Confirmed with Link: Shanahan Presser (Video)

[rumman]

Let this meme go forth and flourish:

Welcome to Taco Bell……..

When the dust settles on this… everyone will realize that Shanny is the problem.

He is a narcissist.

I don’t exactly know what Shanahan is, but he’s not the president I thought he’d be, and not worthy of keeping his job going forward imo…….

 

[egd27]

I honestly find it kind of odd that the President of hockey operations of a multi billion dollar corporation comes out to a press conference and spills the entire story of private behind-the-doors negotiations between management personnel.............


Did Dubas know that his boss would come out to a public presentation and re-hash their private interactions to a bunch of media vultures like that? Talk about deceit!!

What is a future GM going to think about this? That every time Shanahan and I discuss a contract, he's going to turn around and air out the whole thing to the media scum at a press conference if I decide to not sign the deal?


something stinks there, the whole press conference isn't at face value because professionals like that don't do things like this


they can say whatever they want at a press conference but the reality is that none of us have any idea of what's really going on behind these multi-billion dollar corporations' closed doors

Shanahan is smart enough to realize that Dubas has some media "spokespeople" like Mirtle and Johnston that will report his side of any story and so he went first to get his side out.

*I recognize there are two sides.

 

[Budz]

Shanny 100% needs to also be fired.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Shanny 100% needs to also be fired.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but on what basis do you believe should he be fired?

 

[Budz]

He’s botched the whole situation and was essentially acting as the GM.

Matthews will now not resign.

Get ready for the rebuild. It’s coming.

 

[Maple Leaf]

He’s botched the whole situation and was essentially acting as the GM.

Matthews will now not resign.

Get ready for the rebuild. It’s coming.

Good maybe they will do it properly this time

 

[Maple Leaf]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but on what basis do you believe should he be fired?

This guy has done nothing and fired the GM based on some weird email shit and has no plan

 

[Budz]

Good maybe they will do it properly this time

….and you trust Shanny to do it?

Why? I’m interested.

 

[ShaneFalco]

He’s botched the whole situation and was essentially acting as the GM.

Matthews will now not resign.

Get ready for the rebuild. It’s coming.

Oh the drama because Kyle fricken Dubas won't be back

 

[Budz]

Oh the drama because Kyle fricken Dubas won't be back

I think it’s exposed both Dubas and Shanny as rotten, for different reasons.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think it’s exposed both Dubas and Shanny as rotten, for different reasons.

I don't disagree. I bet Shanny is on a short leash going forward as he should be

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

This guy has done nothing and fired the GM based on some weird email shit and has no plan

Well I would argue he’s done quite a bit actually—perhaps too much.

What I don’t like is that he seemingly goes in one direction, doesn’t see things through to some type of logical conclusion and then changes direction again.

Case in point, he gets experienced executives in Lou and Babcock, the team is progressing nicely, and then mid stream, he lets Lou leave and goes in the opposite direction and gives the reins to Dubas. He then lets Dubas fire Babcock and hire a coach in Keefe with zero NHL experience.

We started this rebuild process with the mindset that this market, given the nature of the pressure involved, is best suited to being led by experienced executives. The JFJ experiment reinforced that mindset. Yet only a short time later, a 32 year old GM with no NHL experience is chosen to take the GM reins.

Now Shanahan professes he wants to go back to a GM with NHL experience.

In fairness, Shanahan’s biggest responsibility is being ownership’s public spokesperson and team representative, but we don’t know what their role is in any of these direction pivots.

 

[Budz]

I don't disagree. I bet Shanny is on a short leash going forward as he should be

Yet he’s going to get free reign to bring in a new GM, coach and scouting departments.

It’s gonna be some lackey like Benning. I’ve just got a bad feeling.

Would prefer a full clean slate.

 

[Gabriel426]

Could it just be that Dubas wanted to pull a Benning coup but Shanny showed why he is always tougher and meaner than Linden both on and off the ice.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Oh the drama because Kyle fricken Dubas won't be back

To some, Dubas is seemingly irreplaceable. I’m not sure why they think that though. Five years ago, he wasn’t even a GM in the league. And since becoming one, he’s overseen the team winning exactly one playoff round.

Meanwhile, how many other GM’s not named Dubas have won Stanley Cups and won multiple rounds in the playoffs? Many.

One such GM, is a none other than a guy named Lou Lamoriello, who was allowed to walk so that Dubas could replace him.

Like everyone, Dubas is replaceable and I’m not too sure why his cultists think he isn’t, especially given the teams poor playoff performance.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Yet he’s going to get free reign to bring in a new GM, coach and scouting departments.

It’s gonna be some lackey like Benning. I’ve just got a bad feeling.

Would prefer a full clean slate.

So let’s say they clean the slate as you suggest,
who is it that you would hire and what structure would you have?

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

He’s botched the whole situation and was essentially acting as the GM.

Matthews will now not resign.

Get ready for the rebuild. It’s coming.

The Leafs have lots of assets now.

They won’t need to rebuild as they did before. They can trade some of their current assets for other assets be it players, draft picks or cap space.

They’re in much better shape than they were when Lou cleaned house after Nonis and Burke.

