Player Discussion Shane Pinto (C) - PART 2

[Gil Gunderson]

Saw this coming from a mile away. Stop pulling this shit with him.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Well this is f***ing concerning. How about you don’t let him get signed by another team that could potentially f*** up your cap structure even when you match the offer.

 

[h2]

Watch Vegas be the team with the offer sheet lol

 

[Crosside]

Trade him tonight

 

[Senator Stanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807526761841775058

Why not try, if you're the agent? You know Ottawa is likely to match, so if you can get another team to offer what you've been asking for in your negotiations (or a lot more), then great.

I still think it's unlikely we see one - it's just such a hard tool to use. The other team has to offer enough so that Ottawa might actually consider not matching, but what you offer also has to be a number you can make work and live with. And then after you make your offer, you have to wait up to seven days after it's been accepted - while the rest of the league gets its summer business done - to see if you're on the hook for the money.

Add in the fact that only seven teams currently have the picks to make an offer over the $6.87M threshold (and anything below that I don't think has any chance of going unmatched), and you start to really decrease the odds of it happening.

But who knows - Pinto's good, and teams like young centres.

 

[inthewings]

I like Pinto as a player, but I wonder if he's wearing out his welcome with management. Cost himself half a season acting like an idiot, now he's publicly soliciting offer sheets through his agent. He's making himself awfully annoying.

 

[Cosmix]

Why not try, if you're the agent? You know Ottawa is likely to match, so if you can get another team to offer what you've been asking for in your negotiations (or a lot more), then great.

I still think it's unlikely we see one - it's just such a hard tool to use. The other team has to offer enough so that Ottawa might actually consider not matching, but what you offer also has to be a number you can make work and live with. And then after you make your offer, you have to wait up to seven days after it's been accepted - while the rest of the league gets its summer business done - to see if you're on the hook for the money.

Add in the fact that only seven teams currently have the picks to make an offer over the $6.87M threshold (and anything below that I don't think has any chance of going unmatched), and you start to really decrease the odds of it happening.

But who knows - Pinto's good, and teams like young centres.

What must a team pay if they offer sheet Pinto at over the $6.87M threshold?

Did a search and found this:

Offer Sheet Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

NHL Offer Sheet calculator which determines which NHL teams have the required compensation to submit an offer sheet.

www.capfriendly.com

 

[Senator Stanley]

What must a team pay if they offer sheet Pinto at over the $6.87M threshold?

First, second and third, unless it's over $9.16M.

The teams who have the picks to do it are Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Nashville, NYI, Philly and Seattle.

Offer Sheet Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

NHL Offer Sheet calculator which determines which NHL teams have the required compensation to submit an offer sheet.

www.capfriendly.com

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Why not try, if you're the agent? You know Ottawa is likely to match, so if you can get another team to offer what you've been asking for in your negotiations (or a lot more), then great.

I still think it's unlikely we see one - it's just such a hard tool to use. The other team has to offer enough so that Ottawa might actually consider not matching, but what you offer also has to be a number you can make work and live with. And then after you make your offer, you have to wait up to seven days after it's been accepted - while the rest of the league gets its summer business done - to see if you're on the hook for the money.

Add in the fact that only seven teams currently have the picks to make an offer over the $6.87M threshold (and anything below that I don't think has any chance of going unmatched), and you start to really decrease the odds of it happening.

But who knows - Pinto's good, and teams like young centres.

Boston would love to add him

We don't have to worry the way we draft

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

That’s not good if true.

Here’s hoping someone isn’t willing to go to a 6.6 route

Would make sense for Boston I think.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Boston would love to add him

They can't go above $6.87M, unless they found a way to acquire their 2nd rounder back from Washington.

Ottawa would be pissed to pay $6.7M, but I think they would.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

They can't go above $6.87M, unless they found a way to acquire back the pick(s) they're missing.

Ottawa would be pissed to pay $6.7M, but I think they would.

he won't get an AAV over that imo

 

[Senator Stanley]

he won't get an AAV over that imo

Right, but then why would a team even make the offer when Ottawa is almost certainly going to match?

It's only worth it to make the offer if you think Ottawa might not match, and Ottawa only considers not matching once the AAV gets silly.

 

[Cosmix]

They can't go above $6.87M, unless they found a way to acquire their 2nd rounder back from Washington.

Ottawa would be pissed to pay $6.7M, but I think they would.

It would definitely muck up Staios' grand plan!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Right, but then why would a team even make the offer when Ottawa is almost certainly going to match?

It's only worth it to make the offer if you think Ottawa might not match, and Ottawa only considers not matching once the AAV gets silly.

Ottawa could be in a pickle and it could prevent Ottawa from making other moves to improve their team or force them to make other moves they'd rather not. If Ottawa wanted to pay Pinto 5+ with term it would be done. Why don't they .. imo because they want the flexibility to do other things.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

A 4 year offer sheet will hurt us. Get it done tonight Steve.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Ottawa could be in a pickle and it could prevent Ottawa from making other moves to improve their team. If Ottawa wanted to pay Pinto 5+ with term it would be done. Why don't they .. imo because they want the flexibility to do other things.

I get all that, but you have to look at it from the perspective of the other team. f***ing things up for Ottawa is not enough of a reason to do something like this.

You only do it if (1) you love Pinto, (2) you are prepared to pay Pinto well above market value and (3) you believe Ottawa might not match your offer.

So basically, a team has to say "we're willing to pay Pinto over a $6.8M AAV and we're comfortable waiting 7 days - during which we lose all our flexibility to maneuver - to see if Ottawa declines to match."

I'm not saying it won't happen - Carolina and Montreal have done it - but there's a reason why it happens so infrequently.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I get all that, but you have to look at it from the perspective of the other team. f***ing things up for Ottawa is not enough of a reason to do something like this.

You only do it if (1) you love Pinto, (2) you are prepared to pay Pinto well above market value and (3) you believe Ottawa might not match your offer.

So basically, a team has to say "we're willing to pay Pinto over a $6.8M AAV and we're comfortable waiting 7 days - during which we lose all our flexibility to maneuver - to see if Ottawa declines to match."

I'm not saying it won't happen - Carolina and Montreal have done it - but there's a reason why it happens so infrequently.

could be right

 

[Super Cake]

The only way i would consider not matching a offersheet is if the offersheet enters a 1st round pick territory and the team offersheeting him is projected to be bottom 10 next season.

 

[Senator Stanley]

The only way i would consider not matching a offersheet is if the offersheet enters a 1st round pick territory and the team offersheeting him is projected to be bottom 10 next season.

It would definitely include a first as part of the compensation. Nobody is offer sheeting him for less than $4.58M.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I really hate the thought of this.

 

[branch]

Kind of nervous to watch SS handle all of this

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Nvm.

 

[Senscore]

After Kotkaniemi I have to think teams would be even more apprehensive about this.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Cap friendly has Shane Pinto listed as RFA 10.2
And it also says
"

Who can an offer sheet be submitted to?​

An Offer Sheet can be submitted to any player who meets the following criteria:

• The player qualifies as a Group 2 Restricted Free Agent (RFA), or
• The player qualifies as a Group 4 Restricted Free Agent (RFA)

NOTE: Any free agent player who is designated as a Group 1 or 10.2.c Restricted Free Agent or an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) [Groups 3, 5 or 6], are not eligible to receive an Offer Sheet.


So is he even eligible? I trust CF more than Bruce.

Cap Friendly has his expiry status at the end of his current contract as "RFA", whereas at the expiry of his last contract (i.e. last summer) he was a 10.2.