Proposal: Shane Pinto for Kevin Fiala

[EXTRAS]

Yeah gotta agree Rossi>>>Pinto

Don't consider Pinto A list

 

[Sota Popinski]

Pinto has already sniffed the NHL so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that using a players NCAA accolades to project NHL success is idiotic

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Not a fan of either team but Rossi>>>Pinto

While I agree Rossi is the better prospect, Pinto’s size advantage means he’ll be the more effective two way centre in the NHL, whereas Rossi its still up in the air whether he’ll play C or Wing in the NHL.
It’s not as sizable of a gap as you’re saying it is.
Ottawa should NOT be trading a prospect the caliber of Pinto for Fiala. Simple as that. Not interested from Ottawa’s perspective.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

While I agree Rossi is the better prospect, Pinto’s size advantage means he’ll be the more effective two way centre in the NHL, whereas Rossi its still up in the air whether he’ll play C or Wing in the NHL.
It’s not as sizable of a gap as you’re saying it is.
Ottawa should NOT be trading a prospect the caliber of Pinto for Fiala. Simple as that. Not interested from Ottawa’s perspective.

While that may be your opinion from a organizational POV I think they’d disagree

 

[habsterr]

Yeah gotta agree Rossi>>>Pinto

Don't consider Pinto A list

This. Someone is overrating Pinto

 

[NyQuil]

My point is that using a players NCAA accolades to project NHL success is idiotic

Most Senators fans are more excited about what he's shown in the NHL in his injury-shortened stints than what he did in the NCAA.

If you guys aren't interested, that's fine. I think we'd be happy to keep Shane.

We haven't had this kind of potential centre depth perhaps ever with Norris-Stutzle-Pinto.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Was it a career year or a breakthrough season? There are many examples of guys exploding for one season only to come back down to earth the rest of their careers.

Vincent Trocheck.. 75 pts in 17-18. He was one of the most coveted players after that season. Since, he has settled back as a good but not great top 6 forward.

Pinto is tracking to be a good 50 point 2-way centerman in the NHL. Giving him up for Fiala is fair, but I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on that deal.

Fiala has 179 points in the last 196 games (= last three seasons). That‘s three season‘s worth of points at 75 points each 82 games. It‘s not some outlier one season.

 

[BruinLVGA]

There are so many wingers like Fiala in the NHL, dime a dozen - but you're hard pressed to find centres like Pinto and teams don't trade these types of centre prospects.

His 85 points are good for 22nd in the NHL, for ANY POSITION. For left wingers, he‘s 8th overall. Considering ALL wingers, he‘s 11th overall. Your statement is idiotic.

 

[Akrapovince]

I would say no strictly because of team control and potential longevity of career.

I would not expect Pinto to ever have a season that has come close to Fiala’s most recent season, but it just doesn’t make sense to move on from Pinto and probably a roster player and first round draft pick.

First round pick .925m
Pinto .925m
6-7m of free agent signings
(Think Palat, maybe not perfect fit and can’t obviously guarantee he comes here but you get the idea).

At worse if Pinto or the first round prospect doesn’t pan out, you still get a player from free agency that has just a solid of shot of being effective and has a resume as extensive as Fiala’s, and you get two free shots at the dart board. For the same cap hit.

We are in no rush to add Fiala. Especially at the cost he deserves. We are not a Fiala away from winning the cup or even making the playoffs.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

There are so many wingers like Fiala in the NHL, dime a dozen - but you're hard pressed to find centres like Pinto and teams don't trade these types of centre prospects.

Dang then it’s even more depressing it took us 10 years after Gaborik to find an offensive player this good

 

[UglyPuckling]

Pinto is an A list prospect. And if you don’t know this I suggest you do some more research on the player to become more informed..

I agree that Ottawa should look to the UFA market first.

It's obvious that many of the posters here don't follow prospects (and/or players that have played a few NHL games), and don't really know anything about Pinto.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I like pinto, but he missed most of this year and will be 22 next season without much NHL experience. Would much prefer 7OA

 

[Akrapovince]

I like pinto, but he missed most of this year and will be 22 next season without much NHL experience. Would much prefer 7OA

They would both have to be going the other way for us to acquire Fiala with a contract extension I would figure.

The myth that teams that are forced to trade players for cap restraints or a players undesire to re-sign is ridiculous. Everyone would just bid to regular market value or a hair below, unless we are talking about a player limiting his team’s options with a NMC.

Example: If you had no money and had to auction a 5$ voucher, and everyone wanted that 5$ voucher, the bidding would just go to 4.99 at the worse case scenario. This example doesn’t exactly work perfectly because the voucher has an actual exact value, but still with that in consideration it still proves my point further, as Fiala doesn’t not have an exact value.

1st + blue chip prospect for 85 point winger seems to be the normal. Maybe something small the other way because of the top ten selection but some variation of first + prospect + roster player would probably be needed for Fiala.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

They would both have to be going the other way for us to acquire Fiala with a contract extension I would figure.

