OT: Sens Lounge - Golf season edition

[Stylizer1]

It's not that bad. Think of what the dinosaurs went through.

 

[maclean]

there are some types of trees that burn, and others that do not????

Not familiar with the situation in Canada, but here in the Czech Republic a lot of the associated problems are:

1) Monoculture: lots of the same type of tree planted reduces resistance, plus if lots of trees are planted at the same time, age the same rate, then become vulnerable all at the same time
2) "Improper" trees: here we have a lot of managed forests that are planted just with spruce because it is easiest for foresters to grow and harvest but it is not how the forests would grow naturally and so is not best adapted to where it's being grown which can leave it less healthy and thus susceptible.
3) Rising temperatures and drought: the Earth's rising temperature and lower precipitation compounds the above problems, so for example spruce planted at lower altitudes where they are not natural end up being dried out and more susceptible to pests such as bark beetle and also of course fires.

 

[maclean]

It's not that bad. Think of what the dinosaurs went through.

Too big to fail

 

[Beech]

Not familiar with the situation in Canada, but here in the Czech Republic a lot of the associated problems are:

1) Monoculture: lots of the same type of tree planted reduces resistance, plus if lots of trees are planted at the same time, age the same rate, then become vulnerable all at the same time
2) "Improper" trees: here we have a lot of managed forests that are planted just with spruce because it is easiest for foresters to grow and harvest but it is not how the forests would grow naturally and so is not best adapted to where it's being grown which can leave it less healthy and thus susceptible.
3) Rising temperatures and drought: the Earth's rising temperature and lower precipitation compounds the above problems, so for example spruce planted at lower altitudes where they are not natural end up being dried out and more susceptible to pests such as bark beetle and also of course fires.

As I responded to Ice-Tray, Mac., I did not know, or so much as guessed at. I assumed, a tree is a tree. And once dry air hits, all would go up in somewhat similar fashion.

But as people have written, I can now begin to understand more.

Monoculture in trees is a form of interbreeding, isn't it??? Incredible... If we humans mate with close relatives, as is common in many 3rd world nations, issues arise. When you have non related.. say an African Canadian from Ghana marrying a French Canadian from Montréal. Their kids tend to be good looking as can be and as sturdy and healthy as can be... Nature seems to want diversity. It seems to want it in trees as well...

I will assume that nature thrives in a multi-cultural environment... effectively in human terms. The more that Africans marry and mate with Asians, South East Asian, Whites, Natives and all combinations of these 5 or 6 basic groups the better.

It has always amazed me how many mixed race kids play pro sports... How many are devilishly good-looking, even if their individual parents are far less so..

your 3) I get...

 

[Qward]

Monoculture in trees is a form of interbreeding, isn't it??? Incredible... If we humans mate with close relatives, as is common in many 3rd world nations, issues arise. When you have non related.. say an African Canadian from Ghana marrying a French Canadian from Montréal. Their kids tend to be good looking as can be and as sturdy and healthy as can be... Nature seems to want diversity. It seems to want it in trees as well...

I am not sure what I just read...

Monoculture is just the act of planing a single type of plant. A field of corn, a forest of white pines, etc etc,

The reason monoculture is bad in agriculture, is a disease or pest can travel easily from plant to plant and destroy the entire crop, you have a field of the same plant sucking the same nutrients from the soil in huge amounts, turning soil into worthless dirt.

It is bad in forestry because you are not creating the necessary barriers that naturally help reduce forest fires. You need different plant types at different levels. grasses, shrubs, bushes, low level trees, mid trees and tall trees.

There are a tonne of benefits, one being the creation of a water hold. The soil and plants hold the water longer than in a monoculture plantation. A moist environment is more resistant to a dry one.

I hope this helps.

 

[Beech]

I am not sure what I just read...

Monoculture is just the act of planing a single type of plant. A field of corn, a forest of white pines, etc etc,

The reason monoculture is bad in agriculture, is a disease or pest can travel easily from plant to plant and destroy the entire crop, you have a field of the same plant sucking the same nutrients from the soil in huge amounts, turning soil into worthless dirt.

