OT: Sens Lounge LXXV | Future Thread

[BonkTastic]

Record-low voter turnout expected.

 

[mat_sens]

Getting 38.3% of the votes out of less than 50% of Ontario's population...

 

[BonkTastic]

Getting 38.3% of the votes out of less than 50% of Ontario's population...

It sucks, but the problem is, you have to inspire people to the polls... "forcing" people to vote is just as bad as low voter turnouts.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

I'll bet anything the next leader is either Lisa Raitt or my own MP, Lisa MacLeod.

Nepean-Carleton represent!

It didn't matter who I voted for, because Lisa MacLeod was going to win anyway.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Only a campaign too late unfortunately.

2 campaigns too late

meh...either way, all 3 parties screw over the little non-unionized guy

 

[McManked]

As someone who has canvassed for Lisa, I'm torn. I think she's actually a pretty nice person but she also strikes me as the win at all costs (including some questionable things) type. I feel like her hatred towards the Liberals and NDP overshadow her desire to make Ontario a better place.

 

[Smash88]

Nepean-Carleton represent!

It didn't matter who I voted for, because Lisa MacLeod was going to win anyway.

Yeah kind of the same in Kanata. They just need to put a blue chair and people will vote for it. LOL

Hudak lost this election with his "im going to fire a bunch of you".

Pitting one side of the population versus the other is not a way to lead. I seriously hope it serves as a wakeup call to the PC's that you can't just treat people that way.

 

[McManked]

I think it will force the PC even more left, which is good (IMO).

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I think it will force the PC even more left, which is good (IMO).

More to the left socially is definitely OK. But, they have to remain conservative when it comes to finances. The province is in a horrible financial state right now. There's only so long you can borrow, and only so much you can tax the people & businesses.

 

[McManked]

More to the left socially is definitely OK. But, they have to remain conservative when it comes to finances. The province is in a horrible financial state right now. There's only so long you can borrow, and only so much you can tax the people & businesses.

That's what I was meaning mainly.

They need a likeable leader that is aligned with the majority of the party's views and they should be contenders/front runners.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

So....what are the odds we'd get a full moon on Friday the 13th?

better yet...I wonder if any tv stations will be running a Friday 13th marathon? hmmmm......

 

[Mr Invidious]

That's what I was meaning mainly.

They need a likeable leader that is aligned with the majority of the party's views and they should be contenders/front runners.

Agreed.

Perhaps John Baird might be the answer.

In other news, I'm desperately wishing I was at home right now. A day full of football. FIFA, FIFA, FIFA, Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Netherlands, Chile v Australia, FIFA, FIFA, FIFA.

Who does everyone have winning? Any major upsets predicted in the group stage?

I've got Spain to beat Germany in the Finals, personally.

 

[Smash88]

Agreed.

Perhaps John Baird might be the answer.

In other news, I'm desperately wishing I was at home right now. A day full of football. FIFA, FIFA, FIFA, Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Netherlands, Chile v Australia, FIFA, FIFA, FIFA.

Who does everyone have winning? Any major upsets predicted in the group stage?

I've got Spain to beat Germany in the Finals, personally.

I have Brazil beating Spain in the final. I think they get it done on home soil.

 

[mianjo]

Especially if Brazil gets that Japanese ref again and again.....

Who in their right mind would put for the opening game of the World Cup a ref that does not speak any English, the universal language in reffing circles. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...l-trophy-penalty-decision-Croatia-defeat.html

Would we ever see Canadians do this to their homes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-houses-gardens-St-Georges-Cross-begins.html

 

[McManked]

Christ the ref ****ed up big time yesterday, Brazil should be embarrassed about their game.

 

[Quo]

John Ivison (National Post) and Tim Harper (Toronto Star) are speculating that the next Ontario PC leader will likely come from the federal cabinet minister ranks.

Ivison says Lisa Raitt (transport) will be the next leader, Harper named Raitt, Tony Clement (neè health and industry and current president of the treasury board) and Kellie Leitch (labour and status of women) as likely candidates.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

John Ivison (National Post) and Tim Harper (Toronto Star) are speculating that the next Ontario PC leader will likely come from the federal cabinet minister ranks.

Ivison says Lisa Raitt (transport) will be the next leader, Harper named Raitt, Tony Clement (neè health and industry and current president of the treasury board) and Kellie Leitch (labour and status of women) as likely candidates.

So, instead of a Hudak taint, they'll have a Harper taint? When will that party ever learn?

