Seth Jones with one of the worst giveaways I’ve seen

[1specter]

Turns out Seth Jones was built for the playoffs. Something we never would have known had he stayed rotting in Chicago. It’s interesting how many experts think they are smarter than Bill Zito.

A lot of dmen with Jones's physical traits often get rated poorly by advanced stats during the season also often look really great in playoffs where there is less time and space and added physicality. He's obviously got some good puck movement abilities which shines more in those situations

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

All I’ve been hearing from Panthers fans is how good jones is and 7M is now a steal for him. Is he really even worth 7M?

Check out this giveaway from last nights game. Absolutely awful.

You don't watch a lot of hockey, eh?
Not even the worst this month.

 

[Lahey]

You don't watch a lot of hockey, eh?
Not even the worst this month.

This thread was made over a month ago?

Nice bump buddy. I’m guessing you don’t want much hockey.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.

 

[Fatass]

Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.

Took a few games after the trade for Jones to learn the Panthers’ game. No cheating. No passengers. Everyone is committed to the sacrifice to win. He’s clearly a high iq player and figured out his role within that philosophy of how to play. He’s been so much better than he was in Chicago. He’s been fantastic.

 

[Laus723]

Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.

I've said in the other thread, there was so much attacking every time he made a mistake as he learned the system, it was crazy. He played on a team that was as dialed in as ours was, it takes time to get it all down, he's been fantastic and still has room to grow.

Meanwhile, Carlo was his usual self.

 

[rocketdan9]

Honestly. What the heck was that about. Only for a backup?

I was surprised. Like I wasn't expecting a 1st due to his mid play + contract left. But still.. that was like a minor return.

 

[PB37]

He looked like 23 year old Seth Jones last night. Phenomenal performance.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He looked like 23 year old Seth Jones last night. Phenomenal performance.

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Happy for this guy. What a stud in the past few games

 

[Crow]

I’ve been saying for a long time he is as capable as anyone.

I would urge caution though, if you think ‘he figured it out.’

He didn’t. He is definitely not a ‘high IQ’ player.

He’s going to have an equally bad game soon. That’s what kind of player he is, bipolar. Really a frustrating player. You know he could be this guy, if he weren’t lacking something.

 

[Run the Jewels]

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.

Yeah, who do we trust here, Chicago's front office or Florida's?

 

[ClydeLee]

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

That's not at all what occurred with Richardson.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.

You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.

 

[WarriorofTime]

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

He was playing on a garbage team where frustration and lack of focus would often get the better of him*****

 

[WarriorofTime]

You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.

Whiskey doesn't like Bedard so he's 100% stating the Hawks were being held back from not benching Bedard more/it was making Jones look worse. But it's a poor reflection. Hawks under Richardson were the definition of low-event, "try and lose 2-1" kind of hockey, that's been the coach for 77.2 % of the last three years and Sorensen was only coach for 25 games when Jones was still there.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You mean teams matter?

Does this apply to Bedard too? Asking for a friend.

It's a lot harder to defend well on a bad team than it is to produce, especially when that team doesn't expect it's players to play a 200 foot game. The Chicago D are constantly left out to dry by their forwards.

But of course, I've said many times that Bedard would put up better numbers with a true play driving center. But he's not gonna go from 67 points to 90-100+. And on a better team he won't be allowed to cheat for offense like he does now.

Like, in a system like the Hurricanes, I don't know if he'd really be any more productive. Teravainen was more productive in Chicago than he had been in recent seasons in Carolina.

 

[majormajor]

Is this where I go for the Seth Jones crow eating tour?

Dude's been phenomenal for Florida. Took over that game 7 last night.

You could have watched his playoff tape in Columbus and come away even more impressed.

He's still a big, mobile #1D. It's not like he forgot how to play hockey, he was just playing on a garbage team where the coaching staff refused to hold their offensive players accountable defensively.

It's really unbelievable how underrated he became.

#1D on bad teams often get this treatment. You could look at Drew Doughty and how he went up and down from league best analytics to league worst and then back up again, and it was just following his team's place in the standings.

It strikes me that Jones is more susceptible to that than most because there is such a gap between how good he is on his toes (attacking) and how not good he is on his heels - I mean that literally, his skating on his toes is high end and his skating on his heels is his big weakness.

I’ve been saying for a long time he is as capable as anyone.

I would urge caution though, if you think ‘he figured it out.’

He didn’t. He is definitely not a ‘high IQ’ player.

He’s going to have an equally bad game soon. That’s what kind of player he is, bipolar. Really a frustrating player. You know he could be this guy, if he weren’t lacking something.

FWIW Seth Jones was not a super bipolar player in Columbus game to game. There was a divergence between how we saw him shine in big moments and how his defensive analytics suffered in the regular season, but that was more of a technical flaw in his back skating and difficulty gapping up. He generally made good decisions and didn't have many nightmare type games. Certainly none in the playoffs.

His difficulty in Chicago I think was mostly about how he was forced to defend so often and it highlighted his weaknesses in transition defense, and that is very mentally fatiguing. He basically quit on the Hawks, not a good look. Attacking is more fun and not tiring mentally. He is doing that now in Florida.

I have wondered if Jones is as committed an athlete as many of his peers. Even when he is shining now in Florida, stepping up and picking corners, his attributes and skills were better when he was 23 in Columbus. He was an incredible skater at that age. I can't think of anything he's improved on since then.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Seth Jones left a lot to be desired in Chicago. I'm indifferent that he's playing well in Florida, as we got a 1st round pick and a starting goalie back, but acting like his play was entirely Chicago holding him back is main-boards nonsense. He routinely played like he didn't give a shit. It took him getting booed before he changed his tune and even then he was still frustrating. He wasn't an intelligent player in his own zone and his offense wasn't good enough to justify his cap hit.

Good for him and good for Panthers fans that he's helping them win this much. It doesn't bother me at all that he's having success there. Make no mistake though, he absolutely did not meet expectations in Chicago.