Value of: Seth Jones (50% retained)

[Pavels Dog]

Ain't nobody retaining for 7 years, on any deal.

This.

The way to look at cap retention is that 1 year of retention is worth 1 asset in return. The value of the asset is dependant on how much money is retained.

4+ mil retained? Easily worth a 1st round pick. So in this scenario, 7 years of retention = 7 1st rounders of value. Minimum.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No team is retaining that much, let alone a sweetener. If retaining 50%, there will be no sweetener, will be something coming back.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Here's a better idea.

Chicago pretends that they are retaining half of Jones salary, they keep their top pairing d-man and they keep the draft picks.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

At $4.75mil Jones has a ton of value.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Hypothetically, Jones at 50% would garner huge attention/offers.
Realistically, there's no way Chicago even considers retaining that much for that long.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

a late first and a mid 2nd isn't a lot for a contract with 7 years left on it

You want chicago to eat 4.75 million cap for a huge chunk of Bedards career and you don't see a problem with that in and of itself? No, you think Chicago should attach a first and seconds so they can hold that deadcap on top of it. It's pure stupidity.

 

[Golden_Jet]

a late first and a mid 2nd isn't a lot for a contract with 7 years left on it

$34 million in Retention isn’t enough lol.

 

[ImJustJokinen]

People are ridiculous.

As another poster said, Guys like Jones and Nurse are very good low end 1Ds. Overpaid by about 1.5mil, that's it. We've taken a narrative and just gone crazy with it over the past few years.

 

[westc2]

9.5 cap hit is crazy for Seth Jones. He really fleeced the Hawks with that contract. 6 million would have been more appropriate. So I would say the Hawks would probably have to retain something like 3 million in order to trade him.

He's looked pretty bad every time I've seen him play for the Hawks and it's not because of the team. He makes constant individual mistakes whenever he touches the puck.

 

[Captain Mountain]

well he doesn't seem to be worth his contract and this may be a way to get out of it without having to buy him out.

You asked about 50% retention, which locks in the cap issues for Chicago for 7 years and then asked them to give picks as well. Jones is absolutely overpaid, but teams would definitely see value at 50%. Certainly not a 1st and 2nd cap dump.

Chicago also doesn't need cap space and Jones has a NMC and wouldn't want to go to Vancouver anyways.

So yeah, Chicago isn't retaining for 7 years and if they were, your proposal is miles off.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

So Jones, a first pairing guy, at 50% retained needs a sweetener of a first and second round pick....

Hell, throw Bedard in there as well......

Deal.

 

[AslanRH]

This is still open?
Beyond the retaining for 7 years part, having to add sweeteners to a < $5m hit on top of it is just mind numbingly poor.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

well he doesn't seem to be worth his contract and this may be a way to get out of it without having to buy him out.

He's like 1 to 1.5M overpaid at most.

This thread is troll af, not only does he have full control over where he plays you are asking Chicago to pay him 35.5M in actual money to not play for them. And you want them to pay you to take him???? Keep ideas like this on EA

 

[Space umpire]

all you see is Chicago fans complain about the jones contract, imo he is definitely considered a negative asset at most it won't be considered a cap dump if it has some level of retention.

We Chicago fans appreciate your concern about our team. Who better to know than a Canuck fan with their history of championships.
Really, where is your team? Year 50 of the rebuild?

Honestly though, Jones is a #1 D. A bit overpaid right now but that’s not an issue for Chicago’s cap situation. 3-4 years from now when the cap dollars matter in Chicago the salary cap will be significantly higher and his salary would appear to line up pretty well.

Again, thank you for your concern and have a pleasant day.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

well he doesn't seem to be worth his contract and this may be a way to get out of it without having to buy him out.

Chicago probably won't be a cap team for 5 years, it will be much more manageable to deal with a possible Seth Jones albatross then v. try to get out now, when they don't care about spending every cap dollar efficiently. I do agree that if there was some way out without retention they should do it now, retaining and paying to dump him seems to be a nonstarter to me.

 

[hamzarocks]

7 years retention is just way to long

Thats 4.75M dead cap during years 4-7 when Hawks will be in Prime Bedard contention window

Even the Assets you get back, say a high end prospects/young player will be looking to get paid (say 5-8M) so that kills/hurts the hawks LT as they cant build around the piece obtained as the 4.75M dead cap is lingering for another 4 years

If Jones was at 3 years term 50% retention would be amazing

Get a really good prosepct + 1st and you can afford 3 years of 4.75M dead cap. The term kills this deal

 

[x Tame Impala]

Those dumbass JFresh charts give fans the illusion of player evaluation. Now that Bedard is here more non-Hawks fans will be tuning into Hawks games but the last two years I’d bet maybe 5% of this forum has seen him play for any significant stretch of time.

Probably a bad trade and worse contract extension fueled by Bowman’s desperation but Jones is still going to be a reliable Dman for a long time. We’re not going to be tight against the cap for at least 3 years, probably 5. No way would any GM tie up a retention spot and have $4.75m of dead cap on the books for 7 years. OP is out to lunch

 

[Crow]

This is by far the stupidest proposal I’ve seen here and that’s saying something.

 

[oceanchild]

if you resign pettersson for 7 years and retain half of the contract you might be able to move him without including your 1st.

The two are not equivalent. I get the point you’re trying to make, but Pettersson for 7 years at say $4.75 would be worth an Eric Lindros type return.

 

[Chet Manley]

The Hawks have the most cap space in the league. They aren't paying for Jones to leave. Unless his play is buyout bad.(it's not)

 

[Oilslick941611]

well he doesn't seem to be worth his contract and this may be a way to get out of it without having to buy him out.

why would Chicago want to trade him? snd have dead cap for 7 years? they'll trade him if they need too, but he has value to them as their number 1 d man and his contract isn't hurting them.

 

[Oilslick941611]

del

 

[TGWL]

At 50% retain he's going for 3rd line rate, and #4 money on the d side. Contracts are going up. More cap means everybody is asking for more, not just your star players. You can't expect Jones for 50% for the rest of his contract.

 

[TBF1972]

The two are not equivalent. I get the point you’re trying to make, but Pettersson for 7 years at say $4.75 would be worth an Eric Lindros type return.

i just needed an example with a 7yr contract but wanted to avoid jt miller in this thread.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

The OP came under heat pretty quickly, held his ground with a few replies, then slinked away to the penalty box and felt shame.

There have been ample reasons already given for the nonsensical nature of this trade proposal - but just in case those reasons weren't compelling enough - here's another reason that Chicago would not agree to the trade proposal.

Seth Jones may not meet everyone's criteria for a #1 NHL d-man, especially given his salary - but he is a solid right hand d-man that skates well and can anchor a defensive core that will have rookie d-men breaking into the league this season - and all of them play LD - Korchinski, Kaiser, Vlassic and Phillips will all be better off learning the NHL game with Jones as their d-partner than anyone else the Hawks can put into the lineup. For that reason alone he is worth more to the Hawks than he would be to other teams.