Speculation: Sharks 2015-2016 Roster Talk: Rumors, Roster, Proposals. Part III ‎

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Gene Parmesan

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I don't think DeBoer "hates" Smith (don't be so dramatic). I think he is just buried behind better centers and isn't as effective on the wing. His concussion and the play of the other bottom sixers sealed it. If you aren't a star, you can lose your spot to injury.
 

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Oh, I'd have no problem giving Dell a chance either. I think he's likely to be an improvement over Stalock for sure. I was referring to non-goalies in that comment about bringing someone up for the first time ever in this sort of playoff run environment. Bringing up a backup goalie is rather different.

I think your suggestion of bringing up guys to get main guys more rest is interesting, but not sure if the Sharks would do it if they're still in the hunt to win the division. I think they'd definitely chase that if they have a shot at it.

Anyway, depending on who it is and the price, I wouldn't mind the Sharks picking up deadline help at forward too. I do wish we had enough spare parts to be able to afford Ladd, but I don't think there's any chance we'd outbid Chicago, even if we did go in on him. I'm also still all aboard the Kadri hype train, if that could happen too. I guess we'll just have to see how things go.
 

Gene Parmesan

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If Wingels is done for the year then the targets should be Weise or Komarov (Who is most likely suspended). Roussel is likely a no go. Maybe even Chris Neil if he's cheap and has any gas left.
 

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Wingels was getting 3rd/4th line time, and Goodrow or Smith could be good cogs in the spot for a few weeks.

Goldobin has the ability to take regular shifts with the team. I understand it's important to not rush him and it's important to let him ripen, but Sommer has him constantly on a line with Lerg and McCarthy, neither of which make high percentage plays or possess good offensive skill. He would probably instantly become our 3rd best PP forward, and insulating him with talent and skill would allow us to play him wherever he's needed. I think he's earned another look before the end of the season, but Torres, Brown and Smith are likely here until the end of the season, so there isn't room.

Carpenter I'll cede is probably only good enough for the 4th line, but he's an instant upgrade on Mike Brown...

I'd imagine Zubrus is gone, but I wouldn't be upset if we re-upped him for a year.

Obvious choice would be smith, but DeBoer... and he didn't show anything good earlier in the year.

I actually like Carpenter over all of them for the call up. Not the flashiest, but the least likely to hurt the team.

Goodrow is good for a game or two, but as a regular he is a big "step back". Don't really like what he brings to a bottom 6 in the NHL.

Love Goldobin, but would rather let him continue to target camp next year and focus on getting the Barracuda into the playoffs. Still too much of a liability down the stretch when wins are becoming more important with every game.

No, but Wingels is pretty overrated defensively on this board, and I say that as one of his supporters.

He's a great shot blocker. Agree that he is overrated defensively.

I don't think DeBoer "hates" Smith (don't be so dramatic). I think he is just buried behind better centers and isn't as effective on the wing. His concussion and the play of the other bottom sixers sealed it. If you aren't a star, you can lose your spot to injury.

He never got a chance to show he can be effective as a winger. DeBoer went and got Zubrus, so he was buried on the wing as well. Smith isn't new to playing on the wing, too. Not that Smith looked worth a damn in the six games he got.

Possibly impacted by the concussion, but it certainly looks like DeBoer just doesn't like what Smith brings to the rink. I find it hard to believe he was still suffering from a concussion when he watched the team lose six in a row from the rafters. DeBoer gave him a seat early and never looked back.
 

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If Wingels is done for the year then the targets should be Weise or Komarov (Who is most likely suspended). Roussel is likely a no go. Maybe even Chris Neil if he's cheap and has any gas left.

Wiese has a nice cap hit and probably would cost us a B-tier prospect (Goodrow) and a 3rd.
 

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If Wingels is done for the year then the targets should be Weise or Komarov (Who is most likely suspended). Roussel is likely a no go. Maybe even Chris Neil if he's cheap and has any gas left.

I like Komarov but he might be too expensive. I've seen rumors of us having a little interest in Weise and he might be a good fit and come cheaper.
 

Gene Parmesan

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Obvious choice would be smith, but DeBoer... and he didn't show anything good earlier in the year.

I actually like Carpenter over all of them for the call up. Not the flashiest, but the least likely to hurt the team.

Goodrow is good for a game or two, but as a regular he is a big "step back". Don't really like what he brings to a bottom 6 in the NHL.

Love Goldobin, but would rather let him continue to target camp next year and focus on getting the Barracuda into the playoffs. Still too much of a liability down the stretch when wins are becoming more important with every game.



He's a great shot blocker. Agree that he is overrated defensively.



He never got a chance to show he can be effective as a winger. DeBoer went and got Zubrus, so he was buried on the wing as well. Smith isn't new to playing on the wing, too. Not that Smith looked worth a damn in the six games he got.

Possibly impacted by the concussion, but it certainly looks like DeBoer just doesn't like what Smith brings to the rink. I find it hard to believe he was still suffering from a concussion when he watched the team lose six in a row from the rafters. DeBoer gave him a seat early and never looked back.


Even last year he was better at Center than Wing in my opinion. Personally it doesn't matter to me who steps in as long as they make use of the 7-9 minutes they get.
 

Gene Parmesan

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I don't think replacing Wingels is the issue since Karlsson is already that type of player and will fit in with Cooch and Donnie. Its finding a 4th line winger who can grind and bang and cycle with Zubrus and Tierney and keep that line playing well.
 

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Its finding a 4th line winger who can grind and bang and cycle with Zubrus and Tierney and keep that line playing well.

Oh pls no. We already know who the org thinks that is in the system (not brown) and his name rhymes with Trevor Daley.

