Arthur Morgan
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gave up our 1st to clear Marleau so we could keep Kap and Johnsson and trade later for less value than Jarvis is worth
Seth Jarvis haunts me.
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smoneil
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Why? There is literally no point to this post. Not only is it an odd bit of flex considering Jarvis's role in the GTG in game 1, but Carolina and their fans have been relatively chill with us through the years. There is no need to shit all over a thread about one of their young players, about whom they have every reason to be excited.
The S5
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Jarvis is a little dude that plays like he's 6'4". No hesitation to go to the front of the net or corners. Takes his licks and goes right back at it.
The Crypto Guy
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The chances the leafs would have even drafted him are slim to none.Current playoff stats: 8GP, 3G, 3A, 6P. Tied with Aho as of today, 2 behind the team lead.
Of all the many blunders we've seen my organization make, I think trading away this pick will be looked back on as one of the worst during this management's reign.
This kid looks like an absolute gamer at 20. I realistically was not worried about Carolina getting him on draft day because I thought he'd go in the 7-9 range...when he fell to our pick, I just knew it was going to be painful to watch him.
Canes got a beauty.
He took a nasty stick to face yesterday, came back out next shift. Kid is tough, his interview, said he just knew he had to block that shot, was hoping it would hit his helmet, not the teeth.
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Seth looked very good again last night, in my opinion.
When people look back at the current era Leafs and wonder why it never worked out, the ridiculous contract negotiations from their 3 star forwards has to be one of the top reasons.
If the Leafs had an extra 3-4M in cap space, Marleau doesn’t get dumped to Carolina and Seth Jarvis is a Toronto Maple Leaf.
The forward group would have actual depth instead of the good but not amazing value players Dubas somehow keeps finding.
Maybe the forward group wouldn’t be much different but they instead use the extra dollars on a goalie who’s a legitimate stud and the Campbell/Mrazek situation never happens.
You can argue they’re all worth their respective contracts, and you’d probably be right. It’s just very unfortunate for the Leafs that all three players felt the need to squeeze out every dollar possible during their RFA negotiations.
Tavares is a completely different story. He was a free agent and signed with Toronto even though he had more lucrative deals on the table. Really unfortunate that he gets so much blame when everyone knew he’d slow down at 30.
If the Leafs had an extra 3-4M in cap space, Marleau doesn’t get dumped to Carolina and Seth Jarvis is a Toronto Maple Leaf.
The forward group would have actual depth instead of the good but not amazing value players Dubas somehow keeps finding.
Maybe the forward group wouldn’t be much different but they instead use the extra dollars on a goalie who’s a legitimate stud and the Campbell/Mrazek situation never happens.
You can argue they’re all worth their respective contracts, and you’d probably be right. It’s just very unfortunate for the Leafs that all three players felt the need to squeeze out every dollar possible during their RFA negotiations.
Tavares is a completely different story. He was a free agent and signed with Toronto even though he had more lucrative deals on the table. Really unfortunate that he gets so much blame when everyone knew he’d slow down at 30.
Artorius Horus T
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20 goals and almost 50 points for the Canes this season.
+ 11 points in 9 AHL games last season
That's about 60 pro points as a pro.
Crazy that 4 years ago, he was still playing in the CSSHL, in middle of nowhere in Kelowna,
now 1 win away from facing the 3-time stanley cup winners Tampa, in the NHL Conference Finals...
His career trajectory so far been crazy, 2 full seasons in the WHL, straight to the AHL and then to the NHL...
never represented team Canada at the u18 nor u20 wjc,..never had the time i guess LOL
+ 11 points in 9 AHL games last season
That's about 60 pro points as a pro.
Crazy that 4 years ago, he was still playing in the CSSHL, in middle of nowhere in Kelowna,
now 1 win away from facing the 3-time stanley cup winners Tampa, in the NHL Conference Finals...
His career trajectory so far been crazy, 2 full seasons in the WHL, straight to the AHL and then to the NHL...
never represented team Canada at the u18 nor u20 wjc,..never had the time i guess LOL
kp61c
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He’s a great young player but it’s kind of pointless to say the Leafs traded him for Marleau when there’s no guarantee they would have taken him with the pick. A number of other GMs also passed on him.