It is bad in forestry because you are not creating the necessary barriers that naturally help reduce forest fires. You need different plant types at different levels. grasses, shrubs, bushes, low level trees, mid trees and tall trees.
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There are a tonne of benefits, one being the creation of a water hold. The soil and plants hold the water longer than in a monoculture plantation. A moist environment is more resistant to a dry one.

I hope this helps.

okay.. and close breeding in humans is what.

an easy means for genetic faults to multiply.

so cousins marrying is what...planting all the same crop... analogy Qward.. and not an attack.. My parents are 3rd cousins.. I am not casting stones... I am telling you about the price I pay...

By comparison, my nieces and nephews are from far apart cultures and races and are damn good looking, exceptionally healthy and are a testimony to what I believe "nature prefers"..

Hey @Micklebot let the pissing contest go for a while. It keeps this place vibrant and its a slow sports day.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Not familiar with the situation in Canada, but here in the Czech Republic a lot of the associated problems are:

1) Monoculture: lots of the same type of tree planted reduces resistance, plus if lots of trees are planted at the same time, age the same rate, then become vulnerable all at the same time
2) "Improper" trees: here we have a lot of managed forests that are planted just with spruce because it is easiest for foresters to grow and harvest but it is not how the forests would grow naturally and so is not best adapted to where it's being grown which can leave it less healthy and thus susceptible.
3) Rising temperatures and drought: the Earth's rising temperature and lower precipitation compounds the above problems, so for example spruce planted at lower altitudes where they are not natural end up being dried out and more susceptible to pests such as bark beetle and also of course fires.

This is a great summation of one of the forestry issues out here. Basically we replant to harvest and those swaths of reforested trees are a box of tinder.

Change would need to come at the tree planting level, and it would need to come from the forestry industry. In other wards it would cost a lot more, and tree planters would need to do a bit of different, and higher specialized replanting job.

 

[maclean]

Yeah, obviously the issue I left out is that fires are a "natural" thing for forest to renew themselves periodically, but because we don't want that to happen, their "need" for it grows until we get these massive ones. That's a lot more difficult one to address, because although there are possibilities of doing controlled fires, who's going to volunteer to take the economic hit? As a comparison we could say that covid was a "natural" cyclical thing "necessary" to rejuvenate the human population, but who's just going to let people die? We have become advanced enough that we think we can handle everything without taking any losses ever, and I'll stop there

 

[Stylizer1]

WARMINGTON: Cops suspect arson caused wildfire in at least one part of Quebec

Everybody knows something is wrong when you can’t see the CN Tower, Toronto’s downtown skyscrapers or the Rogers Centre from anywhere in the city. But is it a result of criminal behaviour?

torontosun.com

This video is really alarming. Arson %100

 

[Micklebot]

WARMINGTON: Cops suspect arson caused wildfire in at least one part of Quebec

Everybody knows something is wrong when you can’t see the CN Tower, Toronto’s downtown skyscrapers or the Rogers Centre from anywhere in the city. But is it a result of criminal behaviour?

torontosun.com

This video is really alarming. Arson %100

The video is alarming in that the narrator is either not particularly knowledgeable in how forest fires start, intentionally trying to mislead, or both.

Is it possible that all the fires were arson, sure, but it's also possible that like many other forest fires, a lightning storm passed over causing several small fires and smouldering embers. Once the storm moved out and clear skies dried out the area, winds picked up and spread those embers igniting several fires at the same time.



Might as well have posted a tweet by MTG and space lasers.

 

[Icelevel]

Fire chief confirmed that fires were caused by humans.

 

[Micklebot]

Fire chief confirmed that fires were caused by humans.

Which ones? You'd expect about half to be caused by human activity (not necessarily arson, conditions but things like camp fires, cigarette butts, Sparks coming off trains, ect) as that's the yearly average.

in the end, regardless of how they started (outside of arson) it's dry conditions that allowed it to spread so badly.

 

[Icelevel]

Which ones? You'd expect about half to be caused by human activity (not necessarily arson, conditions but things like camp fires, cigarette butts, Sparks coming off trains, ect) as that's the yearly average.

in the end, regardless of how they started (outside of arson) it's dry conditions that allowed it to spread so badly.

