Proposal: Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse

[canuckslover10]

To Chicago: Darnell Nurse LD like 7 years at 9.25 Million Dollars


To Edmonton: Seth Jones RD 7 years at 9.5 Million Dollars.


Before you guys come at me I'm not seriously proposing this but assume this was a possibility and both waived their NMC which team would you say would be better off on a deal like this.

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[Coffee]

Oilers make out like bandits. Why? Seth Jones is designed specifically to play on the Oilers system with the cracked first pass to McDavid weak side

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Another proposal with no consideration for No Move Clauses.

Chicago doesn't consider this, Jones is much better than Nurse

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Seth Jones way better than Nurse, why would Chicago even consider this?

Jones is probably the most underrated defenseman in the league, but that's what happens when you play on bad teams for most of your career.

 

[Coffee]

Seth Jones way better than Nurse, why would Chicago even consider this?

Jones is probably the most underrated defenseman in the league, but that's what happens when you play on bad teams for most of your career.

The most underrated defensmen is probably Jones or Spurgeon I’d say as well yeah

 

[McSuper]

Seth Jones way better than Nurse, why would Chicago even consider this?

Jones is probably the most underrated defenseman in the league, but that's what happens when you play on bad teams for most of your career.

Said who? I seen this debated on TSN and they thought Nurse was the better player. I don't even like Nurse ,he has skills I like but overall he just isn't my kind of D man .

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Said who?

That's just my opinion. I think he usually beats Nurse in polls pretty handedly as well, though that certainly isn't a great barometer either.

I seen this debated on TSN and they thought Nurse was the better player. I don't even like Nurse ,he has skills I like but overall he just isn't my kind of D man .

TSN siding with a Canadian player on a Canadian franchise isn't very surprising. They know their audience.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Said who? I seen this debated on TSN and they thought Nurse was the better player. I don't even like Nurse ,he has skills I like but overall he just isn't my kind of D man .

“Know your audience”...LOL. Bad, so bad.

 

[Mrfenn92]

No thanks from Chicago

 

[jackjohnson]

To Chicago: Darnell Nurse LD like 7 years at 9.25 Million Dollars


To Edmonton: Seth Jones RD 7 years at 9.5 Million Dollars.


Before you guys come at me I'm not seriously proposing this but assume this was a possibility and both waived their NMC which team would say would be better off on a deal like this.

Edmonton...Seth Jones both looks better and plays better lol

 

[BKarchitect]

“Know your audience”...LOL. Bad, so bad.

So true.

 

[IIxGURUxII]

Defense metrics say Nurse is a better overall defender

 

[canuckslover10]

Defense metrics say Nurse is a better overall defender

Can you show these metrics because the consensus seems to be that Jones is the better defenseman according to most people in this thread.

 

[AslanRH]

Edmonton adds here and still ends up winning the trade, but it would be a fun trade to see happen

 

[ManofSteel55]

Can you show these metrics because the consensus seems to be that Jones is the better defenseman according to most people in this thread.

Most people on HF judge players by TSN's highlights of the night.

Nurse is the most underrated defenseman in the NHL. All we ever hear about is how bad he supposedly is, but he's top 10 in even strength points for defensemen, near the top of the league in +/- (yes, I know it is flawed), and always plays the hard minutes against the oppositions best, and comes out ahead while doing so, even with a partner that struggled all season last year. And he does that when on the ice with any line, not just McDavid. People's opinions of Darnell Nurse don't align with the actual results. I think the same of Jones. It's nearly impossible for a player with his skill set to look good when doing it all alone like he was last year.

 

[stl76]

Defense metrics say Nurse is a better overall defender

Friendly reminder that team based shooting metrics are not defensive metrics, and that colorful pictures based on those metrics do not constitute an argument.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Nurse is trash, why would Chicago do this

 

[A1LeafNation]

Chicago laughs and hangs up

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Not that "handedness" is the end-all be-all in this consideration - but Chicago has only 3 NHL RD - Jones, Murphy and Zaitsev (and Zaitsev doesn't count) and about a thousand LD's, including all their top d-prospects. So much so that they're trying LD d-prospects on their off-hand.

