Seth Jones with one of the worst giveaways I’ve seen | Page 6 | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League

Seth Jones with one of the worst giveaways I’ve seen

Turns out Seth Jones was built for the playoffs. Something we never would have known had he stayed rotting in Chicago. It’s interesting how many experts think they are smarter than Bill Zito.
A lot of dmen with Jones's physical traits often get rated poorly by advanced stats during the season also often look really great in playoffs where there is less time and space and added physicality. He's obviously got some good puck movement abilities which shines more in those situations
 
Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.
Took a few games after the trade for Jones to learn the Panthers’ game. No cheating. No passengers. Everyone is committed to the sacrifice to win. He’s clearly a high iq player and figured out his role within that philosophy of how to play. He’s been so much better than he was in Chicago. He’s been fantastic.
 
Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.
I've said in the other thread, there was so much attacking every time he made a mistake as he learned the system, it was crazy. He played on a team that was as dialed in as ours was, it takes time to get it all down, he's been fantastic and still has room to grow.

Meanwhile, Carlo was his usual self.
 
Last edited:
Honestly. What the heck was that about. Only for a backup?

I was surprised. Like I wasn't expecting a 1st due to his mid play + contract left. But still.. that was like a minor return.
 
He looked like 23 year old Seth Jones last night. Phenomenal performance.
He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.
 
I’ve been saying for a long time he is as capable as anyone.

I would urge caution though, if you think ‘he figured it out.’

He didn’t. He is definitely not a ‘high IQ’ player.

He’s going to have an equally bad game soon. That’s what kind of player he is, bipolar. Really a frustrating player. You know he could be this guy, if he weren’t lacking something.
 
He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.
Yeah, who do we trust here, Chicago's front office or Florida's? :D
 
He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.
You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.
 
You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.
Whiskey doesn't like Bedard so he's 100% stating the Hawks were being held back from not benching Bedard more/it was making Jones look worse. But it's a poor reflection. Hawks under Richardson were the definition of low-event, "try and lose 2-1" kind of hockey, that's been the coach for 77.2 % of the last three years and Sorensen was only coach for 25 games when Jones was still there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Crow
You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.
It's a lot harder to defend well on a bad team than it is to produce, especially when that team doesn't expect it's players to play a 200 foot game. The Chicago D are constantly left out to dry by their forwards.

But of course, I've said many times that Bedard would put up better numbers with a true play driving center. But he's not gonna go from 67 points to 90-100+. And on a better team he won't be allowed to cheat for offense like he does now.

Like, in a system like the Hurricanes, I don't know if he'd really be any more productive. Teravainen was more productive in Chicago than he had been in recent seasons in Carolina.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zeeto and Dumais
Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.

You could have watched his playoff tape in Columbus and come away even more impressed.

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.

#1D on bad teams often get this treatment. You could look at Drew Doughty and how he went up and down from league best analytics to league worst and then back up again, and it was just following his team's place in the standings.

It strikes me that Jones is more susceptible to that than most because there is such a gap between how good he is on his toes (attacking) and how not good he is on his heels - I mean that literally, his skating on his toes is high end and his skating on his heels is his big weakness.

I’ve been saying for a long time he is as capable as anyone.

I would urge caution though, if you think ‘he figured it out.’

He didn’t. He is definitely not a ‘high IQ’ player.

He’s going to have an equally bad game soon. That’s what kind of player he is, bipolar. Really a frustrating player. You know he could be this guy, if he weren’t lacking something.

FWIW Seth Jones was not a super bipolar player in Columbus game to game. There was a divergence between how we saw him shine in big moments and how his defensive analytics suffered in the regular season, but that was more of a technical flaw in his back skating and difficulty gapping up. He generally made good decisions and didn't have many nightmare type games. Certainly none in the playoffs.

His difficulty in Chicago I think was mostly about how he was forced to defend so often and it highlighted his weaknesses in transition defense, and that is very mentally fatiguing. He basically quit on the Hawks, not a good look. Attacking is more fun and not tiring mentally. He is doing that now in Florida.

I have wondered if Jones is as committed an athlete as many of his peers. Even when he is shining now in Florida, stepping up and picking corners, his attributes and skills were better when he was 23 in Columbus. He was an incredible skater at that age. I can't think of anything he's improved on since then.
 