Yeah I think roughly half are human caused by things you list. In the states is something like 80-85% due to those human behaviours

 

[Stylizer1]

The video is alarming in that the narrator is either not particularly knowledgeable in how forest fires start, intentionally trying to mislead, or both.

Is it possible that all the fires were arson, sure, but it's also possible that like many other forest fires, a lightning storm passed over causing several small fires and smouldering embers. Once the storm moved out and clear skies dried out the area, winds picked up and spread those embers igniting several fires at the same time.



Might as well have posted a tweet by MTG and space lasers.

You don't see the timing of all of those fires starting so close to one another suspicious?

 

[maclean]

You don't see the timing of all of those fires starting so close to one another suspicious?

You don't find the lightning storm explanation plausible?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

You don't see the timing of all of those fires starting so close to one another suspicious?

Not at all.

Pretty much the fires in Northern Ontario west of Algonquin right now are from lightning strikes. It happens a lot. That's why we have dedicated fire spotters all over the Park.

 

[Stylizer1]

You don't find the lightning storm explanation plausible?

It is absolutely plausible if there were clouds preceding the starts of the fires. Had the fires started one after the other in a none uniform way then I would say yeah that looks like lightning strikes is the best explanation. It's the lack of storm clouds which makes it suspicious.

It comes down to only 3 options:

1) A bunch of campers at the same time set fires that all went out of control at the same time.
2) A bunch of lightning strikes within the same time frame caused the fires to start around the same time
3) 20+ fires were deliberately set

It's not out of the question that eco warriors set these fires in an effort to push the climate change agenda that the current government is so keen on exploiting at every possible turn.

 

[maclean]

It is absolutely plausible if there were clouds preceding the starts of the fires. Had the fires started one after the other in a none uniform way then I would say yeah that looks like lightning strikes is the best explanation. It's the lack of storm clouds which makes it suspicious.

It comes down to only 3 options:

1) A bunch of campers at the same time set fires that all went out of control at the same time.
2) A bunch of lightning strikes within the same time frame caused the fires to start around the same time
3) 20+ fires were deliberately set

It's not out of the question that eco warriors set these fires in an effort to push the climate change agenda that the current government is so keen on exploiting at every possible turn.

I believe the explanation proffered was that the smoldering fires left by the lightning strikes could only spread once the cloud-rain conditions had passed and wind began to stoke them. It certainly strikes me as more believable than TWENTY PLUS fires being DELIBERATELY SET by rabid climate change activists across a HUGE area, which is honestly a mind-blowingly insane scenario to imagine.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It is absolutely plausible if there were clouds preceding the starts of the fires. Had the fires started one after the other in a none uniform way then I would say yeah that looks like lightning strikes is the best explanation. It's the lack of storm clouds which makes it suspicious.

It comes down to only 3 options:

1) A bunch of campers at the same time set fires that all went out of control at the same time.
2) A bunch of lightning strikes within the same time frame caused the fires to start around the same time
3) 20+ fires were deliberately set

It's not out of the question that eco warriors set these fires in an effort to push the climate change agenda that the current government is so keen on exploiting at every possible turn.

Ahhhh the link to the government, I was waiting for that.

Maybe these eco terrorists were actually on a secret government black ops mission to drum up sympathy for that climate change mumbo jumbo.

 

[Stylizer1]

I believe the explanation proffered was that the smoldering fires left by the lightning strikes could only spread once the cloud-rain conditions had passed and wind began to stoke them. It certainly strikes me as more believable than TWENTY PLUS fires being DELIBERATELY SET by rabid climate change activists across a HUGE area, which is honestly a mind-blowingly insane scenario to imagine.

It's not only climate change activists. Also people in remote areas have been known to start fires in order to be hired to put them out as work is scarce in some places.

 

[Stylizer1]

Radical environmentalist pleads guilty to arson in Western fires

www.nbcnews.com

"A radical ecological activist who evaded capture for a decade pleaded guilty Thursday to conspiracy and arson for her role with an extremist ecoterrorism group believed responsible for setting 20 fires that burned $40 million of property across the West from 1996 to 2001.

