Seravalli: NHL Back to AZ Within 5yrs ?!?

[Viqsi]

Have they had the track record of attendance Ottawa has had?

Have they had the track record of on-ice performance Ottawa has had?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

 

[SpezDispenser]

Have they had the track record of on-ice performance Ottawa has had?

No, nor the attendance. So why did you even mention Ottawa?

 

[Viqsi]

No

So, basically, that market has never even gotten a chance to actually see competent hockey and thus learn to appreciate it? Thus possibly contributing to why attendance is so crap?

 

[StreetHawk]

Arizona hasn't?

Coyotes changed owners a few times. Why didn't anyone good view the Coyotes as a worthwhile investment over the past 15 years since Moyes declared bankruptcy?
Can imagine most want something turnkey, vs having to deal with the city on a new arena and have the spotlight of being a billionaire asking for taxpayer funds right off the hop before they've built up some goodwill.

 

[Gliff]

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Its the 11th biggest media market in NA.
There are 4.8 million people in the Phoenix area, twice Vegas and 4 times Salt Lake City areas.

The team made the playoffs 4 times since 2002. I dont blame the fans for not being invested. Why invest when the product sucks due to the ownership sucking. Why go to a game when the experience sucks.

I get it's hard to understand in Edmonton where there is nothing to do except hockey, but large markets in America have other options. All 3 of the other major sports leagues are in Phoenix. If the Ducks were run as poorly as the Coyotes were they would also not have a huge fanbase.

Look at Florida. Their attendance was trash while the team was bad. Now that they are good they are selling out every game.

 

[Juxta Position]

Its the 11th biggest media market in NA.
There are 4.8 million people in the Phoenix area, twice Vegas and 4 times Salt Lake City areas.

The team made the playoffs 4 times since 2002. I dont blame the fans for not being invested. Why invest when the product sucks due to the ownership sucking. Why go to a game when the experience sucks.

I get it's hard to understand in Edmonton where there is nothing to do except hockey, but large markets in America have other options. All 3 of the other major sports leagues are in Phoenix. If the Ducks were run as poorly as the Coyotes were they would also not have a huge fanbase.

Look at Florida. Their attendance was trash while the team was bad. Now that they are good they are selling out every game.

First off, i don't live in Edmonton, secondly the size of the market is of no consequence if the populous does not connect with the sport. If Houston got a professional Cricket team, would anyone be surprised if they struggled to get fans to the games?

There could be 20 million people in the Phoenix area, if nobody's watching the games it's irrelevant, which hockey largely is in Arizona.

 

[Gliff]

First off, i don't live in Edmonton, secondly the size of the market is of no consequence if the populous does not connect with the sport. If Houston got a professional Cricket team, would anyone be surprised if they struggled to get fans to the games?

There could be 20 million people in the Phoenix area, if nobody's watching the games it's irrelevant, which hockey largely is in Arizona.

Hockey isn't cricket so lets keep the strawman to a minimum. And you either just didn't read my comment or you don't care.

The team has been bad, because of ownership, for over 20 years. They have been in need of an arena made for hockey for the whole of their existence. There are 3 other professional sports teams in town. Why would you invest in a team/experience like that?

 

[TheLegend]

Coyotes changed owners a few times. Why didn't anyone good view the Coyotes as a worthwhile investment over the past 15 years since Moyes declared bankruptcy?

The annual summers of the media pushing out countless stories of relocation certainly didn't do much help.

Can imagine most want something turnkey, vs having to deal with the city on a new arena and have the spotlight of being a billionaire asking for taxpayer funds right off the hop before they've built up some goodwill.

This... to a large degree.

But there's a lot more that can be said.

 

[Juxta Position]

Hockey isn't cricket so lets keep the strawman to a minimum. And you either just didn't read my comment or you don't care.

The team has been bad, because of ownership, for over 20 years. They have been in need of an arena made for hockey for the whole of their existence. There are 3 other professional sports teams in town. Why would you invest in a team/experience like that?

That is not a strawman argument. for as upset as you're getting (no idea why) the truth is that hockey is not big enough in that area regardless of how many people live there.

Maybe it would have been different if they would've had success early into the move from Winnipeg, and you can blame ownership/management whatever the cause for the lack of success was, but they didn't have success, so once the novelty of a new team wore off, apathy towards the Coyotes set in. there is very little foundational knowledge and love of the game of hockey from residents in that area.

Saying Arizona is a good market because the other pro sports teams do well there is exactly the reason why hockey ISN'T surviving there. it's a niche sport that the majority of residents haven't played, or grown up watching, so why would they divide their attention from the local sports teams they have followed their whole lives and probably played the sport growing up?

When Vegas moved in, they were the only professional sports team in town, plus they went to the Stanley Cup final in their first season, and have been good from day 1. they've solidified a fan base because of those reasons. Arizona has had not done the same.