Post-Game Talk: Sens @ Rangers: The misadventures of the Hobbit and the Lorax

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I have no problem with Staal going after him he showed passion and guts..Sometimes those things count more than a point..We will still get 2 seed so nothing was lost...The sad thing is look who was out on the ice during the hit not one person who could do a thing...I love little Zuc but lets face he's a side show when things get nasty



You said it was a clean hit. Does every clean hit warrant someone being punched?

Old time hockey!
 
I sincerely hope AV switches from man-to-man to a hybrid zone/man coverage system in the off-season. Man-to-man has been nothing short of a disaster some nights for this Rangers team.

While I agree in proniple, tonight Ottawa generated most of their offense tonight off of the rush and a face off play. The Rangers issues were Ottawa consistently made a cross ice pass just inside the blue line off the rush with the wings driving the net. It left Ottawa open in the center of the ice a bunch in the first. The Rangers adjusted and had their D step up and close the middle off the rush and Ottawa could not score after that.
 
....no.

Brian Boyle is an excellent penalty killer. Dom Moore is an excellent penalty killer. Derek Stepan isn't even an excellent penalty killer, and he's worlds better than Nash.

Nash is a good shorthanded producer. This is neat. I love short handed goals, more than most (it's got an overcoming the odds feel). But calling Nash an excellent penalty killer is like calling Brian Boyle an excellent goal scorer. They can do it every now and then, but if you're relying on them for it, you're going to get bitten.

Every time Nash has been put on the PK he has done very well defensively and added an offensive threat while shorthanded. Comparing Nash's defense to Boyle's offense is laughable.
 
I have no problem with Staal going after him he showed passion and guts..Sometimes those things count more than a point..We will still get 2 seed so nothing was lost...The sad thing is look who was out on the ice during the hit not one person who could do a thing...I love little Zuc but lets face he's a side show when things get nasty

Side show yes perhaps, but he shows heart. Not enough of that on this team.
He makes MsL, ex captain of the Lightning, look like his baby brother
 
Zuc has a huge heart he is a pit bull no doubt..but the Sens were laughing at him



Side show yes perhaps, but he shows heart. Not enough of that on this team.
He makes MsL, ex captain of the Lightning, look like his baby brother
 
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Side show yes perhaps, but he shows heart. Not enough of that on this team.
He makes MsL, ex captain of the Lightning, look like his baby brother

I don't wanna speculate to far but if zucc started the season playing well and never broke his hand he probably has similar or better numbers than MSL
 
I sincerely hope AV switches from man-to-man to a hybrid zone/man coverage system in the off-season. Man-to-man has been nothing short of a disaster some nights for this Rangers team.

Ya the coaches aren't changing their system 3 games before the playoffs... Lets be realistic.
 
I'd rather Nash be invisible (which he wasn't) than be extremely visible due to his horrible play, like Richards is
 
I love little Zuc but lets face he's a side show when things get nasty

He actually sent Neil down on his knees, I kind of loved it and wouldn't call it a side show.

It would be another story if Zucc got into a fight.
But who knows, despite lack of size he's so strong and explosive, and in a position for a solid uppercut...then it's good night ;)

But I don't want to see him fight anyway, we can't afford to lose him.

I wish Kreider had balls like Zucc...
 
Dumbest post of the night. I mean have you even looked at his stats the last 10 games?

I don't even read his posts anymore. He is a widely known Henrik Lundqvist critic. When he stops 36 of 37 shots he will have something negative to say about him.

A lot of things to complain about, but Lundqvist's play over the last two months isn't one of them.

He has statistically been one of the top goaltenders in the NHL since January 1st. Whether he has a bad game, two or three, he is statistically one of the top goaltenders since the 2014 calendar year begun.

