Post-Game Talk: Shameful Leafs lose 3-2

[Stephen]

Why do the Leafs get “goalied“ so often in the playoffs?

I think they play an analytics friendly style that looks great on paper and the heat map and deserve to win o meters, which is a good step one. Bit they miss some of the connective tissue and behavioural traits of a crease crashing team, goalie intimidation stuff at times which don’t get captured anywhere .

Like you got the slot shot off and a rebound, stuffing the puck into Bob’s pad. But did you annoy Bob by falling on him in the pile up when the defenseman shoved you in? Did you crash the crease and did he get up slowly? Did you annoy him at the top of the crease a la Franzen to the point where he wants to chop you down like a tree? Did you accidentally knock his stick out of his hand behind the play? Do you ever dump it and forecheck hard, creating more chaos for him to come out of the net? Or is he just comfortable all night stopping pucks? If you’re just trying to beat a hot goalie clean with shot attempts you’re not doing enough.

 

[Stephen]

Feels like the Leafs are doing all of those things. Theyre in the crease, getting slot and rebound opportunities

I don’t think it’s enough. We haven’t seen the Leafs do the greasy stuff to Bob as the Perry Line and Kucherov did to Sammy all series to throw him off. You start mixing in the nonsense and gamesmanship and still get goalied, I’ll concede defeat. Not until you’ve exhausted everything.

 

[Gallagbi]

I don’t think it’s enough. We haven’t seen the Leafs do the greasy stuff to Bob as the Perry Line and Kucherov did to Sammy all series to throw him off. You start mixing in the nonsense and gamesmanship and still get goalied, I’ll concede defeat. Not until you’ve exhausted everything.

We simply need to score more. Lots of ways to do it, but weve generated a number of opportunities and in different ways. The one area i usually see us lacking (historically) is rebound chances and were almost doubling Florida in that area this series by the rebound created stat. It matches what im seeing there as well.

Were also going to need to win some games 2-1 or even 1-0. Last night should have been one of them. A few unforced mistakes and a bad goal was the difference.

 

[Stephen]

We simply need to score more. Lots of ways to do it, but weve generated a number of opportunities and in different ways. The one area i usually see us lacking (historically) is rebound chances and were almost doubling Florida in that area this series by the rebound created stat. It matches what im seeing there as well.

Were also going to need to win some games 2-1 or even 1-0. Last night should have been one of them. A few unforced mistakes and a bad goal was the difference.

Agreed. We should have won last night 6-3 on most occasions…

One question you have to ask yourself is this. If a hot goalie is getting a decent box out and crease clearing from his team and is able to see shots clearly, do you think his play will deteriorate with more shots? Maybe there’s an expected goals theory at play, but tend to think you’re actually feeding them more confidence the more you pepper them.

So the behavioural adjustment I’d recommend is just try to make him physically and mentally less comfortable. Aside from the straight on push for offense you gotta engage in the greasy stuff.

 

[capfit9]

If we get down 3-0 in the series just dress Simmonds in Knies’ role and have him say hi to Bennett, Tkachuk, Montour and Ekblad.

I’m calling up Clifford & Benn from the Marlies as well.

 

[TorMapleJays]

I think they play an analytics friendly style that looks great on paper and the heat map and deserve to win o meters, which is a good step one. Bit they miss some of the connective tissue and behavioural traits of a crease crashing team, goalie intimidation stuff at times which don’t get captured anywhere .

Like you got the slot shot off and a rebound, stuffing the puck into Bob’s pad. But did you annoy Bob by falling on him in the pile up when the defenseman shoved you in? Did you crash the crease and did he get up slowly? Did you annoy him at the top of the crease a la Franzen to the point where he wants to chop you down like a tree? Did you accidentally knock his stick out of his hand behind the play? Do you ever dump it and forecheck hard, creating more chaos for him to come out of the net? Or is he just comfortable all night stopping pucks? If you’re just trying to beat a hot goalie clean with shot attempts you’re not doing enough.

That is a big difference between Tampa and Florida. Toronto was in the middle of the rough stuff. This series is like Montreal where they just coasted.

Luke Schenn is fighting former teammates, Florida is doing what ever they want this series and Toronto isn’t fighting back. Too close off the ice? Scared to take penalties? Scared of Guadas?

Feels like the Leafs are doing all of those things. Theyre in the crease, getting slot and rebound opportunities

I have not seen much of any screens this series.

