Prospect Info: Shakir Mukhamadullin (#20 pick - 2020 draft)

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In reading the GDT someone named Dylan Griffing was quick to post his turnovers so I went back and watched Russia-Czech Republic myself to get a better take on Mukhmadullin's game.

Talk about cherry picking to fit an agenda.

Don't think it would be a revelation to say that the Devils player personnel department knows more about evaluating talent and projecting a player's potential than a Twitter "scout".

While you can nick him for the misplay at the blue line, and a couple of other near turnovers -and some big shots from the point that missed the net - barring injury or some serious flaws or a lack of attention to his physical and tactical training - he should become an impact defenseman at the NHL level.

All the tools and attributes are there as well as the willingness to attack and compete. Reigning in a player with his skill set is better than having to try and develop someone who does not possess his attributes.
 

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In reading the GDT someone named Dylan Griffing was quick to post his turnovers so I went back and watched Russia-Czech Republic myself to get a better take on Mukhmadullin's game.

Talk about cherry picking to fit an agenda.

Don't think it would be a revelation to say that the Devils player personnel department knows more about evaluating talent and projecting a player's potential than a Twitter "scout".

While you can nick him for the misplay at the blue line, and a couple of other near turnovers -and some big shots from the point that missed the net - barring injury or some serious flaws or a lack of attention to his physical and tactical training - he should become an impact defenseman at the NHL level.

All the tools and attributes are there as well as the willingness to attack and compete. Reigning in a player with his skill set is better than having to try and develop someone who does not possess his attributes.

Dylan is a funny guy to read. I think some years ago he was trying to open his heart and talk about his feelings with Mukha, but Mukha said "no", was starting to laugh and he made a very homophobic joke. Because that`s what we are.
 

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In reading the GDT someone named Dylan Griffing was quick to post his turnovers so I went back and watched Russia-Czech Republic myself to get a better take on Mukhmadullin's game.

Talk about cherry picking to fit an agenda.

Don't think it would be a revelation to say that the Devils player personnel department knows more about evaluating talent and projecting a player's potential than a Twitter "scout".

While you can nick him for the misplay at the blue line, and a couple of other near turnovers -and some big shots from the point that missed the net - barring injury or some serious flaws or a lack of attention to his physical and tactical training - he should become an impact defenseman at the NHL level.

All the tools and attributes are there as well as the willingness to attack and compete. Reigning in a player with his skill set is better than having to try and develop someone who does not possess his attributes.

A few people have oddly anti Mukhamdullin agendas. It's weird.
 

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In reading the GDT someone named Dylan Griffing was quick to post his turnovers so I went back and watched Russia-Czech Republic myself to get a better take on Mukhmadullin's game.

Talk about cherry picking to fit an agenda.

Don't think it would be a revelation to say that the Devils player personnel department knows more about evaluating talent and projecting a player's potential than a Twitter "scout".

While you can nick him for the misplay at the blue line, and a couple of other near turnovers -and some big shots from the point that missed the net - barring injury or some serious flaws or a lack of attention to his physical and tactical training - he should become an impact defenseman at the NHL level.

All the tools and attributes are there as well as the willingness to attack and compete. Reigning in a player with his skill set is better than having to try and develop someone who does not possess his attributes.
I thought he was the 2nd best Russian defenseman in the game where no one on that team covered themselves in glory.
 
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i'm cautiously hyped on this guy for sure the most exciting D prospect outside of Ty Smith.

I don't get the hate either he's certainly to this point one of the most intriguing D prospects out of the 2020 class.

I'm not expecting Parayko but this dude is playing big minutes in a Pro League and putting up points.
 
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I thought he was the 2nd best Russian defenseman in the game where no one on that team covered themselves in glory.

I thought he was fine as well.

Obviously I don’t think he played the situation properly on the first goal but I also didn’t think it was an egregious error; I thought it was more a mistake in assumption of the other team being out of gas.

His first game was much better so after 2 games I’d say he’s having a nice tournament.
 
