Confirmed with Link: Sens trade 9oa for Eklund and prospects

[Burrowsaurus]

I'm supposed to get excited about this?


Nope. He sucks.

Small winger who doesn't score much, but is a good passer. Major downgrade for our team.

It was always going to be a downgrade.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Id be very tempted to flip Eklund for Laf if that is on the table. Actually I would do it no hesitation.

Wait Eklund. The guy we just gave 9 up for ? That eklund

 

[LiseL]

Yorkie is a huge homer so for him to be disappointed says a lot

What did they think the Sens would get with 9 OV in this draft which isn't particularly deep? They said they haven't seen Eklund play, but somehow this isn't a good deal?

Not doing any research before speaking makes me question their hockey IQ.

 

[SideBurnBarron]

I think we need to stop just lookikng at the canes as a way of building a team. Canes had a easier path through the east facing a lot of new playoff teams and not having to face Florida.

They earned it but its dangerous to keep pointing to the canes as a way of building when they are more an outlier

Okay, then what's the better solution?

This is a small-market Canadian team that doesn't attract elite free agents and usually has to overpay to keep the stars it already has. Given those realities, how exactly would you build it? They literally just dumped their captain who they drafted and developed. How many stars have left since you have been a fan.

The Sens are already built very similarly to Carolina: strong down the middle, strong on defence, relentless forecheck thats this teams identity.

And let's not pretend Carolina is some cautionary tale. They've been one of the best and most consistent teams in the league for years. Every team but one falls short each season. They just blasted Vegas coming out of a Western conference with alot of elite teams.

They were also a way deeper faster team this year than previous years. They added Stankoven, Ehlers, Bussi, Miller and players like Blake were a year older.

It's easy to say, "Don't build like Carolina." What's the alternative? Because I haven't heard one yet. The sens arent even in their prime yet. Teams that win all their best players are late 20's. Sanderson and Stutzle just turned 24.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Okay, then what's the better solution?

This is a small-market Canadian team that doesn't attract elite free agents and usually has to overpay to keep the stars it already has. Given those realities, how exactly would you build it? They literally just dumped their captain who they drafted and developed. How many stars have left since you have been a fan.

The Sens are already built very similarly to Carolina: strong down the middle, strong on defence, relentless forecheck thats this teams identity.

And let's not pretend Carolina is some cautionary tale. They've been one of the best and most consistent teams in the league for years. Every team but one falls short each season. They just blasted Vegas coming out of a Western conference with alot of elite teams.

It's easy to say, "Don't build like Carolina." What's the alternative? Because I haven't heard one yet.

Well said. Why the f*** would we not build like Carolina?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The Rangers want out of Lafreniere's huge contract that has 6 more years to go at $7.45m AAV to 2032.

I don’t think so. He had almost 60 points with not much PP time. He’s getting more oppurtunities with Panarin gone.

With the cap going forward that’s not a bad contract at all.

 

[LiseL]

don't think hes ever been a big finisher

No but I imagine it's a part of his game he wants to work on but couldn't last summer due to injury. Anyways, having playmakers in your top 6 is not a bad thing. Coach just needs to pair them with shooters.

 

[HSF]

Okay, then what's the better solution?

This is a small-market Canadian team that doesn't attract elite free agents and usually has to overpay to keep the stars it already has. Given those realities, how exactly would you build it? They literally just dumped their captain who they drafted and developed. How many stars have left since you have been a fan.

The Sens are already built very similarly to Carolina: strong down the middle, strong on defence, relentless forecheck thats this teams identity.

And let's not pretend Carolina is some cautionary tale. They've been one of the best and most consistent teams in the league for years. Every team but one falls short each season. They just blasted Vegas coming out of a Western conference with alot of elite teams.

They were also a way deeper faster team this year than previous years. They added Stankoven, Ehlers, Bussi, Miller and players like Blake were a year older.

It's easy to say, "Don't build like Carolina." What's the alternative? Because I haven't heard one yet. The sens arent even in their prime yet. Teams that win all their best players are late 20's. Sanderson and Stutzle just turned 24.

Canes only have 6 players they drafted.

They have built a culture of winning with excellent pro and amateur scouting and have found players via the draft, trades and UFA. Thats what a lot of the good teams have done weather they are big or small markets.

Remember Canes turned Necas into Rantanen and into Stankoven

The Sens need to find excellent value players through the draft but also through free agency and through trades. Florida did the same thing

Do we have the staff to do that? we haven't seen it yet

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think we need to stop just lookikng at the canes as a way of building a team. Canes had a easier path through the east facing a lot of new playoff teams and not having to face Florida.

They earned it but its dangerous to keep pointing to the canes as a way of building when they are more an outlier

What’s the other way to build a team. Canes built a good team no true superstars. Debatable.

The other way is just super high drafting or drafting super stars. We haven’t done it.

 

[HSF]

What’s the other way to build a team. Canes built a good team no true superstars. Debatable.

The other way is just super high drafting or drafting super stars. We haven’t done it.

All the cups winners (except vegas?) have done well in drafting, free agency and trades including Canes and Florida.

You need to be good at just getting talented players while not overpaying.

 

[SideBurnBarron]

Canes only have 6 players they drafted.

They have built a culture of winning with excellent pro and amateur scouting and have found players via the draft, trades and UFA. Thats what a lot of the good teams have done weather they are big or small markets.

Remember Canes turned Necas into Rantanen and into Stankoven

The Sens need to find excellent value players through the draft but also through free agency and through trades. Florida did the same thing

Do we have the staff to do that? we haven't seen it yet

So what's your point?

Why shouldn't Ottawa try to build like Carolina?

You keep bringing up that Carolina only has six drafted players, but nobody is saying Ottawa should only use the draft. Staios has already used trades, free agency, and the draft. That's exactly how Carolina built their roster.

