OT: Sens Lounge LXXVII | A Fridge Too Far Edition

[Super Cake]

Nope.

SkyNet would exist either way.

Yes skynet would still exist, i am just wondering if killing Connor in the past would actually do anything. There are theories about time travel and depending on which ones you believe in, killing connor in the past might not work. It is like if you went back in time to kill yourself. If you did go back in time to kill yourself, then your future self would never exist. Thus your future self would never go back in time to kill your past self. Same type of thing applies to this movie. If the t-100 killed Connor, then a t-100 in the future would never be sent back in time to kill Connor, thus possibly rendering Connors death obsolete.

I am seriously putting way too much thought into this.

 

[Mr Invidious]

Yes skynet would still exist, i am just wondering if killing Connor in the past would actually do anything. There are theories about time travel and depending on which ones you believe in, killing connor in the past might not work. It is like if you went back in time to kill yourself. If you did kill yourself in the past, then your future self would never exist, thus your future self would never go back in time to kill your past self.

Time travel is the hardest thing to do well in film, IMO. There's a lot of variables that could allow for someone to find a loophole in the theory being used, but that's because time travel doesn't actually exist.

I know what you're saying but it's key to suspend one's disbelief in time travel films, especially one as good as T2: Judgement Day.

 

[Super Cake]

Time travel is the hardest thing to do well in film, IMO. There's a lot of variables that could allow for someone to find a loophole in the theory being used, but that's because time travel doesn't actually exist.

I know what you're saying but it's key to suspend one's disbelief in time travel films, especially one as good as T2: Judgement Day.

Ya i agree. It is very important to suspend your disbelief when it comes to time travel films.

One of my favorite time travel movies is Back to the Future and even that movie has its own problems when it comes to time travel.

 

[Caeldan]

Ya i agree. It is very important to suspend your disbelief when it comes to time travel films.

One of my favorite time travel movies is Back to the Future and even that movie has its own problems when it comes to time travel.

On the flip side you have movies like Time Cop...
Where they can go back into the past (and return to the present from the past), but can't go into the future because 'it hasn't happened yet'...
So how do you get home from the past? Because once you're there, your present hasn't happened yet...

 

[Caeldan]

Grandpa and I used to go out for walks right before the diseases really started to take hold. The last time we went out he started telling me about all the brothels he went to in the old country (Italy). When he was finished, he concluded with a sigh and said "(My Name), (crude four letter word for sex) as much as you can." I was just floored. Could not believe my ears. You don't expect your grandpa to regale you with such bawdy tales. He, too, was a young man once though.

The next week he was imagining things, not making any lick of sense, and the downward spiral didn't stop until he died. He lived with us though, so no escaping it. Still, the impression he made on me in that last walk or even him puttering around the garden which he loved to do, is quite a bit stronger than any of the nonsense that came after. Funny thing with time eh? Memories don't work in chronological order and some things you'd rather not remember find their way into some hidden folder or are simply outshined by the stuff you hold dear. Something to be said about always being there for the person going through that and looking it straight in the face, no matter how much they aren't the same person. That's not a judgement, just my own observation, going through that.

Oh yeah, if I could go back in time - I'd take every moment I can get... but it's just one of those poor judgements of youth that you look back on and grow from.

 

[Super Cake]

On the flip side you have movies like Time Cop...
Where they can go back into the past (and return to the present from the past), but can't go into the future because 'it hasn't happened yet'...
So how do you get home from the past? Because once you're there, your present hasn't happened yet...

Time travel is a confusing thing isn't it? You could literally go into every movie that involves time travel and debunk the principles it uses for time travel.

I just skimmed through an article that talked about all the time travel problems in the terminator series.

Like, Mr. Invidious said though, time travel movies are the hardest things to do well being that time travel is not a real thing.

 

[Harbinger]

Interesting topic of conversation.

 

[BonkTastic]

3 of my 4 grandparents suffered from either Dementia or Alzheimer's before they passed (2 cases of Alzheimer, 1 Dementia), and the one who didn't passed away from breast cancer before she could get old enough to display signs of either.

Scary. I'm very much not looking forward to my 60+ years.

 

[Super Cake]

3 of my 4 grandparents suffered from either Dementia or Alzheimer's before they passed (2 cases of Alzheimer, 1 Dementia), and the one who didn't passed away from breast cancer before she could get old enough to display signs of either.

Scary. I'm very much not looking forward to my 60+ years.

Well hopefully you don't get any one of those diseases.

 

[Icelevel]

Anyone seen this? i thought it was pretty cool

 

[Senscore]

I thought it was boring, but I respected the level of detail and effort that went into creating it.

I found Shane Carruth's recent follow up Upstream Color to be a far better film.


It has been a while since I first watched it. Might need to check in again.

 

[Icelevel]

i think you may be right that it can be a little boring, but still interesting enough and it builds towards the end. I haven't seen Upstream Color yet. Was going to check it out and forgot. thanks.

 

[Senscore]

i think you may be right that it can be a little boring, but still interesting enough and it builds towards the end. I haven't seen Upstream Color yet. Was going to check it out and forgot. thanks.

Be warned, it is an entirely different film. Much more character and emotion driven than a precisely crafted narrative like Primer. Certainly more of an "art" film than Primer's hard sci-fi leanings.


But still a very unique experience. Carruth is a real talent, considering he's written, directed, and starred in both films.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Looper was a great time travel sci-fi movie. And of course there's Doctor Who.

Just to follow up on the ALS business, here's the article I was referring to. I do think its a great read for anyone. The author actually had a follow up article that articulated what I was trying to get at earlier much better: http://qz.com/250845/this-week-lets-dump-a-few-ice-buckets-to-wipe-out-malaria-too/

In my previous article I mentioned one damaging aspect of donor-focused philanthropy: that it encourages a culture of great praise for small gifts. I believe this culture trades a small short-term gain in donations for a long-term harm by undermining a charitable attitude according to which there are serious problems in the world that desperately need our help, and that won’t be solved by a bucket of ice water...