So no - Chicago doesn't want to trade their best d-man who is called on to anchor a blue line of rookies for a worse version who plays on the wrong side.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not that "handedness" is the end-all be-all in this consideration - but Chicago has only 3 NHL RD - Jones, Murphy and Zaitsev (and Zaitsev doesn't count) and about a thousand LD's, including all their top d-prospects. So much so that they're trying LD d-prospects on their off-hand.

So no - Chicago doesn't want to trade their best d-man who is called on to anchor a blue line of rookies for a worse version who plays on the wrong side.

Edmonton might lean towards doing it simply because of handedness as well. With Nurse, the Oilers are running Nurse-Ceci, Ekholm-Bouchard, Kulak-Broberg/Desharnais/Neimelainen. If they had Jones instead, they would run with Ekholm-Jones, Kulak - Bouchard, and Broberg/Niemelainen - Ceci. The bonus being that it puts Ceci down in the lineup, but the negative being that it gives us another powerplay QB, puck moving, offense first defenseman back there when we already have Bouchard and probably shouldn't be having 2 of those types out there.

At the end of the day, I don't think either team does it. Chicago needs Jones' superior puck moving ability, and Edmonton needs Nurse's defensive zone play against elites. He could stand to give the puck away less though, I think his reputation would improve a ton if he didn't give the puck away in Edmonton's own zone so often.

 

[Chelios]

Edmonton might lean towards doing it simply because of handedness as well. With Nurse, the Oilers are running Nurse-Ceci, Ekholm-Bouchard, Kulak-Broberg/Desharnais/Neimelainen. If they had Jones instead, they would run with Ekholm-Jones, Kulak - Bouchard, and Broberg/Niemelainen - Ceci. The bonus being that it puts Ceci down in the lineup, but the negative being that it gives us another powerplay QB, puck moving, offense first defenseman back there when we already have Bouchard and probably shouldn't be having 2 of those types out there.

At the end of the day, I don't think either team does it. Chicago needs Jones' superior puck moving ability, and Edmonton needs Nurse's defensive zone play against elites. He could stand to give the puck away less though, I think his reputation would improve a ton if he didn't give the puck away in Edmonton's own zone so often.

Edmonton would do this so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Can you show these metrics because the consensus seems to be that Jones is the better defenseman according to most people in this thread.

That's because dunking on Nurse is in vogue.

Nurse is overpaid, but he's partially overpaid BECAUSE of Jones haha.

Nurse is way better offensively than he gets credit for and puts up excellent 5v5 numbers. He's not great on the defensive side of the puck, but he is saddled to Cody Ceci, so...

Friendly reminder that team based shooting metrics are not defensive metrics, and that colorful pictures based on those metrics do not constitute an argument.

Nor does "I watch the game, trust me bro"

 

[ManofSteel55]

Edmonton would do this so fast it would make your head spin.

I don't think they would, and I think this is another example of people not really knowing anything about a player other than what the HF consensus has decided on him. He is truly the most underrated player in the league right now, because he has too many own-zone turnovers that people see on the highlight reel once in awhile. The reality is though, that he is relied upon very heavily by the Oilers, they use him in all important defensive scenarios against the top competition in the league, and he does very well in that role, in spite of his higher giveaway rate than I would like to see, while providing good offensive numbers at 5 vs 5. Jones has never been much of a shutdown guy, and he couldn't play the same role that Nurse does on the Oilers, just as Nurse wouldn't do well if asked to do all of the puck-moving and powerplay QB work that Jones does for Chicago.

 

[Chelios]

I don't think they would, and I think this is another example of people not really knowing anything about a player other than what the HF consensus has decided on him. He is truly the most underrated player in the league right now, because he has too many own-zone turnovers that people see on the highlight reel once in awhile. The reality is though, that he is relied upon very heavily by the Oilers, they use him in all important defensive scenarios against the top competition in the league, and he does very well in that role, in spite of his higher giveaway rate than I would like to see, while providing good offensive numbers at 5 vs 5. Jones has never been much of a shutdown guy, and he couldn't play the same role that Nurse does on the Oilers, just as Nurse wouldn't do well if asked to do all of the puck-moving and powerplay QB work that Jones does for Chicago.

Bolder is pretty ironic since it’s pretty obvious that you don’t actually watch Jones.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Neither player is as bad as the hivemind here thinks they are and I doubt either team does this.