Speculation: Sharks/Habs

[Sysreq]

No thanks. If anything, we want an upgrade. The Habs can't offer any of Galchenyuk, Radulov or Gallagher. Who is left? Plus we'd have to take back significant cap. In all, trading Marleau to the Habs makes no sense for the Sharks.

Dillion and Marleau @ 50% for Patches and (Beaulieu or DD). Maybe add some picks/prospects to balance it out.

 

[CanadienShark]

Dillion and Marleau @ 50% for Patches and (Beaulieu or DD). Maybe add some picks/prospects to balance it out.

I wish.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Just throwing this out there but how about Brendan Dillon and a late pick (6th/7th) for Sven Andrighetto and a 2nd or 3rd? Sharks get to ice Demelo with Schlemko on the 3rd pair which IMO is just as effective. They also get cap space to potentially add a player to help their cup run at the deadline and get a prospect in Andrighetto that could likely use a change of scenery and coming to a team that already has 3 Swiss prospects will ease the transition for him. Montreal gets an upgrade on LD and a player signed to a cap friendly deal @3.3 for three more seasons.

Is Dillon basically just a third pairing guy, or is he capable of being a top 4? Haven't watched much of him with San Jose, but the Habs need someone who can log minutes on the left side so Markov won't be stuck playing too much.

 

[Sysreq]

Thinking through it, SJS has a lot of "spare" parts MTL might want. Off the cuff here:

Marleau
Boedker
Wingels
Dillion
Martin

If I'm not mistaken MTL is in the market for a top-4 LHD, a top-6 winger and some grit. The pieces listed above could all be had for the right price. None are what I would consider "critical" to SJS.

The other thing, and this is likely heresy, but Doug Wilson is pretty shrewd about trading assets before they soil. MTL is rumored to be looking for a big-body center, and I think Hertl fits the bill. It would take a hell of return, but with these latent knee issues, it could be considered.

What is SJS looking for? 2nd round picks for one. Something MTL seems to have a glut of. Cap is another thing, unfortunately MTL is pretty close to the ceiling as well. The final piece however, is a big-bodied winger. Radulov, Patches and McCarron would all fit the bill. As someone else mentioned though, it seems unlikely Radulov is moved.

I can see potential here. Who knows if they can make it work though.

 

[The Great Weal]

Last time he,Timmins, and Dudley went to scout Mike Brown for 4 games. I wouldn't expect anything

 

[Benstheman]

Dillion and Marleau @ 50% for Patches and (Beaulieu or DD). Maybe add some picks/prospects to balance it out.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Just throwing this out there but how about Brendan Dillon and a late pick (6th/7th) for Sven Andrighetto and a 2nd or 3rd? Sharks get to ice Demelo with Schlemko on the 3rd pair which IMO is just as effective. They also get cap space to potentially add a player to help their cup run at the deadline and get a prospect in Andrighetto that could likely use a change of scenery and coming to a team that already has 3 Swiss prospects will ease the transition for him. Montreal gets an upgrade on LD and a player signed to a cap friendly deal @3.3 for three more seasons.

Sharks will probably want to keep their depth on the blue line.

 

[HabsQC]

Any reason to go earlier to California earlier is a good reason. Probably nothing here...

 

[hockeycentresud]

We want thornton

 

[Sysreq]

Is Dillon basically just a third pairing guy, or is he capable of being a top 4? Haven't watched much of him with San Jose, but the Habs need someone who can log minutes on the left side so Markov won't be stuck playing too much.

Dillion is a tweener, really. He can play top-4 minutes, but I wouldn't expect him to anchor the pair. With the right partner though, he is solid. Just reading a few scouting reports on Petry, makes me think that would be a good fit.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Marc Bergevin attending his second straight Sharks game in person, anything to this? Seems unlikely he would be there scouting the Sharks for their game in a few weeks.

