Speculation: Sharks 2015-2016 Roster Talk: Rumors, Roster, Proposals. Part III ‎

[DG93]

No thanks to Polak. With Hamhuis, it depends on the price.

 

[pappaf2]

No thanks to Polak. With Hamhuis, it depends on the price.

I can't remember, is Polak ufa this year? I know hamhuis is.

I was really hopping DW was going to sign hamhuis when he was ufa a few years ago.

 

[hohosaregood]

Welcome back to SJ Brad Stuart. Your presence was sorely missed. It's no wonder we haven't been playing as well as we could have.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It should be pretty obvious that they're looking for one but it's hard for me to believe any specifics from Dreger. lol

 

[magic school bus]

FireDougWilson.com

 

[hohosaregood]

They're starting to argue about racism in the NHL over at ftf now.

 

[KirbyDots]

 

[hohosaregood]

Hmm who are some defensemen form Winnipeg, Nashville,NJ, and CBJ that we would want.

 

[matt trick]

I really, really want us to add another NHL quality d-man, but man I feel like Polak is the wrong guy. With that said, I don't think there is a right guy- say an offensive leaning #5 who can help a PP while not being a tire fire in their own end- who will be available for a 2nd or better. Even if there was, do I want to give up a 2nd for a #5?

Maybe, maybe not.

We need this year's equivalent of MTLs Jeff Petry or Marek Zidlicky deals. in 2014, the Andrej Mersazos deal may have been similar, I can't recall his level of play at that time.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I miss the old FeartheFin with Plank as the owner. It's kind of a dead community now.

You guys seriously need to ease up on the guy heading up FTF right now. I'm pretty sure's only like 17 and he's taken on a lot because nobody else stepped up.

Winnipeg is definitely there because Florida wants Ladd. Nashville might be there for Marleau/whoever Poile and DW were chatting about.

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

Nashville has been scouting the Sharks a lot the past few weeks

 

[matt trick]

Nashville has been scouting the Sharks a lot the past few weeks

Safe bet they are looking at Ladd as well.

 

[magic school bus]

The author couldn't even justify that trade from Montreal's perspective. His rationale for the trade is desperation and stupidity based on the criticisms Subban is getting because of the color of his skin. It's just an absolutely awful piece of work.



I don't see wasteful spending in the past as justification for wasteful spending now or in the future. 5 mil is reasonable on goaltending but 2 mil on the backup isn't. And while the difference between that and what will likely be going rate in the market is probably only around 500k, I see that as significant when a team may look into improving its team at the deadline. You have to maintain a balance of building for now and for the future. You have to pick your spots on what to upgrade, when to upgrade it, and what to spend on it. The dramatic drop-off between Jones and Stalock now doesn't mean a whole lot. It's something that can be addressed in the off-season with a slew of decent to good available backup goalies in the free agent market. You're not going to get a lot out of Bernier this season if traded for and probably not next season either being relegated to backup duties. He's certainly not someone to get excited about acquiring.

Besides, I think getting Toronto to retain on Bernier and get him on the cheap is a pipe dream. The off-season will probably open up some trade options to places like Carolina or Calgary. Or they will give him one last kick at the can if Reimer walks.

Who cares if the backup makes $2M if the starter makes $3M? It's about helping the team win as much as possible (especially in our division when the winner avoids (LA/Anaheim). Resigning yourself to losing the 10% or 20% of the games Stalock starts is just dumb at this point.

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

Safe bet they are looking at Ladd as well.

Maybe but why would they be scouting the Sharks if they're looking at Ladd? Ladd isn't in this game.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Maybe but why would they be scouting the Sharks if they're looking at Ladd? Ladd isn't is this game.

They're likely scouting Florida, since Florida wants Ladd.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

They're likely scouting Florida, since Florida wants Ladd.

Right, that explains Winnipeg scouting them but not Nashville scouting them.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Right, that explains Winnipeg scouting them but not Nashville scouting them.

Damn, I didn't even read the post you had responded too. My bad. It was probably a typo.

 

[Coy]

You guys seriously need to ease up on the guy heading up FTF right now. I'm pretty sure's only like 17 and he's taken on a lot because nobody else stepped up.

All I said is that I wish Plank was still running it. I'm pretty sure the dude who runs it is a college graduate so definitely not 17.

 

[Juxtaposer]

All I said is that I wish Plank was still running it. I'm pretty sure the dude who runs it is a college graduate so definitely not 17.

Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out. I just wanted to make the point and your post happened to be the first one I saw on the topic. Regardless of his age, I think we need to chill on the topic.

 

[Bizz]

All I said is that I wish Plank was still running it. I'm pretty sure the dude who runs it is a college graduate so definitely not 17.

Mentally, he's 3.

 

[Bizz]

They're starting to argue about racism in the NHL over at ftf now.

Par for the course for comment sections on sites run by Vox media. Their progressive agenda is sickening.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Would be hilarious if Hamhuis is a Shark before Feb 28. He would then face his former team 5 times in 5 weeks.

 

[Led Zappa]

Par for the course for comment sections on sites run by Vox media. Their progressive agenda is sickening.

The pol board is this away - POL

 

[Bizz]

The pol board is this away - POL

yeah I know, I'll lay off the politics a bit, getting too off topic.

 

[Dicdonya]

Who cares if the backup makes $2M if the starter makes $3M? It's about helping the team win as much as possible (especially in our division when the winner avoids (LA/Anaheim). Resigning yourself to losing the 10% or 20% of the games Stalock starts is just dumb at this point.

Tell me how many games another backup will guarantee us we win. How do you know another backup won't also lose a bunch of his games for us, coming to a new team, at the end of the year.

I'll disagree about the long term benefit being zero, depending on who we pick up. For example, Kuemper from the Wild (who Wild fans have indicated is definitely available) is only 25, has a cap hit of 1.25 mil, and is an RFA after this season, so still pretty cost controlled. I'm more than willing to spend a 4th round pick on a 25 year old backup goalie who's shown some decent skill at the NHL level, and could be with us for some time. I mean, he's only played 15 games this year, but he's got a 2.28 GAA, and a 0.918 save%. Compare that to Stalock, who is sporting a 2.94 and 0.884 in 13 games on a better team.

So yeah, I'd be willing to spend a 4th on him. Maybe even a bit more. There are other similar goalies we could look into acquiring as well. I understand entirely not wanting to pay big costs for someone like Reimer, I wouldn't do that either. But that's not the only kind of backup we could acquire. The only reason I went along with Bernier in that Leafs proposal is because it got us Kadri. I have zero interest in Bernier on his own. But Kuemper, or someone like him, now that I'd be willing to spend for.

Your first paragraph is exactly why I can't stand all the hate stalock is getting this year. You're using a 13(9 starts) games sample size as your proof, or argument, or whatever you want to call it, and completely ignoring the larger sample of 48 games he's played before this year. If you exclude this years stats, stalock has 2.24 gaa and .917 sv%. That's great for a backup. Even with this years stats, stalock has 2.39gaa and .911 sv% over the last three years. Keumper has 2.47gaa and .912 sv% over the same period.

So seeing as how they are basically identical, I'd love to know why everyone, and you, are so certain a backup of keumpers ability is going to provide long term benefit over stalock. Why did just about everyone give jones a pass when he had a rough stretch this year, because he "earned it" by playing well early in the year, but no one gives stalock a pass for his horrible 9 starts this year, despite having FAR more games with above average to great stats in years past

Another fun stat, Stalock as a shark 46 starts- 2.37gaa .911sv%, jones in 46 starts as a shark 9.34gaa .916sv%. Sure different situations and circumstances, but its actually a better comparison, simply due to sample size then you're attemp to compare keumper and stalock this year.

Just for some more reasons why everyone is irrationally hating stalock, based on insanely small sample sizes, let's look at several potential goaltenders I've seen suggested we should trade for and see how they compare to stalock over the last three years.

Stalock- 2.37gaa .911sv%
Keumper- 2.47gaa .912sv%
Scrivens- 2.92gaa .904sv%
Bernier- 2.83gaa .915sv%
Khudobin- 2.52gaa .914sv%
Hiller-2.55gaa .910sv%
Johnson- 2.50 .913sv%
Ramo- 2.63gaa .911sv%
Berra- 2.82gaa .906sv%

So please, can everyone shut the hell up about how bad stalock is, he's having a horrible year, that's it, he's just fine overall as a backup, if you back the **** up and actually look at more than a 13 game sample size. The fact everyone except PF is ready to throw money and picks/prospects away for someone who will affect basically 6 games this year, simply because stalock's having a bad year, just proves how little some people look ahead, and behind and only focus on what makes them feel best right now.

Stalock has just as good a chance as any of those backup goaltenders to string together 6 good games to end the year.