Confirmed with Link: Sharks acquire Jake Walman and 2nd round pick 2024 (#53) for future considerations

[Hodge]

What a childish response.

They’re not my precious models, they’re a tool for evaluation.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805696036679061915

Here are several models with differing evaluations of him as a player. I didn't find one that said he was one of the worst players in the NHL last year.

I don't need to accept your opinion as fact, or find the validity in it, because when asked, you make no effort to provide any support for it. Once again, an appeal to authority requires supporting evidence. Repeating yourself incessantly does not count as proof, and neither does sarcasm or petty insults. If you try to support your position, people will take you seriously, but you're not giving anyone a reason to.

Do you know how to read your own charts? Here, I made it easier for you:

The part in the red circle is what shows Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season. You're welcome.

Could you link to those? I did some digging today and nothing I found showed anything of the sort, especially when you consider his usage.

See above but also on the most basic level the Red Wings 5v5 xGF% last season was 41% with Walman on the ice and 48% with him off.

If you want to blame that entirely on usage be my guest but why would his usage be any different in SJ?

Yeah, Goodrow is barely overpaid at 3.6M x 3 and Walman is an albatross at 3.4 x 2. Keep up with that take

Yeah, a physical two-way center with almost 600 games of experience including two championships is worth more than a guy who has had one good season in his entire career at age 28. I will keep it up with this take.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

I don’t know why people continue to argue with this guy. He’s combative for the sake of it even when he’s clearly wrong.

It's beyond me why there is anybody left on here who doesn't have him blocked. Life is just too short....

 

[Hodge]

It's beyond me why there is anybody left on here who doesn't have him blocked. Life is just too short....

But apparently life is not too short for you to brag about having me on your block list every other week...

 

[Lebanezer]

Do you know how to read your own charts? Here, I made it easier for you:

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The part in the red circle is what shows Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season. You're welcome.

You're still sorely lacking in evidence to support your opinion and only addressing one aspect of what I said shows how incapable you are of doing that.

 

[Jargon]

Anyway, steering this away from “Hodge gets off on being yelled at” hour, I’m curious what other moves Grier has on the backend and whether this spells the end of Ferraro’s time here. We need an RD and get rid of a few guys to remove the logjam. I have to imagine that Muhk is part of next year’s plan.

 

[Hodge]

You're still sorely lacking in evidence to support your opinion and only addressing one aspect of what I said shows how incapable you are of doing that.

What more evidence do I need to support my "Jake Walman has negative trade value" opinion than Jake Walman being traded for negative value?

 

[WSS11]

Do you know how to read your own charts? Here, I made it easier for you:

View attachment 887360

The part in the red circle is what shows Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season. You're welcome.


See above but also on the most basic level the Red Wings 5v5 xGF% last season was 41% with Walman on the ice and 48% with him off.

If you want to blame that entirely on usage be my guest but why would his usage be any different in SJ?


Yeah, a physical two-way center with almost 600 games of experience including two championships is worth more than a guy who has had one good season in his entire career at age 28. I will keep it up with this take.

GP is the crux of your argument now. Perfect. We’ll end it there.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Like any Jewish person, I must always check if someone is part of the tribe.

*EDIT: I don’t realize Warsofsky was Jewish! I love that. Let’s get Buium and we can be the San Jose Mensches.

We would be the San Jose Jew Crew when we get Buium and resign Kunin. We will then find a way to get the Hughes brothers on the team and Devon Levi in goal.

 

[Jargon]

We would be the San Jose Jew Crew when we get Buium and resign Kunin. We will then find a way to get the Hughes brothers on the team and Devon Levi in goal.

I have made it my mission to get the Hughes brothers in NHL 24 for this very reason... the crown jew(els) of our tribe in the NHL.

 

[Star Platinum]

I don’t know why people continue to argue with this guy. He’s combative for the sake of it even when he’s clearly wrong.

People like to argue. Especially when there's no real life consequences to it.

Anyhow, here's some highlights if people want to take a look.

 

[Lebanezer]

What more evidence do I need to support my "Jake Walman has negative trade value" opinion than Jake Walman being traded for negative value?

Something that proves he has negative value beyond the trade itself. There are a myriad of reasons why he could have been traded. Hypothetically speaking, say MG and his pro scouting team really like Walman and think he's good, and they also know that Yzerman is desperate for cap space. Squeezing out a good middle pairing dman and a 2nd for nothing is great work and is more in line with what the models are saying about Walman than the sheer fact that Mike Grier made a great trade. Jumping to Walman being bad isn't taking any of those possibilities into account. Especially when the information that is available to fans says Walman does not have negative value.

 

[Jargon]

People like to argue. Especially when there's no real life consequences to it.

Anyhow, here's some highlights if people want to take a look.

He looks like he'd be the best defenseman on our team by a country mile.