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The anti-devils bias will always be real. Even that one world junior announcer was crying about us and our trap :rolleyes::rolleyes::help:


Was laughing about that. When the play-by-play announcer pointed out that those teams never lost when they had a two-goal lead couldn't help thinking they must have had some skill to score those goals.
 
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I thought he was fine as well.

Obviously I don’t think he played the situation properly on the first goal but I also didn’t think it was an egregious error; I thought it was more a mistake in assumption of the other team being out of gas.

His first game was much better so after 2 games I’d say he’s having a nice tournament.

That sequence was incredible. The announcers (understandably) were commenting how it was inevitable Russia was going to score because of the pressure they had in the zone and the next thing you know it was the Czechs who score.
 
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In reading the GDT someone named Dylan Griffing was quick to post his turnovers so I went back and watched Russia-Czech Republic myself to get a better take on Mukhmadullin's game.

Talk about cherry picking to fit an agenda.

Don't think it would be a revelation to say that the Devils player personnel department knows more about evaluating talent and projecting a player's potential than a Twitter "scout".

While you can nick him for the misplay at the blue line, and a couple of other near turnovers -and some big shots from the point that missed the net - barring injury or some serious flaws or a lack of attention to his physical and tactical training - he should become an impact defenseman at the NHL level.

All the tools and attributes are there as well as the willingness to attack and compete. Reigning in a player with his skill set is better than having to try and develop someone who does not possess his attributes.
I don’t have any problem with the tweets (other than the one with the puck flub at the start because who freaking cares) but the poster who put them together is just an ass and everyone should feel free to ignore him. I’m pretty tolerant but he’s pretty much all snide broad negative swipes and I’m not a fan.

One of the tweets was criticizing weak point shots, and while he was using Mukhamadullin’s as an example, it was another defenseman’s point shot that had led to a breakaway and a goal. There is a coaching aspect here that the poster who collected them was ignoring in order to make seem like this all about an individual bad effort.
 
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Russia as a team looked off or they were unable to match the effort of the CR....As for MUK he had some great shots from the point and for most part played good...Was he great no did he makes some mistakes yes....That said Russia to me looked off from the get go.
 

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A few people have oddly anti Mukhamdullin agendas. It's weird.

I think it's because they fancy themselves draft experts and pre draft he was ranked around 40-80 on most people's boards. They memorized some scouting reports and are parroting them back, looking for evidence that validates the assessment that he's not a 1st round talent and that their read (which was really just copying a bunch of other scouts if that) was a correct one.

Rangers fans obviously are anti Muk because Devils but also cause they love the fantasy that they traded ahead of the Devils to get Schneider and Fitz panicked and reached for Mukhamadullin. I've seen nothing these WJC so far that makes me think he's not a first round talent necessarily. He is somewhat raw, but 20th overall for Mukhamudullin looks like a fine pick so far to me and the idea that Fitz would have no idea what to do at pick 20 after taking Mercer at pick 18 if Schneider went 19 is ludicrous.
 

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I think it's because they fancy themselves draft experts and pre draft he was ranked around 40-80 on most people's boards. They memorized some scouting reports and are parroting them back, looking for evidence that validates the assessment that he's not a 1st round talent and that their read (which was really just copying a bunch of other scouts if that) was a correct one.

Rangers fans obviously are anti Muk because Devils but also cause they love the fantasy that they traded ahead of the Devils to get Schneider and Fitz panicked and reached for Mukhamadullin. I've seen nothing these WJC so far that makes me think he's not a first round talent necessarily. He is somewhat raw, but 20th overall for Mukhamudullin looks like a fine pick so far to me and the idea that Fitz would have no idea what to do at pick 20 after taking Mercer at pick 18 if Schneider went 19 is ludicrous.

More than that, I think the KHL has really not developed defensemen for the NHL. Hockey-reference's search function is paywalled now but it lists 7 defensemen born in Russia (not the USSR) who played in the NHL last year. It doesn't tell me who they are so I have to try to remember who they'd be - Orlov, Zaitsev, Provorov, and Sergachev are 4 I've thought of, and while Provorov and Sergachev were drafted in the 1st round, they were drafted out of junior hockey. I looked through drafts since 2005 and could not find a Russian defensemen being drafted out of Russia in the 1st round in any of those drafts - last ones I found were in 2002 when Grebeshkhov and Babchuk were taken.

