OT: Sens Lounge LXXXII | Rise of Omni / Caeldan, the YES man

[saskriders]

I don't know the details of the new program, but based on what you guys have said I can't see how it would be a bad thing. Knowing about how to be safe isn't harmful to kids at all.

At the private christian school I went to they literally told us "Public schools don't trust you to wait until marriage. They teach you how to put a condom on a model penis" But we trust you to wait until marriage."

 

[BonkTastic]

At the private christian school I went to they literally told us "Public schools don't trust you to wait until marriage. They teach you how to put a condom on a model penis" But we trust you to wait until marriage."

That would enrage me as a parent.

I would be pulling my kids out of that school within hours of hearing about that policy. Mind you, the caveat here is that there are probably a reed basket full of reasons I'd be pulling my kids out of a private christian school (no offence, Sask), but this would be one of them for sure.

 

[Caeldan]

My high school teacher basically was like 'I can't write anything down on the board, because Catholic board but this is what safe sex is all about' and proceeded to tell us about condoms, etc.

I read an article that laid out the plan, and didn't seem too crazy. I mean, it actually makes sense to have discussion on things like oral and anal sex before they get too giggly /curious about it given how prevalent some acts are in porn, etc.

 

[HavlatMach9]

this site has the proposed change to the curriculum
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/23/what-ontarios-students-will-learn-with-the-updated-sex-education-curriculum.html

Yay got an offer from Algonquin and accepted!

congrats!

 

[saskriders]

That would enrage me as a parent.

I would be pulling my kids out of that school within hours of hearing about that policy. Mind you, the caveat here is that there are probably a reed basket full of reasons I'd be pulling my kids out of a private christian school (no offence, Sask), but this would be one of them for sure.

No offence taken. I am not religious at all, and actually think organized religion does more harm than good.

 

[BonkTastic]

this site has the proposed change to the curriculum
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/23/what-ontarios-students-will-learn-with-the-updated-sex-education-curriculum.html

Nothing there is at all unreasonable.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Any strong opinions here on the new Ontario sex ed curriculum? There's been some heated debate going on in my facebook feed and I really just don't want to get involved. I think it's disgusting how many people are against teaching about consent, gender identities, and masturbation.

The main argument seems to be that parents should be the only ones teaching their children about sex, but when people say things like "She’s a dictator. She’s forcing her lifestyle down our children’s throats, we’re going to have little minions, little lesbian and homosexual minions…it’s grooming children for sex…grooming them to change their identity to become homosexuals,” (http://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...ucation-debate-at-queens-park-gets-nasty.html), I don't think they should be responsible for teaching the next generation about anything, let alone things like sex, consent, and gender identities.

The only argument they have that I somewhat understand is that they're starting too early, and that the children aren't ready. But then again, children are different now. They have their own ipods and laptops and they're seeing things that I didn't see when I was their age. It's important to teach them early about their bodies and their responsibilities in regards to sex.

I dunno what it is like in Ontario, as I started Kindergarten in BC, but I remember we started to look at body part dolls and began identifying everything before Grade 2. (I remember it was pre-grade 2 because it was at a school that only went until grade 2, haha, but I can`t pinpoint if it was k, 1, or 2.


The thing is, I don`t think parents should be responsible for their children`s sexual education. My parents were (are) extremely religious... so it kind of f-ed me up until Highschool when girls started just taking over and making decisions for me, as I am way too passive due to my upbringing and I feel super ashamed every time I approach a girl (when it`s about sex).

So, I dunno. I feel like freedom of religion should hold true for children, too. Why should one be allowed to force their beliefs on some one just because they pushed them out of their body?

 

[Sensinitis]

I'm sick of being in law school

 

[BonkTastic]

I'm sick of being in law school

What area are you specializing in right now?

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

I'm sick of being in law school

Quit. Your peak is behind you.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

I don't know the details of the new program, but based on what you guys have said I can't see how it would be a bad thing. Knowing about how to be safe isn't harmful to kids at all.

At the private christian school I went to they literally told us "Public schools don't trust you to wait until marriage. They teach you how to put a condom on a model penis" But we trust you to wait until marriage."

My sex ed was pretty okay for a catholic high school. They taught us about condoms and birth control, but stressed the only way to be "safe" was through abstinence. There was a good amount of videos trying to scare us about STDs as well, but it wasn't as bad as a lot of other high schools.

Hopefully someday there won't be such a stigma about sex, schools should just teach about the risks and how to minimize them, not push their old fashioned beliefs about it being immoral or a death wish.

 

[saskriders]

My sex ed was pretty okay for a catholic high school. They taught us about condoms and birth control, but stressed the only way to be "safe" was through abstinence. There was a good amount of videos trying to scare us about STDs as well, but it wasn't as bad as a lot of other high schools.

Hopefully someday there won't be such a stigma about sex, schools should just teach about the risks and how to minimize them, not push their old fashioned beliefs about it being immoral or a death wish.

Not 100% sure, but I imagine that the ministry of education would have more control over the curriculum in a catholic school system than a private school

 

[BonkTastic]

I went to public school in west-end Ottawa, and out Sex-Ed was terrible... though I attribute that to the fact that our Sex-Ed teacher was also our gym teacher, who was probably the last guy on earth who should have been teaching Sex-Ed.

