Value of: Seth Jones (50% retained)

[Bounces R Way]

4.75 is going to be what a reliable #4-5D is going to cost as soon as next year.

Guys like Jones and Nurse are very good low end 1Ds.

Jones is. Nurse sure as hell isn't.
Guy has never even cracked 50pts.

 

[LemonSauceD]

People are ridiculous.

As another poster said, Guys like Jones and Nurse are very good low end 1Ds. Overpaid by about 1.5mil, that's it. We've taken a narrative and just gone crazy with it over the past few years.

Nurse is not a low end 1D lol. He’s more of a 4D being paid as a 1D and being played like a 1D when he’s not that, like at all.

 

[Drake1588]

1) Seth Jones is where he wants to be and the Bedard lottery win made the team's future look a lot brighter. He's not waiving his full NMC, and very likely doesn't want to play in Canada at all. If he did, it wouldn't be Vancouver (a fantastic city, but whose hockey team consistently makes dumb decisions.)

2) Chicago isn't retaining for seven years. Nobody is, probably for any percentage, and certainly not for 50 percent. The accelerated rebuild thanks to Bedard's arrival probably leaves them wanting to keep Jones anyway as part of their leadership core.

Take your pick, really.

If you did pass both of those, Jones is a flawed player who is currently overpaid, but Jones at half his AAV is a highly valuable player. Lots of teams would submit bids for him at half his freight.

 

[canuckslover10]

We Chicago fans appreciate your concern about our team. Who better to know than a Canuck fan with their history of championships.
Really, where is your team? Year 50 of the rebuild?

Honestly though, Jones is a #1 D. A bit overpaid right now but that’s not an issue for Chicago’s cap situation. 3-4 years from now when the cap dollars matter in Chicago the salary cap will be significantly higher and his salary would appear to line up pretty well.

Again, thank you for your concern and have a pleasant day.

Didn't your team and fanbase support players and coaches who actively hid a predator, I'd avoid the the condescending remarks. As for Jones I never said I wanted him on the Canucks mainly cause he wouldn't waive due to his weird conservative political views and I'd be stressed to take such a long contract seeing that we just bought out OEL, I was just curious what his perceived value would be at 50% retained. Also I wouldn't want him near the team unless it came with a sweetener due to the fact the Canucks can't take that level of a risk right now, although another team who is in a win now phase could.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, I don't see the Hawks retaining that much for that long.

 

[canuckslover10]

This is by far the stupidest proposal I’ve seen here and that’s saying something.

It's not a proposal at all I was just curious of his value.

 

[hawksrule]

Didn't your team and fanbase support players and coaches who actively hid a predator, I'd avoid the the condescending remarks. As for Jones I never said I wanted him on the Canucks mainly cause he wouldn't waive due to his weird conservative political views and I'd be stressed to take such a long contract seeing that we just bought out OEL, I was just curious what his perceived value would be at 50% retained. Also I wouldn't want him near the team unless it came with a sweetener due to the fact the Canucks can't take that level of a risk right now, although another team who is in a win now phase could.

Troll thread confirmed.

 

[canuckslover10]

Troll thread confirmed.

How?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Didn't your team and fanbase support players and coaches who actively hid a predator, I'd avoid the the condescending remarks. As for Jones I never said I wanted him on the Canucks mainly cause he wouldn't waive due to his weird conservative political views and I'd be stressed to take such a long contract seeing that we just bought out OEL, I was just curious what his perceived value would be at 50% retained. Also I wouldn't want him near the team unless it came with a sweetener due to the fact the Canucks can't take that level of a risk right now, although another team who is in a win now phase could.

Just a silly typed response.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Don't see a point in Chicago moving him for several years.

They're nowhere near the cap and nowhere near competitive. They might as well eat Stan Bowman's error for a few years until the cost of dumping him is far less.

 

[Lockin17]

Retaining 50% for 7 years it's nonesense
1.5mil though might be acceptable if the return is good.

Hawks : Seth jones (1.5mil retained , 8mil x 7 years)
for
MTL ; Justin Barron + Jordan Harris + Sean Farrell + Joel Armia (Cap reason)

Harris and Barron would make the team this year
Farrell is a great prospect Hobey Baker candidate last year in the NCAA

Habs get a RHD top paring D for the next 7 years.
Matheson-Jones , that's a great line on D

 

[MXD]

...Something like four 1st rounders. Hefty retention and hefty duration : Jones at less than 5M would be one of the biggest bargains.

Retaining 50% for 7 years it's nonesense
1.5mil though might be acceptable if the return is good.

Hawks : Seth jones (1.5mil retained , 8mil x 7 years)
for
MTL ; Justin Barron + Jordan Harris + Sean Farrell + Joel Armia (Cap reason)

Harris and Barron would make the team this year
Farrell is a great prospect Hobey Baker candidate last year in the NCAA

Habs get a RHD top paring D for the next 7 years.
Matheson-Jones , that's a great line on D

Please delete your post.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Retaining 50% for 7 years it's nonesense
1.5mil though might be acceptable if the return is good.

Hawks : Seth jones (1.5mil retained , 8mil x 7 years)
for
MTL ; Justin Barron + Jordan Harris + Sean Farrell + Joel Armia (Cap reason)

Harris and Barron would make the team this year
Farrell is a great prospect Hobey Baker candidate last year in the NCAA

Habs get a RHD top paring D for the next 7 years.
Matheson-Jones , that's a great line on D

No thanks from chicago

 

[hawksrule]

Retaining 50% for 7 years it's nonesense
1.5mil though might be acceptable if the return is good.