So I imagine there's an institutional bias as well - no one has taken this kind of swing in a long time, and so few people really know what a Russian defenseman's development curve is supposed to look like.
 

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More than that, I think the KHL has really not developed defensemen for the NHL. Hockey-reference's search function is paywalled now but it lists 7 defensemen born in Russia (not the USSR) who played in the NHL last year. It doesn't tell me who they are so I have to try to remember who they'd be - Orlov, Zaitsev, Provorov, and Sergachev are 4 I've thought of, and while Provorov and Sergachev were drafted in the 1st round, they were drafted out of junior hockey. I looked through drafts since 2005 and could not find a Russian defensemen being drafted out of Russia in the 1st round in any of those drafts - last ones I found were in 2002 when Grebeshkhov and Babchuk were taken.

So I imagine there's an institutional bias as well - no one has taken this kind of swing in a long time, and so few people really know what a Russian defenseman's development curve is supposed to look like.
Zadorov played in the OHL.
You did somehow forgot current Devil superstar defenseman Dmitri Kulikov who was drafted 14OA in 2009.

Other defensemen out the KHL include Vladislav Gavrikov (2015 #159) on Columbus and FA signed Ilya Lyubushkin in Arizona. There’s some guys on ELCs that got a few games in.

In terms higher picks, Slava Voynov (2008 #32) was doing fine the Kings until his domestic abuse charges blew him up.

Part of issue is that they don’t develop offensive defensemen. Looking at points/per game for defensemen last season in the KHL, the top 5 has one Russian, the exiled Voynov, and four Russians in the top 10. The 2nd best Russian, who came in 6th, has stats (52GP 4G 27A 31P) that aren’t exactly eye popping.

Teams don’t draft offensively unproductive players in the 1st round so Russian defensemen naturally go later. It’s almost amusing how one of the Russian posters on the prospect board explains his early production as result of history as a “former forward”, because of course a defenseman can’t score 9 points as he did. It’s just not done. The Devils only drafted him in the 1st round because of what they saw in the start of D+1 year which a very unique opportunity.

It’s a little hard analyze Russian defenseman picks because there so few. The Devils have done more often than most teams, it’s kind of weird. Colorado and Tampa are teams that have tried that route more often as well.

2019‑2020 KHL Defensemen Scoring Leaders
 
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Was laughing about that. When the play-by-play announcer pointed out that those teams never lost when they had a two-goal lead couldn't help thinking they must have had some skill to score those goals.
Nah. The A-Line was never a thing. The Devils were never top 1-2 in scoring in the early 2000’s. Never happened.

Goals just went in off guys skates and butts all the time and they won 1-0 or 2-1 every night.
 

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Didn't love the pick at the draft but watching him is very intriguing. Think I saw Jason McIsaac mention it on Twitter - aspects of him are eerily similar to a young Chara, minus the nasty streak. Preternatural instincts in some aspects of the game and totally deer in the headlights in others.

If he works out, I think he may end up being a special player, not just passable. If he and Bahl become NHL regulars, that is a very interesting development indeed.

Weirdo situations, when they work, usually work big.
 
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Zadorov played in the OHL.
You did somehow forgot current Devil superstar defenseman Dmitri Kulikov who was drafted 14OA in 2009.

I did forget Kulikov but technically he was born in the USSR, as hockey-reference lists Russia and the USSR as two separate birthplaces. I was looking for players who came up through the KHL which roughly corresponds with the fall of the Soviet Union + 18 years. Kulikov of course spent his draft year in juniors but I don't think you were saying otherwise.



In terms higher picks, Slava Voynov (2008 #32) was doing fine the Kings until his domestic abuse charges blew him up.

Part of issue is that they don’t develop offensive defensemen. Looking at points/per game for defensemen last season in the KHL, the top 5 has one Russian, the exiled Voynov, and four Russians in the top 10. The 2nd best Russian, who came in 6th, has stats (52GP 4G 27A 31P) that aren’t exactly eye popping.