Over the first 25-30 games his criticism was warranted. The last 25-30? It just comes off as unrealistic and silly. If you go back to the Canucks game, the only goal he let up was "one he wanted back" according to fans. That means he should have had a shutout. Against the Avalanche, both goals were "goals he should have stopped," despite stopping 35 of 37 shots. Again, that would mean he would have had another shutout. When the expectation for your goaltender is to put up multiple, consecutive shutouts, the expectations just get stupid.

Over the last 10 games he had one game I wasn't happy with and felt like he cost us a point, and that was against Calgary. Outside of that, he's been a big part of the teams success and has "out dueled" the majority of goaltenders he has been facing in 2014.

In his last 31GP he is a .929SV%, 19-9-3 with 3 shutouts. Like I said, he's one of the last players on the team people should be complaining about IF looking at recent performances and getting the team back in the playoff picture. And 31GP is a pretty big sample for putting up what are impressive numbers for any goaltender in the league.
 
I don't even read his posts anymore. He is a widely known Henrik Lundqvist critic. When he stops 36 of 37 shots he will have something negative to say about him.

A lot of things to complain about, but Lundqvist's play over the last two months isn't one of them.

He has statistically been one of the top goaltenders in the NHL since January 1st. Whether he has a bad game, two or three, he is statistically one of the top goaltenders since the 2014 calendar year begun.

Over the first 25-30 games his criticism was warranted. The last 25-30? It just comes off as unrealistic and silly. If you go back to the Canucks game, the only goal he let up was "one he wanted back" according to fans. That means he should have had a shutout. Against the Avalanche, both goals were "goals he should have stopped," despite stopping 35 of 37 shots. Again, that would mean he would have had another shutout. When the expectation for your goaltender is to put up multiple, consecutive shutouts, the expectations just get stupid.

Over the last 10 games he had one game I wasn't happy with and felt like he cost us a point, and that was against Calgary. Outside of that, he's been a big part of the teams success and has "out dueled" the majority of goaltenders he has been facing in 2014.

In his last 31GP he is a .929SV%, 19-9-3 with 3 shutouts. Like I said, he's one of the last players on the team people should be complaining about IF looking at recent performances and getting the team back in the playoff picture. And 31GP is a pretty big sample for putting up what are impressive numbers for any goaltender in the league.


Stats lie, like it does in this case. if you look at the number of weak goals allowed it would be all different. if you look at good chances vs saving percentage it would be different.

Henrik was terrible in 2013. He has been mediocre at best in 2014. Last season i felt good with Henrik in goal...this season i am waiting for disaster...why is that?

Our best players players do not produce...that is a problem. We rely on players like Brassard, Pouliout, Zuccarello and Stepan.

We should be able to rely on Nash, Richards, Henrik ans St. Louis - but they have been mediocre at best...this is a problem. This is THE problem....

If they dont collectively step up - playoff is moot. We will be swept.
 
Stats lie, like it does in this case. if you look at the number of weak goals allowed it would be all different. if you look at good chances vs saving percentage it would be different.

Henrik was terrible in 2013. He has been mediocre at best in 2014. Last season i felt good with Henrik in goal...this season i am waiting for disaster...why is that?

Our best players players do not produce...that is a problem. We rely on players like Brassard, Pouliout, Zuccarello and Stepan.

We should be able to rely on Nash, Richards, Henrik ans St. Louis - but they have been mediocre at best...this is a problem. This is THE problem....

If they dont collectively step up - playoff is moot. We will be swept.

So, when his stats were poor it was indicative of his play. When his stats are excellent, its moot and not indicative of his play.

I completely, completely disagree.

On almost all accounts, including all negative aspects afterwards.

I think in 2014 his bad goals have been few and far between, and his play has elevated the team back into a comfortable post season position.

Relax about the forwards too. St. Louis will produce more moving forward. Nash, at some point needs to pick it up. It is not a bad thing that players like Pouliot are producing, its great that we have depth.

Henrik Lundqvist AND the New York Rangers are playing excellent hockey heading into the post season. Their record is indicative of that.