 

[Hodge]

Something that proves he has negative value beyond the trade itself. There are a myriad of reasons why he could have been traded. Hypothetically speaking, say MG and his pro scouting team really like Walman and think he's good, and they also know that Yzerman is desperate for cap space. Squeezing out a good middle pairing dman and a 2nd for nothing is great work and is more in line with what the models are saying about Walman than the sheer fact that Mike Grier made a great trade. Jumping to Walman being bad isn't taking any of those possibilities into account. Especially when the information that is available to fans says Walman does not have negative value.

I just showed you using your own chart that Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season.

Moneypuck xG corroborates this. Red Wings went from being Sharks-level awful with Walman on the ice to just a regular bad team with him off.

If you want to say "it's just one season"...the guy has literally only played two seasons in the NHL. At 28 years old.

 

[tiburon12]

I just showed you using your own chart that Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season.

That chart said he was squarely 25th percentile in WAR. Under the loosest of definitions of "one of the worst" that's a major stretch. If his WAR was <5% sure, but 25% certainly not.

Hyperbole weakens arguments

 

[sharks_dynasty]

People like to argue. Especially when there's no real life consequences to it.

Anyhow, here's some highlights if people want to take a look.

I enjoyed the highlights. He’s a good player. Excited to see him in Teal next season!

 

[CHIshark]

I'm thinking they keep Walman around until Solberg is ready.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

Not possible it could be perfect and one person will find fault with it

It’s like I can see the future

 

[Anomie2029]

I just showed you using your own chart that Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season.

Moneypuck xG corroborates this. Red Wings went from being Sharks-level awful with Walman on the ice to just a regular bad team with him off.

If you want to say "it's just one season"...the guy has literally only played two seasons in the NHL. At 28 years old.

Goodrow - On-ice expected goals - 39.8%, Off-ice expected goals - 51.8%. But you were fine with that because '600 games'.

Meanwhile, Walman did have a poor season. However:

In 2020-21 (24 games): On-ice expected goals - 45.1%, Off-ice expected goals - 42.7%
In 2021-22 (51 games): On-ice expected goals - 49%, Off-ice expected goals - 45.1%
In 2022-23 (63 games): On-ice expected goals - 53.3%, Off-ice expected goals - 45.4%

Do you want me to do Goodrow's on-ice vs off-ice xGF% over the previous seasons with the Rangers, because they haven't been good.

 

[Star Platinum]

I just showed you using your own chart that Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season.

Moneypuck xG corroborates this. Red Wings went from being Sharks-level awful with Walman on the ice to just a regular bad team with him off.

If you want to say "it's just one season"...the guy has literally only played two seasons in the NHL. At 28 years old.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805680930646114589

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Do you know how to read your own charts? Here, I made it easier for you:

View attachment 887360

The part in the red circle is what shows Walman was one of the worst players in the league last season. You're welcome.


See above but also on the most basic level the Red Wings 5v5 xGF% last season was 41% with Walman on the ice and 48% with him off.

If you want to blame that entirely on usage be my guest but why would his usage be any different in SJ?


Yeah, a physical two-way center with almost 600 games of experience including two championships is worth more than a guy who has had one good season in his entire career at age 28. I will keep it up with this take.

As the source of the data itself, I feel inclined to point out that a ~25th percentile performance is better than that of approximately 1/4 of other players.

While being “one of the worst” is impossible to truly prove or disprove without formally defining it, your claim is inaccurate by any reasonable definition. According to the metrics, he played extremely tough minutes and performed poorly. That’s substantially better than Ferraro performs every year according to those same metrics.

 

[Jargon]

As the source of the data itself, I feel inclined to point out that a ~25th percentile performance is better than that of approximately 1/4 of other players.

While being “one of the worst” is impossible to prove or disprove without formally defining it. According to the metrics, he played extremely tough minutes and performed poorly. Poorly is substantially better than Ferraro performs every year according to those same metrics.

hey welcome back, stay a while.

 

[weastern bias]

I just wanted to say--hopefully MG is reading this thread, lol--that I'm personally very thankful for all this activity of late. I succumbed to Covid for the first time over the weekend and lord knows I need all the distractions I can get. Grier basically going full-on video game GM this week certainly is helping, what with all the conversation it's created.

Feel better, the first time I got Covid it sucked, hopefully you're done with the worst of it in short order

 

[SjMilhouse]

We gave up nothing for a guy that could be good or could be bad on a team that will be bad and got a 2nd round pick on top of it. Why is anyone upset? Who cares

Easy GMMG W in my book.

 

[Shark Finn]

Just a friendly reminder that using the Ignore-function can improve your hfboards experience when used correctly.

 

[Bowie22]

We gave up nothing for a guy that could be good or could be bad on a team that will be bad and got a 2nd round pick on top of it. Why is anyone upset? Who cares

Easy GMMG W in my book.

Hodge when there is an uphill argument to be made