They used to, which is what makes this so odd. Zubov, Gonchar, Malakhov, Boris Mironov, Tverdovsky, Ozolinsh (I know he's Latvian) - a fair number of that first generation of Russian D in the NHL were offensive. I'm curious if somehow the KHL and the playing style demanded there has kind of ground out that sort of defenseman.

Teams don’t draft offensively unproductive players in the 1st round so Russian defensemen naturally go later. It’s almost amusing how one of the Russian posters on the prospect board explains his early production as result of history as a “former forward”, because of course a defenseman can’t score 9 points as he did. It’s just not done. The Devils only drafted him in the 1st round because of what they saw in the start of D+1 year which a very unique opportunity.

It’s a little hard analyze Russian defenseman picks because there so few. The Devils have done more often than most teams, it’s kind of weird. Colorado and Tampa are teams that have tried that route more often as well.

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I think part of why there are so few is that the perception is that a lot of Russian guys don't want to grind it out in the AHL or be a marginal NHL defender - Rykov's a good example, he might've been able to play in the NHL, but after one unsuccessful year it appears as though he's done with North America. Yegor Zaitsev looks like he might have NHL chops, but does he want to come over and maybe spend time in the AHL first, or get inconsistent ice time in the NHL? Plus it has to be so hard to scout these guys because they're often in the MHL or VHL at 18. Better to just wait until they're 23 and try to sign them, I guess.
 
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They used to, which is what makes this so odd. Zubov, Gonchar, Malakhov, Boris Mironov, Tverdovsky, Ozolinsh (I know he's Latvian) - a fair number of that first generation of Russian D in the NHL were offensive. I'm curious if somehow the KHL and the playing style demanded there has kind of ground out that sort of defenseman.

FWIW I asked a similar question about why we don't see a lot of KHL defensemen in the NHL in the Mukhamadullin thread on the main prospects board and got this response.

LD Shakir Mukhamadullin - Salavat Yulaev Ufa, KHL (2020, 20th, NJD)
 

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I did forget Kulikov but technically he was born in the USSR, as hockey-reference lists Russia and the USSR as two separate birthplaces. I was looking for players who came up through the KHL which roughly corresponds with the fall of the Soviet Union + 18 years. Kulikov of course spent his draft year in juniors but I don't think you were saying otherwise.





They used to, which is what makes this so odd. Zubov, Gonchar, Malakhov, Boris Mironov, Tverdovsky, Ozolinsh (I know he's Latvian) - a fair number of that first generation of Russian D in the NHL were offensive. I'm curious if somehow the KHL and the playing style demanded there has kind of ground out that sort of defenseman.



I think part of why there are so few is that the perception is that a lot of Russian guys don't want to grind it out in the AHL or be a marginal NHL defender - Rykov's a good example, he might've been able to play in the NHL, but after one unsuccessful year it appears as though he's done with North America. Yegor Zaitsev looks like he might have NHL chops, but does he want to come over and maybe spend time in the AHL first, or get inconsistent ice time in the NHL? Plus it has to be so hard to scout these guys because they're often in the MHL or VHL at 18. Better to just wait until they're 23 and try to sign them, I guess.
Rykov might have played in the NHL if he hadn’t gotten injured in Rangers training camp and didn’t return start playing in Hartford until early December. Rykov’s under contract but he has a European Assignment Clause so I don’t know that he won’t come over for Hartford. ( And don’t care enough to find out.)

It does feel like it might be harder to lure defensive defensemen over to NA compared to offensive players since the bigger paydays aren’t often there for that position. That’s why the Coyotes’ Lyubushkin is an interesting case, he’s a pretty old school defensive defenseman, but he was signed as free agent when he a top defenseman in the KHL. I have no idea if NHL types even identified him as a prospect in ~2013 though.

There are that many Russian defensemen, either from juniors or the KHL organizations, drafted each year. Some of that drop off comes from shortening the NHL draft in 2004. Obviously that meant less drafted players in general but it goes from 2000-2002 having a dozen Russian defensemen a year to a low where (I’m pretty sure) Voynov was the only Russian defenseman drafted in 2008.