Hawks : Seth jones (1.5mil retained , 8mil x 7 years)
for
MTL ; Justin Barron + Jordan Harris + Sean Farrell

Harris and Barron would make the team this year
Farrell is a great prospect Hobey Baker candidate last year in the NCAA

Habs get a RHD top paring D for the next 7 years.
Matheson-Jones , that's a great line on D

Haven’t heard much about Barron since he was drafted. Is he legit? Our rhd pipeline is pretty barren (no pun intended).

 

[Lockin17]

Haven’t heard much about Barron since he was drafted. Is he legit? Our rhd pipeline is pretty barren (no pun intended).

21 years old , Great offense IQ , decent size , he's got a great future i think.
He fits your rebuild

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Darnell Nurse at 50% retained....plus a top prospect from Edmonton. Bum for a bum. 2 absolutely horrible contracts.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I’d probably trade Mathews for Jones @50% wow that’d be a steal. For Jokes here’s my offer

Toronto: Brodie, Knies, Cowen, 1st 2024, 1st 2026 and another prospect for Jones @50%

 

[Mrfenn92]

I’d probably trade Mathews for Jones @50% wow that’d be a steal. For Jokes here’s my offer

Toronto: Brodie, Knies, Cowen, 1st 2024, 1st 2026 and another prospect for Jones @50%

Not sure toronto does that. Also can’t imagine in any scenario Chicago retains half. Also Seth controls the whole thing

 

[WarriorofTime]

Right now with Jones they let it ride, and keep him around to be an overpaid Top 4 Right Handed Defenseman (which is by far the biggest gap in the prospect pool at the moment, there's 2022 1st round pick Sam Rinzel who is a project, and nobody else at the moment). Hopefully Jones, who turned 29 today, is able to age well into his early 30s and as the cap goes up, his percentage of the cap hit will go down, making the contract less bad. As a few years go by, then the more palatable a trade with retention becomes, but it's hard due to a NMC which can limit undesirable locations or ever attaching an asset to dump. So realistically, Jones is in it for the long haul and hopefully he can stay a Top 4 D and it doesn't go from a bad contract to crippling one.

Jones contract will expire when he is 35, right before Bedard turns 25. All in all given where they are at as far as being early in a rebuild, he's a fine guy to have for the moment and the contract isn't too concering.

 

[abo9]

Jones at 4.75M for 7 more years would be extremely valuable.

He's a very good defenseman, albeit overpaid.

 

[abo9]

4.75 is going to be what a reliable #4-5D is going to cost as soon as next year.

Yep. Already is close to that.

Gudbranson is 4M. David Savard is 3.5M. Chiarot is paid 4.75M. Josh Manson? 4.5M. Nick Jensen? 4.05M.

People need to look at the 4-5M range defensemen on Capfriendly, it ain't pretty. Jones at that price would be pretty sweet

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's not a proposal at all I was just curious of his value.

I don't think the value is that high and lets face it, the Hawks are not retaining that much for that long. The only thing that might make sense is for a guy like Gallagher (it's an example... relax people) to go the other way. Contract for contract and then futures added. What are those futures? TBD but it has to come from a contender vs a team like the Habs who are rebuilding and in transition years.

Jones also hasn't performed that well with the Hawks. Yeah, I know there is lack of talent but you would expect more regardless.

One angle to look out for in the next few years is if there is a international tournament (Olympics or World Cup)... how does Jones perform on a stacked US team. Might make people take notice a bit more because right now, I find that contract on the scary side... even if you are able to get retention or send a contract the other way

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yep. Already is close to that.

Gudbranson is 4M. David Savard is 3.5M. Chiarot is paid 4.75M. Josh Manson? 4.5M. Nick Jensen? 4.05M.

People need to look at the 4-5M range defensemen on Capfriendly, it ain't pretty. Jones at that price would be pretty sweet

This is true but it seems like a fantasy. Why? I would like to see a past example of a player traded with 50% retention for 7 more years. And he also has a hefty signing bonus structure that most owners hate.

What is the benchmark in terms of the largest contract traded with term? I'm assuming nothing close to Jones contract that is left correct? The only thing that makes sense to me is a bad contract going the other way with no retention on Jones. Then the futures are negotiated from that.

If this situation develops, it will end up similar to the Karlsson trade. Some form of retention but certainly not 50% for 7 years. Blackhawks owner would probably not like paying him 50% of his yearly bonus every off season and he is not even with the team.

 

[joestevens29]

This is true but it seems like a fantasy. Why? I would like to see a past example of a player traded with 50% retention for 7 more years. And he also has a hefty signing bonus structure that most owners hate.

What is the benchmark in terms of the largest contract traded with term? I'm assuming nothing close to Jones contract that is left correct? The only thing that makes sense to me is a bad contract going the other way with no retention on Jones. Then the futures are negotiated from that.

If this situation develops, it will end up similar to the Karlsson trade. Some form of retention but certainly not 50% for 7 years. Blackhawks owner would probably not like paying him 50% of his yearly bonus every off season and he is not even with the team.

Assuming Kessel 7 years retained 1.2mil per year

 

[joestevens29]

Really don't see Chicago even looking to trade Jones. Yes he might be slightly overpaid, but how much better does he look if he isn't playing 5 minutes a game more than the next d-man on the club?

Barring him demanded a trade I don't see them looking to trade him anytime soon. Even then they go 50% retainage they aren't adding picks or prospects to the mix to "move" him out.

At 50% retainage there would be every team in the league looking at him. Maybe he wouldn't go to every team, but I'm sure they could find a decent amount of teams he'd be willing to go to where he'd get a good return.