OT: Sens Lounge LXXXII | Rise of Omni / Caeldan, the YES man

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

It's the long hours of studying and stressful environment mostly.

IP law is intellectual property law? I'm thinking of doing notarial to avoid the long hours/stressful environment. Notaries have it easier, especially if you work for yourself.

But I have doubts because I'm sure I'd be a real good lawyer. Feels like I would be throwing something away.

Finish off the semester and go take a personal 1 week holiday somewhere you can be alone. Don't bring anyone. Do some thinking. It could just be the school grind that's getting to you.

I was hating work as well now that tax season is on. I went home early for 2 days (so, normal 5:00pm haha), and I was like "Hey, this isn't so bad!"

Now I'm back to working until 7 Mon-Sat until May 1st... And I hate life with a passion... but I know it'll be worth it for the rest of the time when I have a stable, pretty easy lifestyle where I can afford pretty much anything I really want (I'm not a big spender, in general).


Maybe I can become like that accountant in the show Weeds.


Edit - I did some quick math, and looks like after I deduct sleeping, working, and my commute for the next 2 months, I'll only be able to enjoy 13.5% of my life week.

 

[Sensinitis]

Can't speak for notary law (I know zero Notaries), but everyone I know who has gone on to do IP law have said that while they could have made more money working 80+ hours a week in some other field of law, they don't regret their decision for a minute because they actually HAVE a family life, as opposed to many other lawyers who may have a family, but spend no time with them.

The one thing I've heard about IP law is that many partnerships are insane (ie: the main partners are eccentric and nutty and all of that), but I think that's mostly true with any partnership, regardless of their specialty. It's also a less... how would I put this... there is less of a glass ceiling in IP law at the moment. Much easier to work towards becoming a partner in a firm, if that's what your goal is

Thanks Bonkie. Will keep it in mind. For now I have to survive what's left of law school...

Finish off the semester and go take a personal 1 week holiday somewhere you can be alone. Don't bring anyone. Do some thinking. It could just be the school grind that's getting to you.

I was hating work as well now that tax season is on. I went home early for 2 days (so, normal 5:00pm haha), and I was like "Hey, this isn't so bad!"

Now I'm back to working until 7 Mon-Sat until May 1st... And I hate life with a passion... but I know it'll be worth it for the rest of the time when I have a stable, pretty easy lifestyle where I can afford pretty much anything I really want (I'm not a big spender, in general).


Maybe I can become like that accountant in the show Weeds.

I think it is the school grind getting to me. I've been in school since September 2013. I haven't had anything more than a 2 week break since then. It's depressing always thinking about school and always having to study. It's literally impossible to be "fully" prepared for an exam. There's always something extra you can do. Maybe I just gotta accept that?

I think my future lies in Law in one way or another. It's what I've had in mind from high school, everyone tells me I should be there (I know that's not very important), and it's where my gut is at. I'm also in law school so might as well finish... I think it's a question of what I do with it though.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Thanks Bonkie. Will keep it in mind. For now I have to survive what's left of law school...



I think it is the school grind getting to me. I've been in school since September 2013. I haven't had anything more than a 2 week break since then. It's depressing always thinking about school and always having to study. It's literally impossible to be "fully" prepared for an exam. There's always something extra you can do. Maybe I just gotta accept that?

I think my future lies in Law in one way or another. It's what I've had in mind from high school, everyone tells me I should be there (I know that's not very important), and it's where my gut is at. I'm also in law school so might as well finish... I think it's a question of what I do with it though.

Parlay it into a new role in Suits....

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That curriculum hadn't been updated since 1998

That is has almost 20 years later is victory in itself

I don't really have a strong opinion on the matter. I do have a strong opinion on those who do however

No kidding. I thought Canada was a progressive country. It's sad to see so many ignorant people out there.

My heart bleeds for teens (and adults) in the GLBT community that still have to deal with so many idiots out there. There's no way I could've dealt with that level of persecution and ignorance in my teen years.