Think this thread was made last year too, they're just scouting and looking at teams. Probably nothing

Just throwing this out there but how about Brendan Dillon and a late pick (6th/7th) for Sven Andrighetto and a 2nd or 3rd? Sharks get to ice Demelo with Schlemko on the 3rd pair which IMO is just as effective. They also get cap space to potentially add a player to help their cup run at the deadline and get a prospect in Andrighetto that could likely use a change of scenery and coming to a team that already has 3 Swiss prospects will ease the transition for him. Montreal gets an upgrade on LD and a player signed to a cap friendly deal @3.3 for three more seasons.

We don't have the cap space. Dillon wouldnt make our top 6 I rather have pateryn at a cheap cost and make him play more. No deal at all

Dillion and Marleau @ 50% for Patches and (Beaulieu or DD). Maybe add some picks/prospects to balance it out.

So we lose a consistent 30goal scorer and 2 way player for an expiring contract on an older player and get a bottom pairing defensemen? And then we add DD or Beaulieu who have value at opposite ends of the spectrum. Ok

 

[Sysreq]

So we lose a consistent 30goal scorer and 2 way player for an expiring contract on an older player and get a bottom pairing defensemen? And then we add DD or Beaulieu who have value at opposite ends of the spectrum. Ok

You lose a 60 pt winger for a young, big bodied, fast top-4 LHD on a good contract. And make no mistake Brenden Dillion is a top-4 LHD. How many of those are there in this league? How many are available? I mean, look at the cost of Larrson. Dillion is still improving as well, which only adds to his value.

You want a top-4 defender, it's not going to be cheap. The DD/Beaulieu add was for Marleau at 50%. Both pieces I had heard MTL fans eager to sell. And even then, it's mostly for cap reasons. Throw in some picks and prospects to balance, and I think you have a good framework.

I don't know what you want to trade for a top-4 D if your entire top-6 and D-corp is off the table. No one is selling for picks and prospects.

If you are serious about a cup run, that trade makes you better now and opens cap for the future. You can replace Patches in UFA after a deep run.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Is Dillon basically just a third pairing guy, or is he capable of being a top 4? Haven't watched much of him with San Jose, but the Habs need someone who can log minutes on the left side so Markov won't be stuck playing too much.

Depends on the partner. Are you pairing him with a Polak? He'll look horrible. Are you pairing him with a Schlemko (I think Petry fits the bill)? He can be a capable #4 IMO.

He's never had to play significant minutes in SJ but I think he could if needed.

The other thing, and this is likely heresy, but Doug Wilson is pretty shrewd about trading assets before they soil. MTL is rumored to be looking for a big-body center, and I think Hertl fits the bill. It would take a hell of return, but with these latent knee issues, it could be considered.

What is SJS looking for? 2nd round picks for one. Something MTL seems to have a glut of. Cap is another thing, unfortunately MTL is pretty close to the ceiling as well. The final piece however, is a big-bodied winger. Radulov, Patches and McCarron would all fit the bill. As someone else mentioned though, it seems unlikely Radulov is moved.

San Jose is looking for good players. A LW would be nice. But we don't have any particular need.

Why on earth would you bring up Hertl? We need more players like Hertl, not less.

 

[Sysreq]

Why on earth would you bring up Hertl? We need more players like Hertl, not less.

Chronic knee problems. And I agree, Hertl has been one of our best players this year. But you at least gotta consider the risks of that knee taking him down permanently.

 

[stubbadub]

They're there for Thornton and/or Tierney.

 

[The Great Weal]

Don't want Dillon, Emelin is better

 

[rhinoshawarma]

You lose a 60 pt winger for a young, big bodied, fast top-4 LHD on a good contract. And make no mistake Brenden Dillion is a top-4 LHD. How many of those are there in this league? How many are available? I mean, look at the cost of Larrson. Dillion is still improving as well, which only adds to his value.

You want a top-4 defender, it's not going to be cheap. The DD/Beaulieu add was for Marleau at 50%. Both pieces I had heard MTL fans eager to sell. And even then, it's mostly for cap reasons. Throw in some picks and prospects to balance, and I think you have a good framework.

