Proposal: Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse

[Larry Hanson]

actually we didn't protect Larsson because he made it known he wasn't going to re-sign here. (Wanted a fresh start, and given that his father died in Edmonton on a visit to see him... can't blame the guy)

Ya, that's the official story now but I'm not buying it. Well before the expansion draft it was reported that the Oilers and Larsson had come to an agreement on a 4yr extension, they couldn't sign it because of the expansion draft. With the Keith trade and his NMC they had to protect him so they had to wait on Larsson's contract until after the draft. Fast forward -> Larsson gets claimed, he goes to Seattle, he negotiates with Seattle and decides to stay. That wouldn't have played out if he had already extended with the Oilers and they protected him.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Jones is a pretty good d-man. He hasn't been helped by his d-partners and poor overall team defense over the last couple years - and it probably won't get appreciably better this season either with at least 2 or 3 and sometimes 4 rookie d-men in the lineup backed up by average-at-best goaltending.

The good news for Hawks fans is that he still has plenty of prime seasons to go with his skating ability and body type so maybe he'll look a lot better when the team gets better.

you know Nurse is one of the best skating defencemen in the NHL, right? And he's also a year and a half younger? And his regular partner is Cody freakin Ceci?

 

[majormajor]

I think Seth Jones would be incredible for the Oilers with all the open space they get on the rush.

Darnell Nurse isn't bad at all but aside from his career season, his passing and shooting execution isn't elite.

Jones is an elite open ice player, most notably 3v3. He was one of the top 3v3 scorers in the league for several years. He'll race up and down the ice and pick the corner.

 

[McWeber]

Jones is a good player but hard pass from this Oiler fan. Trading Nurse would create an immediate need for a tough minutes D that can play against top competition. Any player we trade for shouldn't be expected to play on the PP which defeats the purpose of acquiring a guy like Jones.

 

[McVespa99]

I wouldnt do this from an Oilers perspective. Nurse is flawed as are pretty much all players but so is Jones. Nurse brings more of what the Oilers need than Jones does. Also Jones would not see any significant powerplay time and Nurse is better 5 v 5. I just dont see what Jones would bring that the Oilers need. I think Nurse is better in the role the Oilers need to fill

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Both are overpaid by 1.5m per season. I believe Jones is the more valueable D. Jones would probably be putting up insane numbers if he was on the Oilers and a top pairing of Ekholm - Jones would absolutely make me pull the trigger on this.

I'd like to have both Nurse and Jones on our D core if they were appropriately paid. Nurse 7.75m and Jones 8m. As it stands, the cap hits and term remaining lowers both D's trade value and feeds the negative opinions we see routinely in regards to both of them as players.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

you know Nurse is one of the best skating defencemen in the NHL, right? And he's also a year and a half younger? And his regular partner is Cody freakin Ceci?

I know both Jones (#4OA) and Nurse (#7OA) were drafted in 2013. Seth is older - but he's only 4 months older - Seth born in Oct/94 and Nurse in Feb/95 - so essentially they're the same age.

As for d-partners - Seth had a turnstile of partners - none of them good, including his brother Caleb who EDM got rid of.

To be clear - I didn't rag on Nurse, mainly because I haven't seen him play enough to have a strong opinion of his play one way or the other. The point I made was Jones is a righty and Nurse is a lefty and the Hawks are flush with lefty's but have only (2) NHL level right handed d-men - Jones and Murphy - so for that reason alone I would rather keep Jones than acquire Nurse.

 

[Space umpire]

Lol that was me but tbh that got kinda lost in translation I was just trying to figure out what Jones value was cause everywhere I looked he was deemed a salary dump, I'm not saying the Hawks should trade Jones but I'm mainly trying to see the perceived value of players. This trade is not in any way serious moreso to see in a vacuum who would say no and who would say yes. At the moment Hawks fans are saying no and Edmonton fans are also saying no, although the overwhelming majority seems to favour Jones right now.

You proposed trade suggested Jones @50 percent would require an additional 1st and 2nd to move.
I’ve been here with various names since 2006. In 17 years yours was the worst suggested player value.