I swear the PCs are doing it on purpose. There's no way they can continue to run campaigns/strategies that are so obviously easy for the opposition to run into the mud and distort. It's like walking up to the world's best comedian and feeding him straight lines, and expecting a serious conversation. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

John Ivison (National Post) and Tim Harper (Toronto Star) are speculating that the next Ontario PC leader will likely come from the federal cabinet minister ranks.

Ivison says Lisa Raitt (transport) will be the next leader, Harper named Raitt, Tony Clement (neè health and industry and current president of the treasury board) and Kellie Leitch (labour and status of women) as likely candidates.

Raitt makes sense, and Ivison is just bright and clued in enough that I'd believe it. Not sure I can see Leitch, though. She's good, but she's always struck me as somewhat shy. She'd get decimated just like Dion got decimated with the feds.

 

[Caeldan]

So, instead of a Hudak taint, they'll have a Harper taint? When will that party ever learn?

I swear the PCs are doing it on purpose. There's no way they can continue to run campaigns/strategies that are so obviously easy for the opposition to run into the mud and distort. It's like walking up to the world's best comedian and feeding him straight lines, and expecting a serious conversation. It ain't gonna happen.

I just wonder how long until someone creates a split. I'm convinced that's what PCO needs. Someone to create a PC splinter party that's more central to distance itself from the crazy right.

Because ever since the federal PCs merged with Reform, they keep going more and more over to the Reform side and it seems like Ontario followed suit.

 

[coladin]

Man a lot of interesting topics, lately!

Abortion: I believe human life begins when there is a heartbeat. I think if the parents feels that there is a baby inside her, then it should be protected by the law. I guess the reason why you shouldn't smoke or drink when pregnant is for the human inside you. Does the law not protect the fetus in cases where if there is a murder the fetus dying is a double homicide? I may have this confused with the US.

I have three kids, and personally that is what I think. Can you force that on all Canadians? I wish, but the reality is the abortion belief is tied heavily to religion and not everyone is the same religion. Christianity, Catholicism. I actually don't know what the Jewish or Muslim faiths believe. I have enjoyed watching my kids in the ulatrsound videos, awfully tough not to think that what you are seeing is not a human being!

But I get the political quandary...

Liberals winning essentially condones every single scandal that they have partaken. It is incredible to me that billions have been wasted and nobody seems to care. Liberals win because many rely on them to get by, pure and simple. This generation of Canadians, in Ontario, are not interested in tough love. Unions absolutely demolished the PCs with their convincing attack ads.

Hudak I never liked and while Lisa MacLeod got my vote as I am in Riverside South over the Liberal chauvinist ( I think) , his plan to cut jobs and tough love was the worst strategy in the history of Canadian politics. So easy for Wynne to say " I don't want to bring Ontario down, I want to build it up" when Hudak was the political Grim Reaper.

 

[Benjamin]

If both parents dont want the kid and its just going to be born in to a terrible situation. Just abort it. We got enough humans as it is.

Or the Liberals won because its not hard to see the Conservatives are only interested in making the rich richer and the corporations more powerful while sucking everything possible out of the middle class and lower class.

 

[BonkTastic]

Abortion: I believe human life begins when there is a heartbeat.

So, roughly 5 weeks then?

Up to two months if you're counting "from fertilization". Roughly 4 to 5 weeks from gestation.

 

[Mr Invidious]

Or the Liberals won because its not hard to see the Conservatives are only interested in making the rich richer and the corporations more powerful while sucking everything possible out of the middle class and lower class.

Now every class can suffer together.

The Liberals won because people think that Hudak and Horwath are horrible leaders. It wasn't about the platform. If anyone with charisma or any sense of likeability were in the same situation as Hudak was, it would have been a no contest.

 

[BonkTastic]

Now every class can suffer together.

The Liberals won because people think that Hudak and Horwath are horrible leaders. It wasn't about the platform. If anyone with charisma or any sense of likeability were in the same situation as Hudak was, it would have been a no contest.

Most people think Wynne is a terrible leader, too.

... just... slightly less-so?

I was honestly surprised to see a +50% voter turnout... kicked a multi-decade trend!

 

[Mr Invidious]

Most people think Wynne is a terrible leader, too.

... just... slightly less-so?

I was honestly surprised to see a +50% voter turnout... kicked a multi-decade trend!

Definitely. I thought they were all awful. And so did most people. But, like you said yesterday, I believe she was perceived to be the most likeable of the bunch... which happens to be like 1.5/10.