 

[egd27]

We simply need to score more. Lots of ways to do it, but weve generated a number of opportunities and in different ways. The one area i usually see us lacking (historically) is rebound chances and were almost doubling Florida in that area this series by the rebound created stat. It matches what im seeing there as well.

Were also going to need to win some games 2-1 or even 1-0. Last night should have been one of them. A few unforced mistakes and a bad goal was the difference.

So, score more goals and allow fewer. I think you're onto something.

 

[stealth1]

Do people expect the Leafs to dominate every game,? every period?, every shift?

The Leafs did a good job overall but they're going to make some mistakes and lose some battles over the course of 60 minutes. Florida is a good team and they're going to get chances. They buried one more than we did in 2 straight games. Sucks but that's the way it goes.

The margin for error, especially in the playoffs, is razor thin. Doesn't mean the Leafs "puked all over themselves." My God, get a grip.

Disagree. IMO they don't have an answer to Florida's hitting and pushing everything to the outside. The only way the Leafs win is if they drive the net. Something they are allergic to doing.

 

[Gallagbi]

I have not seen much of any screens this series.

First two goals last night were screened shots generating a rebound. Kef finished, Marner used it to go cross ice to Rielly.

Bob is much more active in the crease than Vasi, so he fights through more of it. This also leaves him a little more vulnerable for cross ice plays

We also had two Nylander posts with net drives or screens.

 

[stealth1]

Historically the team that goes up 2-0 in a series has won their series 87% of the time based on past results.

Leafs probability sadly of advancing currently sit at 13%.

"Disappointing. Baffling," Keefe said of the Maple Leafs' second-period play. "We didn't make those mistakes one time in the last series [in the first round against Tampa Bay]."

Disagree. They had the lead for less been 30 minutes in the last series. Florida is doing what Tampa wanted to do.

 

[Cournoyer12]

Of course he did. What is he supposed to say??

It's so funny how the narrative has always been when you're on a roll, you don't want any prolonged breaks, yet now that FLA is in the drivers seat the Sportsnet panel, Maurice, and widespread logic is that this will favor the cats. Bob has played his 5 best games of the past 2 seasons in succession, and Maurice thinks playing 1 game in the next 5 days will be good for him to keep that going? Not sure I buy it.

Sure his team might find a bit more jump with the rest, but so will we. But lets not kid ourselves, Bob is realistically the only reason they have a 2-0 lead.

The entire Sportsnet panel was preaching the exact opposite narrative last week when we were up 3-1 against the bolts and had a 2 day break in between games 4 and 5. The overwhelming sentiment at that point was that it worked in the Bolts favor. Which it ended up doing. Not sure why that would change a week later.

Time will ultimately tell what ends up happening. I just think if we can win on Sunday, the outlook of this series is completely altered. It will stop the cats right in their tracks. They are far from the juggernaut that some are making them out to be. They should not be feeling comfortable with a 2-0 lead, and we sure as f*** shouldn't think this series is over.

Gotta muck up the crease!

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Next time Tkachuk is on the ice in the crease just step onto the back of his leg by accident. See how he likes being out for the playoffs.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Mitch Marner thrown in a headlock on his giveaway.

 

[Stephen]

Mitch Marner thrown in a headlock on his giveaway.

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Marner acts like a little brother and gets treated like a little brother. Sometimes you gotta help yourself in these moments. Grow up, be a warrior and stand up for yourself and your teammates. Or go home.

 

[Mess]

So, score more goals and allow fewer. I think you're onto something.

The Leafs have given up 28 goals against in just 8 playoff games [ave 3.5 GA/g]. Meaning on average you need to score 4 goals to overcome your own team defense to give yourself an opportunity to win.

However the Leafs have only scored 2 goals a game in their last 4, in which they lost 3 of them. With good fortune that the only other game that ended 2-1 in OT was the series winner in round #1.

"Good teams are built from the goalie out, through strong defense" or "Defense wins Championships"

The emphasis should be on the make fewer mistakes, and give up less quality scoring chances, but so many simply ignore what is correctable because its in your own control and go to the obvious conclusion lets simply score more goals to win [to cover up for our own mistakes, but ingoring the obvious reason for the loss] ... Goalie Bob is in control of how many saves he makes Leafs can only shoot the puck at him and if he doesn't capitulate and let them in, nothing you can do but try different methods and keep looking for answers if you focus only the "Score More" mentality and blame the loss on "Out-Goalied".