I'd like to see Carpenter up. Not the best grinder along the boards/cycle but he's tenacious on the forecheck and will battle it out in front of the net for the greasy goals.
 

Gene Parmesan

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Oh pls no. We already know who the org thinks that is in the system (not brown) and his name rhymes with Trevor Daley.

I'd like to see Carpenter up. Not the best grinder but he's tenacious on the forecheck and will grind out the greasy goals.

It'll probably be a deadline addition. Its all dependent on the severity of the Wingels injury. You also ignored the whole keep the 4th line playing well.
 

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Wingels out long term could end up hurting our PK. He and Nieto have been our best PK duo by a pretty significant margin.
 

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I'm no expert by any measure but I think a winning team is built from the net out - no I don't have anything to back that up but that's what I think.

Acquiring a backup this late in the season is not going to do much. Stalock or any backup wouldn't play that much and if Jones gets injured we're screwed anyways. And it's unlikely the "new" backup would save us. Also, throw Dell out there for a game or two. Why not?

I'm thinking our most pressing need at the moment is another NHL caliber defenceman. Injuries do happen and already have happened. Our depth at D is slim and no matter how good they've been, another D wouldn't hurt.

Forwards.. I don't know. D before F in this case, I'd say, just because we have a little more depth at F.

At the right price though, wouldn't mind any addition.
 

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I don't think replacing Wingels is the issue since Karlsson is already that type of player and will fit in with Cooch and Donnie. Its finding a 4th line winger who can grind and bang and cycle with Zubrus and Tierney and keep that line playing well.

Sounds like Weise would be an ideal choice then? He's only got a cap hit of 1.025mil too. UFA after this year, but unless he's looking for a huge raise, we could probably afford to keep him if he works out, and he's only 27.
 

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It'll probably be a deadline addition. Its all dependent on the severity of the Wingels injury. You also ignored the whole keep the 4th line playing well.

I really think that Doug will be quiet this deadline. His only likely move in my eyes is acquiring a backup.
 

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He's having a bad year, huh? just a bad YEAR? Try bad two years.

.911 is his save percentage over the last 3 years? That's because his first year he had an amazing .932 save percentage.

Now add up the last two seasons only, he has a dreadful .896 save percentage. That might even be a league worst for goalies that have started nearly as many games as he has in that time frame. Ray Emery's save percentage in his last 3 seasons combined probably look respectable, thanks to that .922 lockout season in Chicago. That might make the numbers look about average or at least respectable when also calculating in his .903 and .894 over the next two seasons.

And Stalock has now surpassed the amount of games he played in his rookie season, with the last two seasons of play combined. The 13-14 season is looking like the outlier..

Yeah no doubt, I've already said that he's got the benefit of a hot start, which helps his overall numbers. Same with jones. So why does he get a pass? Has he proven anything in this league any more than stalock did? They both had great rookie years, followed by down sophomore years, and now this year their paths have changed, and jones has had the luxury of about 40 more starts to fix some atrocious goaltending stats after his hot start.

Also stalock has not been bad for two years. He was perfectly good his first 8 starts last year, then "bad" for a five game stretch after he officially lost the starting job, turned it around late last year, then sucked this year.

In fact if you take out just the bad 5 game stretch I'm talking about, last year Stalock was .921 and 2.12gaa in his other 14 starts. This once again illustrates how playing less games can screw you over as a goalie, because any small (and five games is small) stretch of poor play can ruin what would otherwise be a statistically good year.

Also as you may have missed it I can point out how the majority of stalocks starts this year came when the team, including jones, we're playing poor hockey, and as bad a stalocks numbers were, jones were only a hairs width better. On top of that I picked out a 13 games sample from just this year where jones was absolutely as terrible as Stalock, which once again goes to my point that looking a small numbers, especially for goalies, can paint wildly different pictures.

Jones stats look better because he's a good goalie who had many more games, during the single best stretch of hockey this team has played to get his numbers back up. Stalock, or any other backup doesn't get this luxury. I do argue that if stalock played 40+ games this year like jones, and specifically during our latest stretch, he too could have better numbers, not as good as jones as I do think he's the obvious better goalie, but better none the less.

So no he hasn't been bad for two years, he's been bad for really just his 9 starts this year, plus 5 last year. Anyways, it seems this conversation has run its course, so I'll just drop it for now.
 

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I don't think replacing Wingels is the issue since Karlsson is already that type of player and will fit in with Cooch and Donnie. Its finding a 4th line winger who can grind and bang and cycle with Zubrus and Tierney and keep that line playing well.

They should just recall Goodrow then.
 

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Legit sources now reporting Subban's name has come up in trade talks.

Would be a DW move for sure.

I just don't see this as a DW move because of how much Subban makes. Plus, it will involve us to move back significant salary. Which would mean moving Couture. I don't see Montreal wanting anything to do with Marleau in a trade for Subban.

I'd offer Burns+

I don't see us trading Burns given his popularity with the team and how good he has been for us.
 

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Burns is way too popular in the dressing room to trade right now. The team wants to add without losing significant roster players. A move like Burns+ for Subban is fine in value, but no need to disrupt the chemistry and energy in the lockerroom.
 

Gene Parmesan

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If Subban is traded it'll be a 1 for 1 deal. Big if though. Say Stamkos for Subban or Duchene for Subban type deal.
 

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I would offer Couture, Jeremy Roy, Timo Meier, and a 2nd for Subban and Eller.

I understand that is a hefty price, but it is relatively in line with other offers being made in the Subban thread.

Vlasic-Braun
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I highly doubt he is actually available but if he is I would do pretty much everything to go out and get him. He is a legitimate Norris #1D and would make our defense easily the best in the NHL.
 
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