I never thought we still had this level of hate in the country. It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Baby Ryan]

congrats!

Thanks man!

No kidding. I thought Canada was a progressive country. It's sad to see so many ignorant people out there.

My heart bleeds for teens (and adults) in the GLBT community that still have to deal with so many idiots out there. There's no way I could've dealt with that level of persecution and ignorance in my teen years.

I never thought we still had this level of hate in the country. It makes me sick to my stomach.

My school had some students from our school in the GLBT do a presentation during an assembly a couple months back.

I found that a lot of people were pretty accepting of them. At least the ones who attended the assembly.
I honestly find that most teens are pretty accepting of the GLBT community.

There's always going to be some group of idiots in every single country/group/organization like there is in hockey fan bases.

I don't want to be knocking on religion or anything, because it does have it's place, but it does play a role in some of the hate against the GLBT community.

Studying a bit of Canadian Family right now, children have to grow up with an open and independent mind (i.e: less sheltering, things not being shoved down their throats (such as it's wrong to have sex at this age/it is a sin in reference to the other topic going on)). If they are growing up in a more positive than negative environment and shown love, it can really make a difference. As well as adult modelling. Little kids are monkey see monkey do.

 

[maclean]

Thanks man!

I found that a lot of people were pretty accepting of them. At least the ones who attended the assembly.
I honestly find that most teens are pretty accepting of the GLBT community.

Depends a lot on the school. My school was the catch-all school for the weird kids and there a was a big atmosphere of tolerance there. But I did a county programme at another school for a semester and it was like being in a war zone where anyone who wasn't wearing a baseball cap was automatically a "***".

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

My school had some students from our school in the GLBT do a presentation during an assembly a couple months back.

I found that a lot of people were pretty accepting of them. At least the ones who attended the assembly.
I honestly find that most teens are pretty accepting of the GLBT community.

There's always going to be some group of idiots in every single country/group/organization like there is in hockey fan bases.

I don't want to be knocking on religion or anything, because it does have it's place, but it does play a role in some of the hate against the GLBT community.

Studying a bit of Canadian Family right now, children have to grow up with an open and independent mind (i.e: less sheltering, things not being shoved down their throats (such as it's wrong to have sex at this age/it is a sin in reference to the other topic going on)). If they are growing up in a more positive than negative environment and shown love, it can really make a difference. As well as adult modelling. Little kids are monkey see monkey do.

It's not the kids...it's the parents.

All this howling and outrage on the radio and TV and social media the past few months have been sickening. So much anti-immigration and anti-Muslin hatred, and now GLBT hate with Wynn and the new school curriculum. It's sickening.

It's hard to see so many hateful people out there. I thought Canada was well beyond that...especially since I haven't seen or heard this type of stuff for at least a decade or two in my own social/work circles.

I don't know how to say it....I thought Canada was a good, progressive country. Now it feels like it's full of backwards hicks. I dunno....maybe I need to turn off some of these radio programs and social media for a while. It's like waking up and finding out the country has been taken over by the nazis or something...it's just so bizarre. It makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Baby Ryan]

It's not the kids...it's the parents.

All this howling and outrage on the radio and TV and social media the past few months have been sickening. So much anti-immigration and anti-Muslin hatred, and now GLBT hate with Wynn and the new school curriculum. It's sickening.

It's hard to see so many hateful people out there. I thought Canada was well beyond that...especially since I haven't seen or heard this type of stuff for at least a decade or two in my own social/work circles.

I don't know how to say it....I thought Canada was a good, progressive country. Now it feels like it's full of backwards hicks. I dunno....maybe I need to turn off some of these radio programs and social media for a while. It's like waking up and finding out the country has been taken over by the nazis or something...it's just so bizarre. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Just did a little snooping as I wasn't too familiar with the sex Ed situation, and wow is that ever a big change.

I remember the earliest I learned was in grade 5.

I remember a South Park episode about this exact situation.

 

[saskriders]

No kidding. I thought Canada was a progressive country. It's sad to see so many ignorant people out there.