And yes, there were more Russian forwards being drafted then as well, with 25-30 Russian forwards being drafted in 2000-2002 while 7 forwards went in 2007 (and 2? in 2008). This also may have do with hesitancy to deal the KHL, Russian players unwillingness come over and maybe even the lowering of the UFA age.

Then again starting in about 2012, Russian goalies have been more popular then ever, with 2-4 being drafted each year when it used to be one a year and that could skip a year. So quality still wins here.

I’ve gotten sidetracked but I will add in the last few years it has picked up with 3-6 Russian defensemen drafted (partly do to us lol) and there’s been huge surge in Russian forwards, who are back up to about 20 being drafted a year.

Also, Elite Prospects does list our scouts and their “stats”. Shero did add the Devils first Russian national scouts with Misha Manchik in 2016-17 and Andrei Plekhanov in 2018-19. Poking around other team’s roster (dear god I need to get a life) I noticed that Russian scouts are something that a bunch of teams have added for the first time in the last few years. Teams’ European scouts are traditionally Swedes, Finns and Czechs (or North American). Tampa has had a Russian scout since 1999-2000 which pretty unique, though I have not checked every team.

So maybe Russian defenders under-exploited source for potential NHL players. This scouting staff is clearly not afraid to draft two-way defensemen with less offensive upside or even a straight-up defensive defenseman. There are specific risks to drafting that style of player that probably applies to a defensive prospect from any country.

I’ve rambled enough but I do share your curiosity about our scouts’ passion for Russian defensemen.
 

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Rykov might have played in the NHL if he hadn’t gotten injured in Rangers training camp and didn’t return start playing in Hartford until early December. Rykov’s under contract but he has a European Assignment Clause so I don’t know that he won’t come over for Hartford. ( And don’t care enough to find out.)

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I think Rykov would be playing in the NHL if he had indicated to Shero he wanted to play in NJ and was willing to start in the AHL to prove himself. Had the team not traded him and had he come over the next season, I don't doubt that he could be at least as good as Butcher at this point.

I'm too lazy to find the sources at this point, but I recall at least one article around the time of the trade that suggested Rykov was excited to be traded away from NJ and that he didn't show any inclination to come over to NJ. To me he's the epitome of a short sighted player who is less about playing in the NHL and more about off ice things and at some point the NYR have to figure that out or they will perennially underachieve. On what planet was going to the NYR a better move for a young defender than trying to crack the NJ blue line at that point?
 
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I think Rykov would be playing in the NHL if he had indicated to Shero he wanted to play in NJ and was willing to start in the AHL to prove himself. Had the team not traded him and had he come over the next season, I don't doubt that he could be at least as good as Butcher at this point.

I'm too lazy to find the sources at this point, but I recall at least one article around the time of the trade that suggested Rykov was excited to be traded away from NJ and that he didn't show any inclination to come over to NJ. To me he's the epitome of a short sighted player who is less about playing in the NHL and more about off ice things and at some point the NYR have to figure that out or they will perennially underachieve. On what planet was going to the NYR a better move for a young defender than trying to crack the NJ blue line at that point?
Rykov spent another year in Russia and I don’t know if his KHL contract status even allowed him to come over before that.

You’ve brought this up before I think you need to find it in your cold cold heart to forgive poor Yegor. (I mean, as much as one can forgive a player excited to a be a Ranger.)

At the time we didn’t have any Russian players on our roster while the Rangers had three and also Rykov was a teammate of future HHoF superstar legend NYR goalie Shesterkin while they were both on SKA St Petersburg.

It would be similar to a Swede being excited to be traded to NJ from a team with zero Swedes, except Swedes typically speak English pretty well. It probably pays for team pick a nationality or two, set up the ‘whatever’ mafia to make it more welcoming and easier for new European players to acclimate. Shero trying to plant the seeds for our Russian mob by drafting Maltsev from the same SKA system as well that year, as Shero had a mania for drafting players from the same team.
 
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