However if Nylander doesn't loosely carry the puck and turn it over near his own blueline, and the mistake/turnover doesn't result in Barkov scoring 19 seconds in period #2, and then less than a minute later Marner near his own blueline about to exit the DZone foolishly tosses it backwards to Matthews, who is pressured, and gives it away, and Tkachuk sets up Forsling for the game winning goal as a result. The Leafs win the game 2-1. You don't need more offense, they already had enough goals to win by scoring 2X in the first 5 minutes in period #1, and you simply need better defense, and can't blame Sammy for the Barkov goal if Nylander simply makes a safer and smarter play, because then the shot never even happens.

Goalie Bob didn't beat the Leafs himself through strong goaltending all alone as the Leafs beat themselves. It was Nylander, Marner, Matthews mistakes, Sammy goaltending and if you want to toss in Tavares blowing a tire behind his own net for good measure that resulted in the 1st goal then you have the REAL answer to why Toronto is down 2-0 now. Leaf core 4 /$40 mil Cap club didn't score any goals and were on the ice and directly contributed for all the goals against in the loss.

Play smarter not harder !!!!

 

[PromisedLand]

This is the Stanley Cup for Senators and Habs fans. This is their time of year that they wait all season for, their time to shine. Guys like bert and JimmyApples can barely contain their arousal.

i tagged jimmyapples with a Go Leafs Go and a carleton bear dancing and nothing else. I didn't post anything else and the post on the mains got "modified"

thats the amount of butthurt these guys have

 

[PromisedLand]

Why do the Leafs get “goalied“ so often in the playoffs?

There is a common denominator and I wonder what that is... oh yeah, the way the Leafs play.

Because the 4 guys we are paying $40 million make the other goalies look good while every mistake ends up in our net

There’s probably some validity to that. Both how they play and how teams defend them.

Bob made saves, but he didn’t make any that brought you out of seat. Hewas just steady and had no rebounds to contend with.

Lack of traffic / rebounds / desire to go to the net

I think they play an analytics friendly style that looks great on paper and the heat map and deserve to win o meters, which is a good step one. Bit they miss some of the connective tissue and behavioural traits of a crease crashing team, goalie intimidation stuff at times which don’t get captured anywhere .

Like you got the slot shot off and a rebound, stuffing the puck into Bob’s pad. But did you annoy Bob by falling on him in the pile up when the defenseman shoved you in? Did you crash the crease and did he get up slowly? Did you annoy him at the top of the crease a la Franzen to the point where he wants to chop you down like a tree? Did you accidentally knock his stick out of his hand behind the play? Do you ever dump it and forecheck hard, creating more chaos for him to come out of the net? Or is he just comfortable all night stopping pucks? If you’re just trying to beat a hot goalie clean with shot attempts you’re not doing enough.

 

[ACC1224]

Forgot I saw this last night
So random.

 

[Stephen]

Forgot I saw this last night
So random.

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Scotiabank Arena definitely needs new flooring.

Those guys also have to be related to Jarnkrok.

 

[Nineteen67]

Forgot I saw this last night
So random.

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That is random.

I know it’s all over hockey, but when did fans start wearing a jersey to the game, and why?

 

[ACC1224]

Scotiabank Arena definitely needs new flooring.

Those guys also have to be related to Jarnkrok.

I hope so.

 

[IPS]

Forgot I saw this last night
So random.

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The Jarnkrok jersey or the goofy pants... rare one indeed.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I think they play an analytics friendly style that looks great on paper and the heat map and deserve to win o meters, which is a good step one. Bit they miss some of the connective tissue and behavioural traits of a crease crashing team, goalie intimidation stuff at times which don’t get captured anywhere .

Like you got the slot shot off and a rebound, stuffing the puck into Bob’s pad. But did you annoy Bob by falling on him in the pile up when the defenseman shoved you in? Did you crash the crease and did he get up slowly? Did you annoy him at the top of the crease a la Franzen to the point where he wants to chop you down like a tree? Did you accidentally knock his stick out of his hand behind the play? Do you ever dump it and forecheck hard, creating more chaos for him to come out of the net? Or is he just comfortable all night stopping pucks? If you’re just trying to beat a hot goalie clean with shot attempts you’re not doing enough.

Do you seriously think they’re going to intimidate Bob? Lmao!

Irritate yes. Intimidate no.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Andersen Vezina finalist....

Who mostly pooped the bed in the playoffs.

 

[Stephen]

Do you seriously think they’re going to intimidate Bob? Lmao!

Irritate yes. Intimidate no.

I don’t have a lot confidence in this group when they get “goalied.” Just describing what a generic team might do in the same position.