My heart bleeds for teens (and adults) in the GLBT community that still have to deal with so many idiots out there. There's no way I could've dealt with that level of persecution and ignorance in my teen years.

I never thought we still had this level of hate in the country. It makes me sick to my stomach.

I also feel like the country has shifted its views over the last 10 years or so.

 

[BonkTastic]

I also feel like the country has shifted its views over the last 10 years or so.

Canada is FAR more Americanized than we used to be.

Our entire right wing voting base pretty much looks to America as some amazing promised land.

 

[BonkTastic]

Also: Cointreau + sweet vermouth (ie: Martini Rosso) + white rum.

Equal parts, shaken over ice. Do it. Best drink in the world

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

It's not the kids...it's the parents.

All this howling and outrage on the radio and TV and social media the past few months have been sickening. So much anti-immigration and anti-Muslin hatred, and now GLBT hate with Wynn and the new school curriculum. It's sickening.

It's hard to see so many hateful people out there. I thought Canada was well beyond that...especially since I haven't seen or heard this type of stuff for at least a decade or two in my own social/work circles.

I don't know how to say it....I thought Canada was a good, progressive country. Now it feels like it's full of backwards hicks. I dunno....maybe I need to turn off some of these radio programs and social media for a while. It's like waking up and finding out the country has been taken over by the nazis or something...it's just so bizarre. It makes me sick to my stomach.

It just seems like there is much more hate because the internet and comment boards have made it easier for the vocal minority of backwards racists, xenophobes, homophobes, etc. to have a forum to express their stupid views and find others who share those stupid views.

Also keep in mind that these morons love to expound a ridiculous amount of energy and time pushing their hateful agendas. Good, caring people don't spend time countering these kind of views.

I'd say if you actually did a study from 1990 and a study today, the percentage of "haters" of a certain race, religion, or sexual orientation has probably gone down. It's just that there will always be a 5-10% of society that is just wrong in their thinking. And now that 5-10% have a voice to share their dumb opinions as opposed to the past.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

The flip side is I think it's also technology and the internet which has helped connect people and promote tolerance of people different from you.

Like anything there is good and bad. I don't know why I still go on yahoo I'm stuck in the 90s but the comments section seems to always be full of hateful conservatives. I could read a story about an owl playing with a panther or something and someone will somehow comment on it turning it into a disparaging comment about Obama and liberals.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Thanks Bonkie. Will keep it in mind. For now I have to survive what's left of law school...

I think it is the school grind getting to me. I've been in school since September 2013. I haven't had anything more than a 2 week break since then. It's depressing always thinking about school and always having to study. It's literally impossible to be "fully" prepared for an exam. There's always something extra you can do. Maybe I just gotta accept that?

I think my future lies in Law in one way or another. It's what I've had in mind from high school, everyone tells me I should be there (I know that's not very important), and it's where my gut is at. I'm also in law school so might as well finish... I think it's a question of what I do with it though.

Fellow law student here.

I was really stressed out in 1L as well. At U of T (at least last year), we had 5 full year courses and then 5 100% exams in April. It was the most anxiety-ridden month of my academic career. But it passed, and honestly the experience wasn't terrible outside of that one month.

In terms of preparing for exams, it's a crap shoot. I went to class, did my readings, briefed my cases, and then prepared summaries before each exam. This honestly worked out really well for me (and my worst class ended up being the one in which I used someone else's summary). Like you said, you will never be fully prepared for a fact-pattern type exam (assuming that is what you are dealing with). I just did my best to know the holdings and bring the course themes together in a summary.

Law is one of those careers where you really do need to love your work (I know it's cliche, but it applies here). If you are working at a full service firm, you will be working long hours (this varies by market of course). I think the worst part is the unpredictability of it all: one month can be quiet as hell, and then the next month you are in your office for days at a time. It's an industry of peaks and valleys and I think most lawyers need to be OK with a certain lack of control.