Having said that they were likely getting a good player in the draft if they had hung onto Marleau for one more year. Trading a first just to get rid of a year seems like a waste of a valuable asset.
Having said that they were likely getting a good player in the draft if they had hung onto Marleau for one more year. Trading a first just to get rid of a year seems like a waste of a valuable asset.
Absolutely thrilled with the outlook for Jarvis going forward. Having said that, gotta point out that his official Canes pic reminds me of something you'd see on an old time wanted poster, lol.
It was the cap space that the Leafs wanted. As a 35+ contract he was going to count against them regardless. And he wanted to go to the West coast. So, if he didn't report or had the contract voided to become a UFA, the Leafs would be on the hook for his $6.25 mil cap hit regardless. That was the problem. Leafs up to that point had paid him $2 mill more than his salary cap hit btw.
For a league that wanted a salary cap for years leading up to the 2004 lockout and lost season, it still boggles my mind that the NHL was so ill prepared at the setup of the salary cap. NFL had a salary cap and every dollar a team pays a player hits their salary cap. That's why you hear these massive dead cap hits that Matt Ryan cost ATL at $40 mill. And Russell Wilson costs Seattle $24 mill in dead cap. Due to the un-allocated signing bonuses they received and their contract restructures over the years.
So, mind blowing that the NHL allowed teams to bury guys on 1 way contacts in the AHL or Europe and not have those cap hits count. Like Huet, Nylander, Redden, etc. and guys on much lower contracts between 2005-2012.
NHL would not have needed to have 35+ conditions or max term deals if they made it clear in the language of the CBA that all money paid to the player on 1 way deals would hit your salary cap. Could have put in a condition where the Un-allocated difference between cash and cap hit, would be applied at the lessor of the remaining term of the contract or the number of years the player played on the contract or even a hard number limit. Like if you signed a 35 year old to a 10 year deal and he retired after 2 years, any excess money paid over the cap hit would be dead cap for 2 years not the remaining 8 to prevent teams from simply adding years to lower the cap hit.
The NFL template was there for the NHL. They just bungled it.
If the NHL had set it up like that, then if Marleau wanted to be on the west coast more than getting the remaining $4.25 mill of his leafs deal, then get the deal terminated and sign out west. Leafs eat $2 mill in dead cap for 19-20 season.
Toronto traded the 13th pick to ditch Marleau? Terrible value...
???? They traded a top 10 protected 2020 1st coming off 100 pt season.
COVID happens and the leafs end up 13th pick
They kept kappy and Johnson with Marleaus money and traded for the KNOWN 15th pick, hallander. Rodrigues. And Anderson
The trade is Marleau and the 13th for the
1 year of kappy/Johnson. And
15th. Rodrigues. Hallander. Anderson.
Amirov ends up with brain cancer which is a tragedy.
But the trade was fine.
SnowblindNYR
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Current playoff stats: 8GP, 3G, 3A, 6P. Tied with Aho as of today, 2 behind the team lead.
Of all the many blunders we've seen my organization make, I think trading away this pick will be looked back on as one of the worst during this management's reign.
This kid looks like an absolute gamer at 20. I realistically was not worried about Carolina getting him on draft day because I thought he'd go in the 7-9 range...when he fell to our pick, I just knew it was going to be painful to watch him.
Canes got a beauty.
This might have been brought up but do you know that the Leafs would have taken him if they stayed put?
Nostradumbass
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True, but in most cases when a team trades a first, they get a good player in return. Toronto traded a first to dump Patrick Marleau’s contract. It’s a steep price to pay to get rid of a player you don’t want.
He wasn’t going to draft him anyway, his RelGFxjejfjr€%£ per 60 was terrible.
I’m pretty sure you’re a big hater of the Leafs than you are a fan of the Bruins.
Get a life buddy.
I disagree with the crisp passes. I have no data to back up my claim, but the passes I've noted have been far from crisp, often being off target by a good 1m+! The defensive game also has a lot of room for growth. Balls of steel tho.