Will they make a lot of noise in the post season? No. Probably not. I am guessing they are eliminated in the first or second round. I'm fine with that too, because I did not expect them to make the Stanley Cup Finals. I think anyone who was expecting that, they had an unrealistic set of expectations. Sometimes you have to be happy with what the team is, and that is a top10-top15 team in the NHL that likely won't be able to go the distance. They are not built for it.
 
If we don't get some goals on the power play, all this is completely moot anyway. We are at 8% over the last month on the PP, mostly because AV insists on playing BR at the point on the first unit, who take a month and a half to set up in the zone. I'd rather play Diaz or J. Moore at the point.

Of course, all this doesn't mean s**t without McDonagh on the team, because without him and Kreider we aren't winning more than one round anyway.

BTW, I agree with those who says Lundqvist hasn't been up to snuff this year, but to says he's the big problem is ridiculous. He's been fine the second half of the year, just not all-World.

Would like to see them sit Richards and play one of the kids, the line of Boyle-MSL-Richards is laughably bad. Boyle has his uses, he's done well now that he's only a 4th liner, but he has what, 3 goals this yyear, one of which bounced in off his ass.
 
Steven ****ing Stamkos doesn't score a goal in every game. Get over it

Stamkos has played in 33 games this season and has 1 less goal than Nash in his 62 (that's 24 in 33 games to Nash's 25 in 62). Stamkos is also 1 point behind Nash on the season (37p in 33 games to Nash's 38p in 62 games). He scores pretty much every other game. His longest goal-less streak is 4: the Nov 11 game he got injured and the 3 games following his return. Outside of that, it's 3 games. None of our 'stars' equate to one Stamkos, even the post-injury version. Nash just looks like a corpse 9 nights out of 10 and I really don't care what his work ethic is in practices or workouts, because it barely translates to a real game. It's great these guys are trying, but at some point trying just isn't enough when you have about 1/3rd of your payroll wrapped up in 3 guys you're counting on to bring offense..and they just flat out do not. Guys like Brassard and Zuccarello have taken the reigns on a nightly basis. Where are Nash and Richards and MSL? They are supposed to be the ones propping this team up and again, they just flat out do not. They have proven they cannot be counted on in clutch games. They show up when the stars align once every other month.
 
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So, when his stats were poor it was indicative of his play. When his stats are excellent, its moot and not indicative of his play.

I completely, completely disagree.

On almost all accounts, including all negative aspects afterwards.

I think in 2014 his bad goals have been few and far between, and his play has elevated the team back into a comfortable post season position.

Relax about the forwards too. St. Louis will produce more moving forward. Nash, at some point needs to pick it up. It is not a bad thing that players like Pouliot are producing, its great that we have depth.

Henrik Lundqvist AND the New York Rangers are playing excellent hockey heading into the post season. Their record is indicative of that.

Will they make a lot of noise in the post season? No. Probably not. I am guessing they are eliminated in the first or second round. I'm fine with that too, because I did not expect them to make the Stanley Cup Finals. I think anyone who was expecting that, they had an unrealistic set of expectations. Sometimes you have to be happy with what the team is, and that is a top10-top15 team in the NHL that likely won't be able to go the distance. They are not built for it.

I think my reasoning here was flawed and a bit emotional regarding Lundqvist. I appreciate after engaging my brain that the amount of perimeter shots vs good scoring chances might be statistically close enough (or correct) across the board of goalkeepers in the league, and hence the SVP is also true across the board.

I should probably just have said that i have been severely disapointed in some of the goals allowed, especially this year.

I do also think that St. Louis might find his game...it kinda looks like zuccs game pre benching last year.

Contenders they might not be, but they sure are more entertaining than during the torts years...
 
Just have to say, I hate John Moore. He loses every battle along the wall, makes bad reads, whenever he has the puck he tries to rush it himself and has extreme tunnel vision and in the other team's zone he's thinking shot 100% no matter what. He's an infuriating player to watch.
 
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