I don't know much about IP or notarial law. Again, I think geography is probably more important than practice area. An IP lawyer doing commercial litigation in New York (or even Toronto) is going to work extremely long hours, for example. Moreover, IP tends to come more naturally to people with a science background (this has always been a problem for me - I used to be really attracted to IP but have cooled off over the years).

I just accepted a summer position at a full service Bay Street firm and I'm coming to terms with things as well. I'll most likely be doing transactional work 80+ hours a week (at least for the start of my career). It puts law school in perspective: it's stressful and it's hard, but it's a hell of a lot more flexible than actually being a lawyer.

If it helps, I'm doing a combined JD/MBA and my first year of business school has been much worse than my 1L year (so things could be worse). Law school is full of very smart, interesting people, and the material is actually engaging. Plus, people tell me it gets way better in 2L and 3L (here's hoping).

Sorry for rambling. Law school does that to people. If you want to chat more shoot me a PM.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Anyone have any good podcasts to recommend? I generally listen to Very Bad Wizards, but I've cashed their entire episode list (and sometimes listened twice).

I like informative stuff, but nothing too preachy. I also like it to be kept light / humourous. I don't really mind the subject matter, either.

 

[Benjamin]

Rooster Teeth podcast. I've been listening to them weekly for 2 years. Never not hilarious. They are currently on podcast #311 so theres lots to watch.

They talk about everything in general but not for cereal. Just for jokes.

 

[Knave]

The flip side is I think it's also technology and the internet which has helped connect people and promote tolerance of people different from you.

Like anything there is good and bad. I don't know why I still go on yahoo I'm stuck in the 90s but the comments section seems to always be full of hateful conservatives. I could read a story about an owl playing with a panther or something and someone will somehow comment on it turning it into a disparaging comment about Obama and liberals.

If there is one place worse than Youtube comments, it's Yahoo comments.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

If there is one place worse than Youtube comments, it's Yahoo comments.

Yes, totally agree. Yahoo comments will make you lose faith in humanity.

 

[Benjamin]

Yahoo has become trolls trolling trolls but without the extremeness of 4chan.

 

[Knave]

Anyone have any good podcasts to recommend? I generally listen to Very Bad Wizards, but I've cashed their entire episode list (and sometimes listened twice).

I like informative stuff, but nothing too preachy. I also like it to be kept light / humourous. I don't really mind the subject matter, either.

Under the Influence is a radio show about marketing. I like the host and he usually tells stories in an interesting way.

Used to be called Age of Persuasion - now it's Under the Influence. It may or may not be too preachy, IDK.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Under the Influence is a radio show about marketing. I like the host and he usually tells stories in an interesting way.

Used to be called Age of Persuasion - now it's Under the Influence. It may or may not be too preachy, IDK.

Rooster Teeth podcast. I've been listening to them weekly for 2 years. Never not hilarious. They are currently on podcast #311 so theres lots to watch.

They talk about everything in general but not for cereal. Just for jokes.

I'll check these two out today! Thanks guys.

Right now I'm also just listening to Money Tree Investing. Pretty good for people that get no "free" equity (I.e, second gen. Canadians who'll inherit a house, car, some cash, ect.)

It's good in general, but I'm pretty stressed financially, and it's helped me a lot in terms of investment decisions.

Edit - Didn't mean to sound like a jerk towards people who have parents who grew up here. My life growing up wasn't difficult, I got everything I ever wanted as a kid. I just mean that I have no help as an adult, as opposed to people I know who are getting a free house. I get a free old parents who I have to take care of

 

[Sensinitis]

Fellow law student here.

I was really stressed out in 1L as well. At U of T (at least last year), we had 5 full year courses and then 5 100% exams in April. It was the most anxiety-ridden month of my academic career. But it passed, and honestly the experience wasn't terrible outside of that one month.