There’s also a second damaging aspect of donor-focused philanthropy: that it regards all causes as equal.

Those who participate in the ice bucket challenge donate to ALS not, seemingly, because they’ve thought about the many problems in the world, and tried to figure out how they personally can best address those problems. Instead, they donate simply because ALS is the originator of the challenge. This is problematic. We should reward the charities that we believe do the most good, not those that have the best marketing strategy, otherwise the most successful charities will be those that are best at soliciting funds, not those that are best at making the world a better place.

Anyways, I think its great food for thought. The first article and the points it makes on the moral licensing I think is dead on. People aren't doing acts of altruism just for the sake of it but to look good and feel good and are probably making up for the other terrible things they do an a daily basis, which goes back to my point on narcissism.

 

[Super Cake]

Looper was a great time travel sci-fi movie. And of course there's Doctor Who.

Just to follow up on the ALS business, here's the article I was referring to. I do think its a great read for anyone. The author actually had a follow up article that articulated what I was trying to get at earlier much better: http://qz.com/250845/this-week-lets-dump-a-few-ice-buckets-to-wipe-out-malaria-too/





Anyways, I think its great food for thought. The first article and the points it makes on the moral licensing I think is dead on. People aren't doing acts of altruism just for the sake of it but to look good and feel good and are probably making up for the other terrible things they do an a daily basis, which goes back to my point on narcissism.

Looper was okay. It also had its problems when it comes to time travel. The fact that the truck full of gold that old Joes character was driving at the end of the movie was still on there on the road even after young Joe killed himself is kind of ridiculous. It should have disappeared immediately after young Joe killed himself.

 

[Benjamin]

Didn't looper have a major flaw in its time travel logic?

I've found Lost's theory on time travel to be the best. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_travel

For people that like time travel and infinite realities, Stargate is the best sci-fi ever.

 

[18Hossa]

A book that does Time Travel decently (imo) is the Pathfinder series by Orson Scott Card.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Didn't looper have a major flaw in its time travel logic?

Well, the whole chopping up that guy's younger self and the older guy seeing the effects in real time was pretty ridiculous. Most of the time paradox stuff worked really well though. There was some graph on ****** I saw that painted it perfectly. You gotta keep in mind that there are 3 different time lines at work rather than 2.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

A book that does Time Travel decently (imo) is the Pathfinder series by Orson Scott Card.

Wow. This is the second time someone recommended that to me today. Loved the Ender's series. The guy is a real ***** though (Big Mormon, hated gays etc.), enjoy his writing nonetheless.

 

[18Hossa]

Wow. This is the second time someone recommended that to me today. Loved the Ender's series. The guy is a real ***** though (Big Mormon, hated gays etc.), enjoy his writing nonetheless.

Ya I don't like him but I really enjoy his books. I binge read the entire Ender series(and the shadow series) and the first two books in the Pathfinder series(Pathfinder and Ruins) this summer. I can't wait for the the third book to comeout on November 4th, it's called Visitors.

 

[Super Cake]

Has anyone seen the movie Frequency? That movie uses some aspects that relate to time travel.

 

[DrEasy]

Looper was a great time travel sci-fi movie. And of course there's Doctor Who.

Just to follow up on the ALS business, here's the article I was referring to. I do think its a great read for anyone. The author actually had a follow up article that articulated what I was trying to get at earlier much better: http://qz.com/250845/this-week-lets-dump-a-few-ice-buckets-to-wipe-out-malaria-too/





Anyways, I think its great food for thought. The first article and the points it makes on the moral licensing I think is dead on. People aren't doing acts of altruism just for the sake of it but to look good and feel good and are probably making up for the other terrible things they do an a daily basis, which goes back to my point on narcissism.

I agree with that stuff. IMHO, it's the role of the government (i.e., us!) to decide which causes are of higher priority, and to channel funds accordingly. I prefer paying taxes than donating to charity, knowing that the government should have everyone's concerns at heart and not those who come up with the sexiest campaign.

Of course in the current climate of hating taxes and governments I'm probably in the minority.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Alzheimers and dementia desperately need to find some sort of cure. One of my biggest fears is my parents not even knowing who I am just like my grandpa didn't know who I was or who my dad was. I couldn't imagine living like that.

My aunt is going through dementia right now and it is horrible on my uncle and cousins. They are really ugly diseases.

Edit: on that note, from my uncle:

My mother died at 59 from an aggressive form of dementia, and seemingly had it since her mid to late forties. So yeah, I know how horrible that disease can be. From my point of view there is no other affliction that is more devastating than one that takes away who you are.

 

[bacon25]

Wow. This is the second time someone recommended that to me today. Loved the Ender's series. The guy is a real ***** though (Big Mormon, hated gays etc.), enjoy his writing nonetheless.

I try to avoid getting to know any actor/writer/singer or what have you. For example, I really liked Arrested Development, but when I learned about how big a bigot David Cross is, my enjoyment of the show lessened. Ignorance is, as they say, bliss.

And does OSC hate gays or is he just against gay marriage? I see them as separate things, but they are often seen as being the same.

 

[BonkTastic]

I feel the need to point out to all the Eastern Standard Time loungers - it is already Friday Evening here in Indonesia, and I am already relaxing with a beer and some BBQ chicken. I think I'll be moving on to G&T's once I'm done this beer, and will probably spend the rest of the evening lounging around in the pool.

Just think about that as you try and wake yourself up, stumble around making coffee, telling yourself it's just ONE MORE WORKDAY until the weekend.

Cheers!