The myth that teams that are forced to trade players for cap restraints or a players undesire to re-sign is ridiculous. Everyone would just bid to regular market value or a hair below, unless we are talking about a player limiting his team’s options with a NMC.

Example: If you had no money and had to auction a 5$ voucher, and everyone wanted that 5$ voucher, the bidding would just go to 4.99 at the worse case scenario. This example doesn’t exactly work perfectly because the voucher has an actual exact value, but still with that in consideration it still proves my point further, as Fiala doesn’t not have an exact value.

1st + blue chip prospect for 85 point winger seems to be the normal. Maybe something small the other way because of the top ten selection but some variation of first + prospect + roster player would probably be needed for Fiala.

I would love that, but I doubt it. I think we’ll get 7th + 2nd + mid tier prospect

 

[Akrapovince]

I would love that, but I doubt it. I think we’ll get 7th + 2nd + mid tier prospect

Mid tier being prospects such as Thomson/Jarventie/Bernard-Docker?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Mid tier being prospects such as Thomson/Jarventie/Bernard-Docker?

Yeah, maybe even worse

 

[yogibear]

C Shane Pinto



W Kevin Fiala


Simple trade, Wild get one of the best 2-way centre prospects in hockey for their top-6 winger.

I prefer to keep Pinto. Why is the wild trying to ditch Fiala? Cap issues most likely.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Hadn’t seen a lot of Fiala outside of clips and when he played the Sens - looked/looks good - watched more in the playoffs and wasn’t especially impressed, the playoffs are still hard and heavy and he didn’t seem to get much going - if he isn’t scoring/getting points what else is he doing?
I was initially gung ho on trying to trade for him with the 7th and a lesser prospect but not sure anymore, and while something around Pinto might be fair I’d rather keep Pinto and our Center depth.

Ottawas best move is a UFA, keep the pick, keep our players.
If we are trading I don’t mind it being a big one including our 1st, and a high end prospect, roster player - but for that I want a big mobile top 3 D man, or a a more robust scoring winger.

 

[Boud]

Pinto has already sniffed the NHL so I'm not sure what your point is.

Just like Kuznetsov eh

 

[Sting]

Pinto's value is not high around the league because he didn't get to showcase himself this year. Tack on the fact that he is an Ottawa prospect and you won't get anyone giving him fair value.

7th for Fiala is more than fair.

 

[stempniaksen]

I'm a Sens fan who wants Fiala quite badly, guy is probably my top target this off-season and I'll be happy as a clam if the Sens trade for him.

All that being said, I hope like hell Pinto isn't the guy going back. It's not that the value is off, but the Senators are extremely thin at Center behind Stutzle (who seems to have made the shift) and Norris. Keeping Pinto and allowing him to develop slowly behind the other two options would (I assume) be the teams first choice. Having these three guys up the middle for the next decade would be an absolute nightmare for the opposition.

If Wild fans don't view Pinto as an absolute rock star A lister the way Sens fans do it's entirely understandable, but I also think this means we'd have an easier time coming to a concensus (as fans) on a Fiala to Ottawa deal based around #7 overall + some combination of JBD/Thomson/Kleven/Roger/Greig (hopefully not)/Sokolov/Jarventie/Boucher/Ostapchuk/Lodin/Gustavsson/Merilainen/Draft Picks

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dang then it’s even more depressing it took us 10 years after Gaborik to find an offensive player this good

Then we proceeded to find an even better offensive player one year after Fiala arrived lol.

 

[Groo]

Pinto's value is not high around the league because he didn't get to showcase himself this year. Tack on the fact that he is an Ottawa prospect and you won't get anyone giving him fair value.

7th for Fiala is more than fair.

WTF does being an Ottawa prospect matter
Climb down off that cross

 

[Sting]

WTF does being an Ottawa prospect matter
Climb down off that cross

I was half joking with my comment there but there is some truth to that. I think you're seeing it a bit with Nick Paul. It's not specific to Ottawa either. Small market, non-playoff teams don't get nearly the same hype around their players. I can't blame people for not viewing Pinto highly because he was injured all year.

Take a guy like Josh Norris though, pacing for a 40+ goal season and literally just turned 23. Literally zero buzz about it. The way she goes.

My point though is that hype does play a factor in player value. You shouldn't trade players whose value is not nearly what it'll be a year from now.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I think fans around the league are really underrating Pinto... honestly, if he wasn't hurt, I don't even know that we'd be having this discussion because he looked poised to be the #2C we needed (which then pushes Stutzle to the wing which then eliminates/lessens the need for a top 6 W).

Pinto is as close to a locked-in 50+pt 2-way beast as you can get. I see no world in which he isn't a very good match-up C who can bring even strength offence, is a good PKer, and is a dangerous shooting/bumper option on the PP. He's a really good, really NHL-ready prospect.

Not saying he returns Fiala on his own, but I also don't think the 7th overall is vastly different in value from Pinto. In fact, wouldn't be surprised at all if we'd rather trade the 7th.