 

[canuckslover10]

You proposed trade suggested Jones @50 percent would require an additional 1st and 2nd to move.
I’ve been here with various names since 2006. In 17 years yours was the worst suggested player value.

I should have been more clear I guess but I was talking merely about the Canucks because making a move in which we take on a 7 year contract would not be beneficial for us at all, since we would probably start competing once Seth Jones was on the downswing, all this is mainly coming from the fact we got hosed in the OEL trade, it was not really a comment on who Jones was as a player but merely his contract and the canucks situation in which he would essentially be like a cap dump for us since we wouldn't be winning in his prime years and it would get into the way of us improving our team in other facets, like finding a stable defensively minded top 4 RHD for Hughes. All of this just got lost in translation and people got mad af, my main goal with that thread was just to figure out what Jones value would be to other teams in the league who are either in a win now mode or really close to it and I wanted to know at 1-50% retention. Which I should have been more clear about but again that was my intention, which was just to figure out his value at any level of retention to winning or close to winning teams.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I wouldnt do this from an Oilers perspective. Nurse is flawed as are pretty much all players but so is Jones. Nurse brings more of what the Oilers need than Jones does. Also Jones would not see any significant powerplay time and Nurse is better 5 v 5. I just dont see what Jones would bring that the Oilers need. I think Nurse is better in the role the Oilers need to fill

Yes. The Oilers need the defensive gaffes that Jones will provide less of.

 

[Space umpire]

I should have been more clear I guess but I was talking merely about the Canucks because making a move in which we take on a 7 year contract would not be beneficial for us at all, since we would probably start competing once Seth Jones was on the downswing, all this is mainly coming from the fact we got hosed in the OEL trade, it was not really a comment on who Jones was as a player but merely his contract and the canucks situation in which he would essentially be like a cap dump for us since we wouldn't be winning in his prime years and it would get into the way of us improving our team in other facets, like finding a stable defensively minded top 4 RHD for Hughes. All of this just got lost in translation and people got mad af, my main goal with that thread was just to figure out what Jones value would be to other teams in the league who are either in a win now mode or really close to it and I wanted to know at 1-50% retention. Which I should have been more clear about but again that was my intention, which was just to figure out his value at any level of retention to winning or close to winning teams.

You should put the shovel down.
Jones for 7 years at 4.25m per is a steal. It would cost the acquiring team a few 1st to make that happen.
The last 2 years of that deal he may be more suited for 2nd pairing than 1st and 4.25 would likely not be out of line with what a high level 2nd pair guy would make in 2028.

 

[canuckslover10]

You should put the shovel down.
Jones for 7 years at 4.25m per is a steal. It would cost the acquiring team a few 1st to make that happen.
The last 2 years of that deal he may be more suited for 2nd pairing than 1st and 4.25 would likely not be out of line with what a high level 2nd pair guy would make in 2028.

We have Quinn Hughes on the first pair and Hronek on the 2nd Rd pair so if we are going to get a top 4 RHD we have to make sure he would have to be a fit with Quinn Hughes meaning he would have to be a solid two way player, and tbh I don't think Jones contract will age well with the canucks especially considering he would get limited Powerplay time with us. I think he would do well on other teams but he would just not be a fit with us. Considering the length, the stage of where the Canucks are at, and the type of player that Jones is I don't see a fit. 7 years for a 29 year old is too much for me for the Canucks. Again for a different team Jones would be worth a lot more.

 

[AslanRH]

That the fact jones had more production is because of the pp did I really need to lead you to that obvious conclusion?

Nah, but rather than pp mention you could have helped us simpletons by comparing their most common even strength linemates to give us context

 

[Space umpire]

Nah, but rather than pp mention you could have helped us simpletons by comparing their most common even strength linemates to give us context

Are you trying to claim MacKenzie Entwistle and Reese Johnson aren’t clearly superior McDavid and Drai?

 

[TheNumber4]

Jones still overrated I see. Guys this isn’t the draft anymore, Nurse is clearly and easily the better player now.

