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Chat, is it good to have (most likely) four of the top-10 OHL producers?

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I'm still mad we didn't take Young Pro, but whatever.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Some interesting data cards for NA prospects going around twitter right now.











I can't speak to methodology, but these all pass my sniff check. The only OHL defenseman that grades higher than Dickinson is Matthew Schaefer. Parekh lands right behind them.
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Even with his production picking back up it's hard to get too excited about Musty given his defensive game. Like I don't think we'll ever be able to put him on a line with Smith in the NHL.
 
Hodge said:
Even with his production picking back up it's hard to get too excited about Musty given his defensive game. Like I don't think we'll ever be able to put him on a line with Smith in the NHL.
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Maybe if you pair them with a stronger two way guy like Chernyshov. Musty and Smith have shown some good chemistry in the prospect scrimmages.
 
Patty Ice said:
Maybe if you pair them with a stronger two way guy like Chernyshov. Musty and Smith have shown some good chemistry in the prospect scrimmages.
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They might both put up 80-100 pts but still give away a lot on the other end.

Juxtaposer said:
Some interesting data cards for NA prospects going around twitter right now.











I can't speak to methodology, but these all pass my sniff check. The only OHL defenseman that grades higher than Dickinson is Matthew Schaefer. Parekh lands right behind them.
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This could speak to the off puck improvements that Halttunen has made this season.
 
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Maybe if you pair them with a stronger two way guy like Chernyshov. Musty and Smith have shown some good chemistry in the prospect scrimmages.
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I could possibly see it working with Smith at RW and Celebrini centering but IMO we're better off with Will and Mack on separate lines in the long run.
 
Hodge said:
Even with his production picking back up it's hard to get too excited about Musty given his defensive game. Like I don't think we'll ever be able to put him on a line with Smith in the NHL.
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I still have hope he can get it to passable. It's not that he's totally lost or incapable of engaging physically. The main reason I want to see him with the Cuda is to see how much of his bad defensive results are Sudbury's system and coaching. I have seen Musty have strong defensive games and I have seen Musty have incredibly poor defensive games. Really depends on the day.

Timo Time said:
Maybe I'm reading those cards wrong, but why are all their stats wrong?
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I'm gonna guess they're just even strength. It was also mentioned somewhere that the data set only goes until the beginning of March.
 
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Barrie22 said:
Smith had defensive issues in college also, but now he is pretty defensively sound where he is more of a positive then a negative player defensively.
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Smiths always been able to turn it on when he needed too. I think he gets judged harshly because he doesn't move his feet enough. I hope Musty is just bored. Part system part boredom. You'd want him to care more about details like that but who knows? I see immaturity in his game but when he's given a real assignment like playing in the AHL I bet he turns it around quickly
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Love Smith but he is nowhere near "defensively sound" in the NHL right now.
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He is very rarely out of position, that to me is defensively sound. Would i trust him to go 1 on 1 with mcdavid or Mackinnon or those type of players? Yeah no. But 5 on 5 i am not worried anymore with him on the ice defensively
 
Barrie22 said:
He is very rarely out of position, that to me is defensively sound. Would i trust him to go 1 on 1 with mcdavid or Mackinnon or those type of players? Yeah no. But 5 on 5 i am not worried anymore with him on the ice defensively
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He is occasionally out of position. But frankly, being "in position" for a winger is pretty meaningless if you aren't actually pressuring the puck-holder, don't block shots, win 10% of your puck-battles on the boards, don't support breakouts, and are generally unthreatening to a defenseman.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
He is occasionally out of position. But frankly, being "in position" for a winger is pretty meaningless if you aren't actually pressuring the puck-holder, don't block shots, win 10% of your puck-battles on the boards, don't support breakouts, and are generally unthreatening to a defenseman.
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I think he does a good job supporting breakouts since his... breakout. That's like the one thing I can count on him being able to do these days defensively. He's not winning a contested puck battle on the breakout but he reads rim plays well enough to be there first.
 
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