I don't know what you want to trade for a top-4 D if your entire top-6 and D-corp is off the table. No one is selling for picks and prospects.

If you are serious about a cup run, that trade makes you better now and opens cap for the future. You can replace Patches in UFA after a deep run.

So I have Markov, Petry, Weber, Beaulieu, Emelin ahead of Dillon. 3.2m for a 6D is bad, and on top of that he's not on upgrade on any of our LD so he wouldnt play. The fact you think this is a fair deal is hilarious. Would you trade Couture with an add for Plekanec at 50% and Emelin? This addresses none of our needs and downgrades one of our biggest need in LW. Especially taking off 60pt 30-40 goal scorer with defensive upside at a good cap hit. Inform yourself before you make proposals like this.

I never said that was off the table, or you're just putting words in my mouth. Dillon isnt an upgrade, and we're not taking an expiring contract of a 37year old while giving back an elite goalscorer and a young defencemen.

So bad

 

[Juxtaposer]

Chronic knee problems. And I agree, Hertl has been one of our best players this year. But you at least gotta consider the risks of that knee taking him down permanently.

There is literally no situation where trading Hertl makes sense unless it's 1-for-1 for a player like Galchenyuk (chill Habs fans, I'm not suggesting it). You can't give up your future #1C for parts because he might have chronic knee problems that might "take him down permanently.

So I have Markov, Petry, Weber, Beaulieu, Emelin ahead of Dillon. 3.2m for a 6D is bad, and on top of that he's not on upgrade on any of our LD so he wouldnt play. The fact you think this is a fair deal is hilarious. Would you trade Couture with an add for Plekanec at 50% and Emelin? This addresses none of our needs and downgrades one of our biggest need in LW. Especially taking off 60pt 30-40 goal scorer with defensive upside at a good cap hit. Inform yourself before you make proposals like this.

I never said that was off the table, or you're just putting words in my mouth. Dillon isnt an upgrade, and we're not taking an expiring contract of a 37year old while giving back an elite goalscorer and a young defencemen.

So bad

Holy moly, you think Emelin is ahead of Dillon? Yikes on yikes on yikes. Sysreq's proposal is bad no doubt, but that particular opinion is really bad.

 

[Sysreq]

So I have Markov, Petry, Weber, Beaulieu, Emelin ahead of Dillon. 3.2m for a 6D is bad, and on top of that he's not on upgrade on any of our LD so he wouldnt play. The fact you think this is a fair deal is hilarious. Would you trade Couture with an add for Plekanec at 50% and Emelin? This addresses none of our needs and downgrades one of our biggest need in LW. Especially taking off 60pt 30-40 goal scorer with defensive upside at a good cap hit. Inform yourself before you make proposals like this.

I never said that was off the table, or you're just putting words in my mouth. Dillon isnt an upgrade, and we're not taking an expiring contract of a 37year old while giving back an elite goalscorer and a young defencemen.

So bad

Sounds like your not really in the market for a top-4 defenseman than. Got more than enough by your count.

Guess I'll go look into Krejci, that 60 pt winger that's on the table for a top-4. Or maybe NYR is ready, I think it was Kevin Hayes was their offer... He seems likely to hit 60 pts this year. Maybe Tartar+ would get it done, he is only a 50 pt guy though. So many choices and so few sellers. Maybe you can get Chara from Boston for futures?

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Holy moly, you think Emelin is ahead of Dillon? Yikes on yikes on yikes. Sysreq's proposal is bad no doubt, but that particular opinion is really bad.

Emelin isnt bad, he's been great this year though paired with Weber but he's held his own. He doesn't turn it over, plays positionally and delivers solid hits. Yes I have him ahead of Dillon, and Im sure some fans will agree with me

Sounds like your not really in the market for a top-4 defenseman than. Got more than enough by your count.

