trying to steal in the defensive zone.
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Kniazev is starting to heat up. Back-to-back multi point games.
Coe and Jacobsson with a goal and 2 asissts
Eklund with 2 assists
Eklund with 2 assists
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Coe has 63 pts in 36 games....wow. Even for an over ager. Gotta admit thats impressive.
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His age-adjusted NHLe is about 45 points/82 right now at his peak (basically age 26). That would be a pretty solid middle-six player.
That's a big jump from his previous two seasons (and I do wonder whether overage CHL seasons need to have a further adjustment down), but considering he spent last season as an underage player in the AHL in a disrupted season, I'm not going to hold his 26/82 from last year against him - he was basically playing against an entire division of guys at least a year older than he was, many of whom had NHL experience.
Usual caveats about prospects and overage players (especially overage players who are very physically-developed) apply, but nothing is wrong about Coe's trajectory. With some luck, maybe he's Labanc's replacement in 23-24 and proves he can hold down a third-line role. If we're really lucky, he turns into a legitimate top-six player (almost certainly a complementary one) or at least a good two-way third liner.
I'm also hoping his floor is an adequate fourth liner who can provide size and a bit of a scoring touch. Nothing wrong with getting that out of a fourth round pick.
In terms of >6'3" prospects in the OHL Coe is close to the following in PPG scoring or being outscored by since 2001:
Quinton Byfield
Jason Robertson
Taylor Raddysh
Dylan Strome
Mark Schiefele
Wojtek Wolski
Corey Perry
Jason Spezza
So obviously we should expect him to develop into any of those guys.
Quinton Byfield
Jason Robertson
Taylor Raddysh
Dylan Strome
Mark Schiefele
Wojtek Wolski
Corey Perry
Jason Spezza
So obviously we should expect him to develop into any of those guys.
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Unless he
Unless he just falls off a cliff skill wise once turning pro, I don't see why once he adjusts to the pro game he wouldn't continue to at least give the Sharks another solid middle sixer.In terms of >6'3" prospects in the OHL Coe is close to the following in PPG scoring or being outscored by since 2001:
Quinton Byfield
Jason Robertson
Taylor Raddysh
Dylan Strome
Mark Schiefele
Wojtek Wolski
Corey Perry
Jason Spezza
So obviously we should expect him to develop into any of those guys.
It's definitely possible. He's an interesting study, even as far back as in his draft year. Scouts were commenting on the tools/toolbox thing that scouts love to talk about.
Now I will say, he still attacks along the perimeter, but he drives to the net a lot this season, or at least gets the puck there a ton, so that's improved.
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Pace of play seems to be the main thing that Coe needs to work on. Seems like the right kind of issue that Sommer has had some success in improving and definitely the kind of thing that Coe will need to improve in the AHL before he'll get a chance in the NHL.
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FTF just posted a survey for the top 25 prospects for us and I noticed Kashnikov was listed at D/F. Is that accurate? Can he play forward as well?
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I noticed that somewhere before too, and I just checked and EliteProspects has him listed as that as well. A 6'6 defenseman who is a forward/defenseman hybrid...did we find the russian wookie?
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He's a lefty, too, so we can pair him with Burns.
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Going to watch the Coe vs. Gushchin match tonight, super pumped
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Nah, I like Kcoyote3's reports. Theyre very insightful and appreciated. With that being said, just hoping both come out healthy and score lots of points.
Coe with an assist so far, good positioning off the faceoff to open up for a shot by him, rebound knocked in by NB.
Gushchin doing Gushchin things, great deke to set up a play for his teammate, earlier on had a gorgeous cross ice pass to set up a shot.
Gushchin doing Gushchin things, great deke to set up a play for his teammate, earlier on had a gorgeous cross ice pass to set up a shot.
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