Seth Jones left a lot to be desired in Chicago. I'm indifferent that he's playing well in Florida, as we got a 1st round pick and a starting goalie back, but acting like his play was entirely Chicago holding him back is main-boards nonsense. He routinely played like he didn't give a shit. It took him getting booed before he changed his tune and even then he was still frustrating. He wasn't an intelligent player in his own zone and his offense wasn't good enough to justify his cap hit.

Good for him and good for Panthers fans that he's helping them win this much. It doesn't bother me at all that he's having success there. Make no mistake though, he absolutely did not meet expectations in Chicago.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Crow
Whiskey doesn't like Bedard so he's 100% stating the Hawks were being held back from not benching Bedard more/it was making Jones look worse. But it's a poor reflection. Hawks under Richardson were the definition of low-event, "try and lose 2-1" kind of hockey, that's been the coach for 77.2 % of the last three years and Sorensen was only coach for 25 games when Jones was still there.
Honestly the hawks were a better team without jones. He was injured and they improved. He was back then they declined sharply on defense. Then he was gone and they played better. He is a poor defender prone to many gaffs. It was noticeable and quantifiable. I don’t know what you are talking about whiskey or whatever that’s a bit confusing to me.

Jones can also be an outstanding talent offensively. He has some elite aspects to his game. However, even his offense is flawed in huge ways. He makes terrible, selfish and poor decisions regularly with the puck and his shot kind of sucks. Countless times I’ve seen him on a rush about to create something, just to throw it into the goalies chest or pads instead of passing it to a wide open forward. He doesn’t seem to understand when to shoot. He will do it from long range with no one in the area for a rebound or traffic in front of the goalie. Bottom line he often doesn’t have good ideas about what to do with the puck and his shot is not good because of it.

He is outstanding at creating rushes I have to say. I think he’s also pretty good at keeping possession if he doesn’t throw it away on a shot he shouldn’t have tried.

If Florida fans want to pretend he is some amazing flawless player with a high iq because he had a great game, ok go ahead. I could give a shit. I’m very happy he is on your team and not mine.

I still think he is a very good player and I’m not trying to only mention his flaws. That was mostly in response to the irrational exuberance by some posters.

He is well worth 7.5 mil a year imo in their situation if they can keep him motivated and surround him with with a group who helps to cover up his inadequacies.
 
Last edited:
Alot of Blackhawks fans were itching with the "I told you so" but that obviously backfired.

I think the Blackhawks organization as a whole had more to do with Seth Jones failing there then Seth Jones. The organization is just toxic ever since the Kyle Beach stuff.

“NOW, the people involved are no longer with the organization.”

- God, July 5, 2023
 
Honestly the hawks were a better team without jones. He was injured and they improved. He was back then they declined sharply on defense. Then he was gone and they played better. He is a poor defender prone to many gaffs. It was noticeable and quantifiable. I don’t know what you are talking about whiskey or whatever that’s a bit confusing to me.

Jones can also be an outstanding talent offensively. He has some elite aspects to his game. However, even his offense is flawed in huge ways. He makes terrible, selfish and poor decisions regularly with the puck and his shot kind of sucks. Countless times I’ve seen him on a rush about to create something, just to throw it into the goalies chest or pads instead of passing it to a wide open forward. He doesn’t seem to understand when to shoot. He will do it from long range with no one in the area for a rebound or traffic in front of the goalie. Bottom line he often doesn’t have good ideas about what to do with the puck and his shot is not good because of it.

He is outstanding at creating rushes I have to say. I think he’s also pretty good at keeping possession if he doesn’t throw it away on a shot he shouldn’t have tried.

If Florida fans want to pretend he is some amazing flawless player with a high iq because he had a great game, ok go ahead. I could give a shit. I’m very happy he is on your team and not mine.

I still think he is a very good player and I’m not trying to only mention his flaws. That was mostly in response to the irrational exuberance by some posters.

He is well worth 7.5 mil a year imo in their situation if they can keep him motivated and surround him with with a group who helps to cover up his inadequacies.

If Chicago got better without him then why did they finish 2nd to last in points? Stop it
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: zeeto and ClydeLee

Users who are viewing this thread

Ad

Ad