Guess I'll go look into Krejci, that 60 pt winger that's on the table for a top-4. Or maybe NYR is ready, I think it was Kevin Hayes was their offer... He seems likely to hit 60 pts this year. Maybe Tartar+ would get it done, he is only a 50 pt guy though. So many choices and so few sellers. Maybe you can get Chara from Boston for futures?

What

 

[Quiksilver*]

Remember last year when Bergevin said trades take months and months to come together? He's probably been working since September to secure Micheal Haley for a 7th round pick.

 

[Sysreq]

What

Teams looking for top-4 defenders:

Oilers
Bruins
Red Wings
Rangers
Canucks
Sabres
Canadians
Leafs
Devil's

Basically a good third of the league has come out and said they need another top-4 defenseman, non-rental.

The cost of Adam Larrson, a young, big-bodied, fast defender on a good contract was Taylor Hall. Now Brenden Dillion is not Adam Larrson. Don't mistake me. Given a market with as much demand and such limited supply, the price is gonna be higher than I think you suspect though.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Teams looking for top-4 defenders:

Oilers
Bruins
Red Wings
Rangers
Canucks
Sabres
Canadians
Leafs
Devil's

Basically a good third of the league has come out and said they need another top-4 defenseman, non-rental.

The cost of Adam Larrson, a young, big-bodied, fast defender on a good contract was Taylor Hall. Now Brenden Dillion is not Adam Larrson. Don't mistake me. Given a market with as much demand and such limited supply, the price is gonna be higher than I think you suspect though.

Larsson is a great player at a low cap hit and more like a 2D. Devils have been really good defensively the past years because of him and Schneider. Dillon does not even come close to that value. Patch is miles ahead in every facet from play to contract to leadership etc...

We don't need a top 4 D. Weber, Petry, Markov, Emelin has been great, and we can always plug Beaulieu in there too. We're not losing our best LW and captain for a bottom pairing D

 

[Sysreq]

Larsson is a great player at a low cap hit and more like a 2D. Devils have been really good defensively the past years because of him and Schneider. Dillon does not even come close to that value. Patch is miles ahead in every facet from play to contract to leadership etc...

We don't need a top 4 D. Weber, Petry, Markov, Emelin has been great, and we can always plug Beaulieu in there too. We're not losing our best LW and captain for a bottom pairing D

Right - it doesn't sound like you are really looking to acquire a top-4 defenseman. I mean your GM is, he has said as much, but it doesn't sound like you are. If the core of your argument is "we don't need one" then how can we possible come to an agreement regarding the value of a top-4 defender to your team?

Beyond that, it's not exactly like Patches is a favorite of management. It was reported from several sources that either your GM or Coach called him the "worst captain in team history." And that's a quote. Sure the team denied it, but they also denied the Subban rumors. Look how that turned out.

Point being: Based on team needs and market values, I said by my proposal. If SJS and MTL execute a trade, Dillion + Marleau for Patches would be what I expect to see. Alternatively, something around Goldobin for McCarron would work if it was purely futures. But they appear to be scouting rostered players.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Right - it doesn't sound like you are really looking to acquire a top-4 defenseman. I mean your GM is, he has said as much, but it doesn't sound like you are. If the core of your argument is "we don't need one" then how can we possible come to an agreement regarding the value of a top-4 defender to your team?

Beyond that, it's not exactly like Patches is a favorite of management. It was reported from several sources that either your GM or Coach called him the "worst captain in team history." And that's a quote. Sure the team denied it, but they also denied the Subban rumors. Look how that turned out.

Point being: Based on team needs and market values, I said by my proposal. If SJS and MTL execute a trade, Dillion + Marleau for Patches would be what I expect to see. Alternatively, something around Goldobin for McCarron would work if it was purely futures. But they appear to be scouting rostered players.

Purely hearsay. Someone told someone's relative that a friend of a friend overheard a clubhouse conversation, where the coach might have mumbled it after a few drinks.

Seriously, that's pretty much what all it was.