I think it's one thing to have a curriculum in place, but schools really need to think about WHO is teaching these classes, as well as what is being taught.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

So, I dunno. I feel like freedom of religion should hold true for children, too. Why should one be allowed to force their beliefs on some one just because they pushed them out of their body?

This is exactly my view. There was some mother on my facebook talking about how masturbation is sinful and that she doesn't want the schools teaching her children that it's okay. I couldn't believe it.

Then there's the quote I posted above about Wynne creating "gay minions" or something like that. These people shouldn't have a role in educating the next generation and passing on their hate.

 

[Senscore]

Kathleen Wynne is an unscrupulous and corrupt assclown, but this is really a nothing issue.


I do think that updating the curriculum is important for the now pervasive digital age.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

Not 100% sure, but I imagine that the ministry of education would have more control over the curriculum in a catholic school system than a private school

I think he means in general. A lot of parents / teachers when I was growing up were pretty angry / judgemental about teenagers who were sexually curious (I was also against it because of all the stigmas).

I think everything will improve over time with the rise of modern, youthful feminist movements and the slow decomposition of religious influence in our society. Those 2 things are probably the most important for us to succeed as a civilization.

 

[BonkTastic]

Then there's the quote I posted above about Wynne creating "gay minions" or something like that..

 

[Harbinger]

Only thing I can remember about sex ed was learning the nomenclature of the reproductive anatomy. Beyond that, I don't recall learning anything about safe sex or STDs.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

Not 100% sure, but I imagine that the ministry of education would have more control over the curriculum in a catholic school system than a private school

Oh I glossed over the fact that you went to a private catholic school, I only saw catholic school

I went to public school in west-end Ottawa, and out Sex-Ed was terrible... though I attribute that to the fact that our Sex-Ed teacher was also our gym teacher, who was probably the last guy on earth who should have been teaching Sex-Ed.

I think it's one thing to have a curriculum in place, but schools really need to think about WHO is teaching these classes, as well as what is being taught.

Completely agree, my grade 7 gym teacher was brutal. Morbidly obese and incredibly lazy. For fitness testing he couldn't demonstrate how to do a proper push up so he got another teacher to stop teaching his class for five minutes just to show us. In nutrition class he would read out of textbooks about healthy eating, and then at lunch we'd see him in the caf with two poutines and three hamburgers. The sex ed portion was pretty much just the entire class laughing every time he talked about sex because no one could take him seriously.

In grade 8 I actually had an athletic gym teacher. He was awesome. The kind of gym teacher who wouldn't just bark orders, but would actually participate. He ran laps with us, played games and actually did the fitness testing with us. His nutrition and sex ed classes were valuable because the class actually respected him.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

yes.

 

[Sensinitis]

What area are you specializing in right now?

I'm doing it in Montreal so mostly civil law mixed with some Common law

Quit. Your peak is behind you.

I know...

 

[BonkTastic]

Kathleen Wynne is an unscrupulous and corrupt assclown, but this is really a nothing issue.

1) I think this will probably be one of the more productive things she does in her tenure as Premier.

2) I wouldn't say she's corrupt per say, but that might be due to the fact that I live in Indonesia, where corruption is insanely rampant. I think the scale I use to measure corruption has been reset since moving here, haha. She's definitely unscrupulous, though.

 

[BonkTastic]

I'm doing it in Montreal so mostly civil law mixed with some Common law

What about it is making you doubt it? Is it the long hours you don't like anymore?

If it's a career filled with long hours and little home life that you are now doubting, I highly, highly suggest moving into IP law. IP lawyers work the least out of any specialty. My cousin was burning himself out in law school, changed to IP law under the advice of one of his profs, and completely re-found himself as a lawyer. Everyone I know in the field says that IP law is the safety net for people who are doubting the decision they made.

 

[Sensinitis]

What about it is making you doubt it? Is it the long hours you don't like anymore?

If it's a career filled with long hours and little home life that you are now doubting, I highly, highly suggest moving into IP law. IP lawyers work the least out of any specialty. My cousin was burning himself out in law school, changed to IP law under the advice of one of his profs, and completely re-found himself as a lawyer. Everyone I know in the field says that IP law is the safety net for people who are doubting the decision they made.

It's the long hours of studying and stressful environment mostly.

IP law is intellectual property law? I'm thinking of doing notarial to avoid the long hours/stressful environment. Notaries have it easier, especially if you work for yourself.

But I have doubts because I'm sure I'd be a real good lawyer. Feels like I would be throwing something away.

 

[BonkTastic]

IP law is intellectual property law? I'm thinking of doing notarial to avoid the long hours/stressful environment. Notaries have it easier, especially if you work for yourself.

Yep.

Can't speak for notary law (I know zero Notaries), but everyone I know who has gone on to do IP law have said that while they could have made more money working 80+ hours a week in some other field of law, they don't regret their decision for a minute because they actually HAVE a family life, as opposed to many other lawyers who may have a family, but spend no time with them.

The one thing I've heard about IP law is that many partnerships are insane (ie: the main partners are eccentric and nutty and all of that), but I think that's mostly true with any partnership, regardless of their specialty. It's also a less... how would I put this... there is less of a glass ceiling in IP law at the moment. Much easier to work towards becoming a partner in a firm, if that's what your goal is.

Again, I need to stress that this is all second-hand knowledge, passed on to me from IP lawyers/ other lawyers I know. I'm not a lawyer. I just am related to a lot of them, and know many more due to those family connections.