They just need to retool and restructure their team especially in relation to the salary cap.

If they hire the right architect, they’ll be fine.

 

[Budz]

So let’s say they clean the slate as you suggest,
who is it that you would hire and what structure would you have?

President and GM - to act as one decision maker.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Except, Tanenbaum doesn’t own the team outright.

He only owns 25%.

Bell and Rogers collectively own the other 75%.

To affect change Larry needs one of either Bell or Rogers to back him.

Larry needs both. Bell and Rogers are contractually obligated to agree on major changes, otherwise the stats quo remains.

 

[Budz]

Ottawa about to announce an owner.
How long before Dubas and Spezza are hired.

 

[Racer88]

It will be interesting to see if Dubas pops up as a GM for another team. If I remeber correctly in his crazy whiny presser that it was the Leafs or nowhere.
let’s see if he has any integrity

 

[MCR74]

Ottawa about to announce an owner.
How long before Dubas and Spezza are hired.

They can have both. l hope Sens fans enjoy the influx of ex Greyhounds once Kyle takes over.

As for Spezza, what was his office role in TO? Probably no big loss.

 

[Warden of the North]

I'd argue he's the worst GM in decades. AT least the past garbage teams didn't have numerous elite talents on ELCs out the gate.

Dubas completely dropped the ball on the best opportunity we've seen in decades.

His team this year was good enough to win. Full stop.

At some point the players need to be held accountable.

 

[Hockeysawks]

If the president (Shanahan) did indeed step inn (by all accounts often enough) to block trades and moves made by the GM (Dubas) in what universe is it fair to blame the GM for any of the teams problems ? Dubas was Shanahan's hand picked hire, not only was he responsible for bringing Dubas on board but also for directly limiting Dubas's ability /freedom to do the job.

If the GM is only allowed to make the moves the president OK's then what really is the point of having a GM in the first place ? Simply put , the bad moves Dubas made are just as much on Shanahan, one could even say even more so, on him as they are on Dubas. As someone living in Ottawa who follows the Sens I am well aware of the all but negative impact such scenarios and ones with strong similarities tend to have on the team/organization. Maybe its just pure coincidence but after the Sens owner passed away (RIP) the Sens GM appeared to become far more capable at his position. Its worth mentioning because the owner for whatever reason choose to stick his nose into and get involved in matters of which neither required his involvement.

Don't think there has ever been a cup winning GM in the NHL who had someone breathing down their neck and limited freedom to do the job they were hired for. This is not a case of who has say over who. The president can have his say, but to do it often in a way that is preventing someone you hired for that job reeks of mistrust and lack or structure. The GM position is one that should come with full control and freedom in all aspects related to the GM position.

They were unsure Dubas was doing a good enough job and had no idea if they should bring him back, you do not let a lame duck GM destroy the teams window when hes a lame duck.
It's on Shanahan if the rookie does something stupid and he has every right to say no.

How do you think it looks when the board is upset about all the money being wasted and he wants to trade a star the day after the billion dollar signing bonus is paid?

"Me good GM, look at my return"

 

[hockeywiz542]

Opinion | The Leafs have a long history of chaos, but this is no crisis

Making changes is what NHL teams do when they don’t win enough. There’s plenty of time to find the right GM and deal with the pressing business to come.

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So suddenly, at least to the hysterical, the Leafs were in need of a total remake. The Core Four of Matthews, William Nylander, Mitch Marner and John Tavares absolutely had to be broken up, regardless of how difficult it is to do such a thing within the salary cap.

Now comes the departure of Dubas who, let’s face it, seriously overplayed his hand. The whisper campaign suggesting Brendan Shanahan was a domineering boss has already started, but there’s no actual evidence of that.

There’s a good case to be made that Dubas needed to be replaced even before he ignored his boss and publicly expressed uncertainty about whether he wanted to keep doing the job. Still, this has all happened at exactly the time when these things always happen, unless you believe Dubas should have been dismissed partway through the Florida series.

The Leafs now have their pick of the available GM candidates out there, plus those currently employed who might have an interest in jumping ship for the chance to run the NHL’s highest profile team.

The person who gets the job will likely have a full month before the big decisions start, more than enough time for a top-flight hockey executive to dig in and understand what needs to be done. The biggest call — what to offer Matthews — will be made as it was always intended: spearheaded by a GM working closely with Shanahan, MLSE chair Larry Tanenbaum and the rest of the hockey staff.

So again, what’s the crisis here exactly?

Now, if the new person comes in and immediately makes some seriously bad decision, a crisis might well be created by the fall, but that seems unlikely. The Leafs are a deep, talented team that has been among the NHL’s elite for some time. Their best players are just reaching their prime.

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This is clearly a big hire for Shanahan. If it doesn’t work, he knows he will become even more of a target for criticism than he is now, which is fair. A new set of experienced eyes to examine the organization and its goals couldn’t come at a better time.

The Leafs now have the chance to become stronger and move on from Dubas, his unbreakable bond with head coach Sheldon Keefe and much-criticized theories on possession hockey and salary-cap allocation.

They also have more than enough time to make it happen.