 

[Three On Zero]

Nurse still overrated I see. Guys this isn’t the draft anymore, Jones is clearly and easily the better player now.

Fixed it for you

 

[Voight]

No thanks... I'd much rather keep Jones. Better track record for one.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I understand why people dislike Nurse.

Way overpaid, and a scrambling neurotic mess when defending down low.

But why is anyone pretending like Jones is any better. He was absolutely brutal last 2 years and if he played like the #1 Dman you claimed he was, the Hawks would not have finished dead last.

Not saying Nurse can elevate a team, but Jones was a pretty big part in the Hawks being dead last.

 

[cwede]

Said who? I seen this debated on TSN and they thought Nurse was the better player…

Really? TSN preferred
the Canadian-born player for a Canadian team over
the US born player who has only played for US teams?

I am shocked, just shocked

 

[John Mandalorian]

I understand why people dislike Nurse.

Way overpaid, and a scrambling neurotic mess when defending down low.

But why is anyone pretending like Jones is any better. He was absolutely brutal last 2 years and if he played like the #1 Dman you claimed he was, the Hawks would not have finished dead last.

Not saying Nurse can elevate a team, but Jones was a pretty big part in the Hawks being dead last.

“That other guy has flaws too” is kind of a weak argument.

 

[Mr Positive]

Jones has a shield of being on worse teams. It's not a given that being on a better team would make him look better.

Although I do like Jones more, and him being RD means we could go with Ekholm-Jones and not need to try to develop Broberg on his off side.

But player wise they are quite similar from what I've seen

 

[HairyKneel]

That's just my opinion. I think he usually beats Nurse in polls pretty handedly as well, though that certainly isn't a great barometer either.


TSN siding with a Canadian player on a Canadian franchise isn't very surprising. They know their audience.

Well Canada is the better nation at hockey and it hasn’t been close over the years. As a proud Canadian kid (50 something year old kid) I’m not a fan of either guy at those cap hits. Nurse should be making about 7.25 - 7.5. Jones should be making 8 - 8.25. Both overpaid.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

“That other guy has flaws too” is kind of a weak argument.

Howso?

Most of this thread is trying to convince us that the statistically worse Dman on the worst team in the league is somehow the better dman.

I get that there might be more value in him being a RHD but they're both mediocre 1st pair Dmen. (Somewhere in the Bouwmeester range).

They're not gonna be any kinds of primary catalyst for a cup winner. This thread feels like we're debating who is less mediocre.

Both of them are mid AF and trying to say Seth Jones is way better is laughable.

I watched all 3 games he played against the Oilers. 0 points -6 of which he was the primary culprit on several of those goals against.

Are we supposed to be impressed with how he predictably puts himself out of position to generate pedestrian amounts of offense chances?


I'm not saying Nurse is vastly better. But come on, there is very little to brag about with the way Jones has shit the bed as a Hawk. He's not some lone bright spot on a bad team. He's a big contributor to how shit the Hawks have been.

 

[McSuper]

Yes. The Oilers need the defensive gaffes that Jones will provide less of.

I am not a Nurse fan but to say this when Nurse plays against all the elite players they league has to offer is a guess base on nothing factual

Value is also subjective. If a team like the Blue Jackets could sign either player for free they would probably target Nurse base on their depth at RD. Most teams would go for the RD as the are a rarer asset.

 

[Kyungnam]

Ya, that's the official story now but I'm not buying it. Well before the expansion draft it was reported that the Oilers and Larsson had come to an agreement on a 4yr extension, they couldn't sign it because of the expansion draft. With the Keith trade and his NMC they had to protect him so they had to wait on Larsson's contract until after the draft. Fast forward -> Larsson gets claimed, he goes to Seattle, he negotiates with Seattle and decides to stay. That wouldn't have played out if he had already extended with the Oilers and they protected him.

Larsson didn’t want to leave Edmonton. His mother requested it. On the fathers trip unfortunately Larsson senior passed. His mother couldn’t handle coming to Edmonton because all she could think about was his passing and asked Adam to sign elsewhere. This has been said by every media guy after conversations with Larsson.