Seth Jones: Reality Check
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"Who thinks abstractly? The uneducated, not the educated. Good society does not think abstractly because it is too easy, because it is too lowly..."
"I have only to adduce examples for my proposition: everybody will grant that they confirm it. A murderer is led to the place of execution. For the common populace he is nothing but a murderer. Ladies perhaps remark that he is a strong, handsome, interesting man. The populace finds this remark terrible: What? A murderer handsome? How can one think so wickedly and call a murderer handsome; no doubt, you yourselves are something not much better!"
"This is abstract thinking: to see nothing in the murderer except the abstract fact that he is a murderer, and to annul all other human essence in him with this simple quality."
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I think Jones is probably 15-20 in terms of RHD.
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I think Jones is probably 15-20 in terms of RHD.
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Blehhhhh. At that point I'd rather give up a few more years to someone else like Boeser, Bennett, or Ehlers. Give Bedard and others an actual decent linemate to play with instead of old dudes who are only coming here because the Hawks are the highest bigger.
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BobbyJet
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Is it my imagination or is Seth skating better since returning from his injury. I mean, way better. He has a jump in his step that hasn't been present for a while.
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Yeah certainly arguments to be made, I don't think he's "at worst 10th" though. You'd have to make very generous arguments and assumptions about his play on a better team to get there.
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Seth Jones is definitely playing a lot better but it could be that he is looking for a trade to a team competing for Lord Stanley. Players will elevate thir play if they desire to be traded to a contender. I do hope he gets trade by the deadline.
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A deadline trade will be challenging.
He'll be way easier to move in the offseason when everyone gets a free 7M increase in cap space. Basically any roster would be able to add him.
Deadline gets tricky without retention. Colorado is the easiest team to work with.
I remember that tweet from Pope about the team stats with and without Jones, when he was going through his roughest period.
It was the same win percentage. Which he used to argue against people who were saying the team plays better without him.
But it also proves the team doesn't do better with him on the ice.
So whats his value? Eating minutes? But when he wasn't we were still fine.
I guess if he was a true leader, I would get it. But he's know for his inconsistencies, got his shit together presumably when hearing of trade chatter etc.
I think Murphy is more influential in the locker for the younger guys.
I think if there is a nice value trade to be made, we have to go for it. If not now, next season with the cap going up is also good. But do it, he adds nothing that we are going to miss.
My one worry is that the FO probably doesn't want to go into next season with both Jones and Murphy traded. We need at least 1 vet, so that we can anchor two top 4 pairs with Vlasic and a kid.
So because of that and the cap booming offering more opportunity, I'm already resigned to having him next year, ffs.
But there is no more maddening player than him for me. I could pull my hair out. Just counting the days till he's off the team.
It was the same win percentage. Which he used to argue against people who were saying the team plays better without him.
But it also proves the team doesn't do better with him on the ice.
So whats his value? Eating minutes? But when he wasn't we were still fine.
I guess if he was a true leader, I would get it. But he's know for his inconsistencies, got his shit together presumably when hearing of trade chatter etc.
I think Murphy is more influential in the locker for the younger guys.
I think if there is a nice value trade to be made, we have to go for it. If not now, next season with the cap going up is also good. But do it, he adds nothing that we are going to miss.
My one worry is that the FO probably doesn't want to go into next season with both Jones and Murphy traded. We need at least 1 vet, so that we can anchor two top 4 pairs with Vlasic and a kid.
So because of that and the cap booming offering more opportunity, I'm already resigned to having him next year, ffs.
But there is no more maddening player than him for me. I could pull my hair out. Just counting the days till he's off the team.
Not really. At the deadline, there will be 41/42 days left in the NHL schedule and Jones cap for the remainder of the days in the season will be slightly more than 2 million. The only teams without the cap space to take Jones at full cap for the remainder of the season at the TDL are Ottawa, Florida, Carolina, Tampa, & NJ meaning there are 27 options without having to do anything.