The bigger point is the style and structure of the team. Ottawa already has strong centre depth, a strong defence corps, and a heavy forechecking game. They need a couple more high-tempo 40-60 point wingers and suddenly they start looking a lot like the team that just won the Cup.

And it didn't happen overnight in Carolina either. It took years of drafting, development, trades, and patience. Ottawa's core, including Eklund, is still 26 and under. They're not supposed to be at their peak yet.

So again, what's the alternative? Because everything you're describing is exactly what Carolina did.

 

[HSF]

So what's your point?

Why shouldn't Ottawa try to build like Carolina?

You keep bringing up that Carolina only has six drafted players, but nobody is saying Ottawa should only use the draft. Staios has already used trades, free agency, and the draft. That's exactly how Carolina built their roster.

The bigger point is the style and structure of the team. Ottawa already has strong centre depth, a strong defence corps, and a heavy forechecking game. They need a couple more high-tempo 40-60 point wingers and suddenly they start looking a lot like the team that just won the Cup.

And it didn't happen overnight in Carolina either. It took years of drafting, development, trades, and patience. Ottawa's core, including Eklund, is still 26 and under. They're not supposed to be at their peak yet.

So again, what's the alternative? Because everything you're describing is exactly what Carolina did.

Just cause Canes didnt win with 'star' power doesnt mean we can win that way. Canes are more of an outlier in that case. Now if you have guys who play up to star level players like Hall, Stank and Blake then its possible but again Sens need much better scouting and moves to acccomplish that.

Lets also not forget the Canes signed one of the best UFAs avaliable when they signed Ehlers.

I think there are things you can take away from the Canes build but they shouldnt be the only team we try to build like.

 

[Tragedy]

Just cause Canes didnt win with 'star' power doesnt mean we can win that way. Canes are more of an outlier in that case. Now if you have guys who play up to star level players like Hall, Stank and Blake then its possible but again Sens need much better scouting and moves to acccomplish that.

Lets also not forget the Canes signed one of the best UFAs avaliable when they signed Ehlers.

I think there are things you can take away from the Canes build but they shouldnt be the only team we try to build like.

Gonna go out on a limb and say we probably shouldn't try and build like Vegas or Florida and have players force their way here or take large discounts

 

[HSF]

Gonna go out on a limb and say we probably shouldn't try and build like Vegas or Florida and have players force their way here or take large discounts

Florida drafted a bunch of guys but then also traded for depressed assets like Reinhart, bennett and verhaege , forsling then made them into great players. Canes have done similar.

I think the best teams have similar things in common such has excellent scouting at the pro and amateur level

 

[Wes Walz]

Anyone else would have rather just picked at 9? I really like the prospects at that range.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

All the cups winners (except vegas?) have done well in drafting, free agency and trades including Canes and Florida.

You need to be good at just getting talented players while not overpaying.

Yes but we are in the spot we are. We have the leaders we have. It’s Stutzle and Sanderson. To do things the other way we need to rebuild.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Anyone else would have rather just picked at 9? I really like the prospects at that range.

Well how many are going to put up ~60 points for us each year for the next 3 years. Zero

 

[HSF]

Yes but we are in the spot we are. We have the leaders we have. It’s Stutzle and Sanderson. To do things the other way we need to rebuild.

our core is good but we need to add by not overpaying.

Chychrun was a move that I thought was something a good team would not have done. We also have thus far missed on Zetterlund and maybe Ullmark? I think our scouting and management just need to be better. We need to draft better

 

[KevinRedkey]

Anyone else would have rather just picked at 9? I really like the prospects at that range.

I'd have personally been mildly upset if we kept the pick tbh.

 

[God Says No]

It was always going to be a downgrade.

Sure, but not a *major* downgrade. I hate Eklund.

 

[Karelia Hurricanes]

Sure, but not a *major* downgrade. I hate Eklund.

WTF has he ever done to you?

 

[Karelia Hurricanes]

Florida drafted a bunch of guys but then also traded for depressed assets like Reinhart, bennett and verhaege , forsling then made them into great players. Canes have done similar.

I think the best teams have similar things in common such has excellent scouting at the pro and amateur level

Florida's amateur scouting has really not been that impressive going back the last decade. Not bad by any means, but not good either. Vegas' amateur scouting for their existence has also just been alright. Both have elite pro scouting, though. Carolina is the only team with excellent pro and amateur scouting.

 

[God Says No]

Anyone else would have rather just picked at 9? I really like the prospects at that range.

Same. If this was the deal, then keep the 9.

The chances of the 9th OA pick being close to as good as Eklund are not great odds and it would take 3 years. Plus they got 2 extra assets. One of them is pretty decent.

I doubt you will like what Staios is trying to do. It wont be for everyone but its the way you have to build a small market team with this identity. He plays alot like Jackson Blake. Do you like him?

Actually, I like my chances with the 9 over Eklund.

I don't see the comparison to Blake. Blake has jam, this guy is small and not very good defensively. He's got no shot, and struggles 5on5. His only plus is his playmaking. Blake can actually score goals.

The 2 extras don't move the needle. They are both big. One has a good shot, but can't get into scoring positions. He's been described as Laine light. One trick pony.

 

[God Says No]

WTF has he ever done to you?

Nothing, except that he's not very good. He's invisible most nights. Terrible 5on5.

 

[HSF]

Florida's amateur scouting has really not been that impressive going back the last decade. Not bad by any means, but not good either. Vegas' amateur scouting for their existence has also just been alright. Both have elite pro scouting, though. Carolina is the only team with excellent pro and amateur scouting.

yes their pro scouting is elite

most of the top teams have excellent pro scouting.