In terms of preparing for exams, it's a crap shoot. I went to class, did my readings, briefed my cases, and then prepared summaries before each exam. This honestly worked out really well for me (and my worst class ended up being the one in which I used someone else's summary). Like you said, you will never be fully prepared for a fact-pattern type exam (assuming that is what you are dealing with). I just did my best to know the holdings and bring the course themes together in a summary.

Law is one of those careers where you really do need to love your work (I know it's cliche, but it applies here). If you are working at a full service firm, you will be working long hours (this varies by market of course). I think the worst part is the unpredictability of it all: one month can be quiet as hell, and then the next month you are in your office for days at a time. It's an industry of peaks and valleys and I think most lawyers need to be OK with a certain lack of control.

I don't know much about IP or notarial law. Again, I think geography is probably more important than practice area. An IP lawyer doing commercial litigation in New York (or even Toronto) is going to work extremely long hours, for example. Moreover, IP tends to come more naturally to people with a science background (this has always been a problem for me - I used to be really attracted to IP but have cooled off over the years).

I just accepted a summer position at a full service Bay Street firm and I'm coming to terms with things as well. I'll most likely be doing transactional work 80+ hours a week (at least for the start of my career). It puts law school in perspective: it's stressful and it's hard, but it's a hell of a lot more flexible than actually being a lawyer.

If it helps, I'm doing a combined JD/MBA and my first year of business school has been much worse than my 1L year (so things could be worse). Law school is full of very smart, interesting people, and the material is actually engaging. Plus, people tell me it gets way better in 2L and 3L (here's hoping).

Sorry for rambling. Law school does that to people. If you want to chat more shoot me a PM.

I'm in 2L. Odd that you had 5 classes all year, but I guess instead of having for example Constitutional 1 and 2 you just had Constitutional all year. I had 9 classes + 3 smaller 1 credit classes.

Transactional work is contracts and stuff (formation, extinction)? I'm studying in French so IDK all the appropriate English terms.

Ya I know people doing the MBA too. They're in school 12 months a year. I think it'll come for me. My gut feeling was Notarial, I got that "flash" towards the end of my 1st year. Now IP law seems intriguing. I'll take the optional class offered in 3rd year, and I'll see how that goes. I just have to finish, and I think it'll come naturally. I'm just kinda "burnt out" with school though. There's not a month I haven't been in school for the past year and a half, and likely for the next year and a half it'll be the same thing. It's hard not having a break.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I'm in 2L. Odd that you had 5 classes all year, but I guess instead of having for example Constitutional 1 and 2 you just had Constitutional all year. I had 9 classes + 3 smaller 1 credit classes.

Transactional work is contracts and stuff (formation, extinction)? I'm studying in French so IDK all the appropriate English terms.

Ya I know people doing the MBA too. They're in school 12 months a year. I think it'll come for me. My gut feeling was Notarial, I got that "flash" towards the end of my 1st year. Now IP law seems intriguing. I'll take the optional class offered in 3rd year, and I'll see how that goes. I just have to finish, and I think it'll come naturally. I'm just kinda "burnt out" with school though. There's not a month I haven't been in school for the past year and a half, and likely for the next year and a half it'll be the same thing. It's hard not having a break.

Yeah U of T used to have a weird curriculum; they changed things this year. I had 5 core classes (crim, constitutional, property, contracts, and torts) all year, and then I had procedure first semester and admin second semester.

Transactional work is definitely related to contracts, but its more deal based - think general corporate law. Stuff like mergers and acquisitions, corporate finance, bankruptcy and insolvency (although that's less transactional). I'm also interested in tax and competition, and am hopeful that I'll get the chance to try a whole bunch of practice areas this summer.

No breaks can be tough. School is a pain in the ass, but in the end it's the last little bit of freedom we have until real life starts. It's hard to grasp onto that while it's going on, but it's true. Burn out happens once in a while, and a reading week or summer vacation here or there is important. Like you said, you've just go to make it through.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Who is podcast?

and...

"You can't handle the truth!"

 

[Harbinger]

I downloaded the nhl gamecenter last night on my PS4. It totally won't let me sign in to the service now.