Rebecca Jeanette Rubin, 40, a Canadian citizen, faces a federal prison term of five to 7½ years when she's sentenced in January, according to a plea agreement entered in U.S. District Court in Portland, Ore.


As part of the plea deal, Rubin, a former wildlife researcher, agreed to provide information about other members of the ecoterrorism group with which she has been connected. It's called "the Family," and according to the FBI, it was an even more extreme faction of two radical environmentalist groups, the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front."

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/1026700103/former-college-professor-arson-charges-california-dixie-fire

"Firefighters battling the Dixie Fire have also been facing a second enemy: a serial arsonist who went on a spree of setting fires in July and August — and who sought to trap fire crews with his fires, according to agents from the U.S. Forest Service. They allege former college professor Gary Maynard is the culprit, citing their tracking of his movements and other evidence.


"Where Maynard went, fires started. Not just once, but over and over again," the government said in a court memorandum arguing for Maynard to be denied bail"

Charges laid in string of deliberately set fires in Alberta, including fire that destroyed church

An Alberta man has been charged in connection with a string of suspicious fires, including one that destroyed a church in late April.

edmonton.ctvnews.ca

"An Alberta man has been charged in connection with a string of suspicious fires, including one that destroyed a church in late April.

In August 2022, police began an investigation into several wildfires in the Hilda Lake, Cold Lake Provincial Park, Ardmore, and Cherry Grove areas.

The fires were deemed suspicious and investigation revealed they had been intentionally set."

Ahhhh the link to the government, I was waiting for that.

Maybe these eco terrorists were actually on a secret government black ops mission to drum up sympathy for that climate change mumbo jumbo.

There is no government link just the opportunity for them to take advantage of the situation. Just like how every time a gun is used in a crime the government can say "see".

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Experts worry about Canadian water bomber expertise with rising demand, aging fleets

Finding planes quickly may be complicated because other countries are also fighting fires

torontosun.com

Experts worry about Canadian water bomber expertise with rising demand, aging fleets

Aviation experts say Canada is losing expertise in the manufacturing of water bombers -- just as demand for them is increasing. The Canadair CL-415, a purpose-built water bomber, was last produced in 2015.

beta.ctvnews.ca

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Radical environmentalist pleads guilty to arson in Western fires

www.nbcnews.com

"A radical ecological activist who evaded capture for a decade pleaded guilty Thursday to conspiracy and arson for her role with an extremist ecoterrorism group believed responsible for setting 20 fires that burned $40 million of property across the West from 1996 to 2001.

Rebecca Jeanette Rubin, 40, a Canadian citizen, faces a federal prison term of five to 7½ years when she's sentenced in January, according to a plea agreement entered in U.S. District Court in Portland, Ore.


As part of the plea deal, Rubin, a former wildlife researcher, agreed to provide information about other members of the ecoterrorism group with which she has been connected. It's called "the Family," and according to the FBI, it was an even more extreme faction of two radical environmentalist groups, the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front."

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/1026700103/former-college-professor-arson-charges-california-dixie-fire

"Firefighters battling the Dixie Fire have also been facing a second enemy: a serial arsonist who went on a spree of setting fires in July and August — and who sought to trap fire crews with his fires, according to agents from the U.S. Forest Service. They allege former college professor Gary Maynard is the culprit, citing their tracking of his movements and other evidence.


"Where Maynard went, fires started. Not just once, but over and over again," the government said in a court memorandum arguing for Maynard to be denied bail"

Charges laid in string of deliberately set fires in Alberta, including fire that destroyed church

An Alberta man has been charged in connection with a string of suspicious fires, including one that destroyed a church in late April.

edmonton.ctvnews.ca

"An Alberta man has been charged in connection with a string of suspicious fires, including one that destroyed a church in late April.

In August 2022, police began an investigation into several wildfires in the Hilda Lake, Cold Lake Provincial Park, Ardmore, and Cherry Grove areas.

The fires were deemed suspicious and investigation revealed they had been intentionally set."

I don't see a link between any of these cases and this one... am I missing anything, or is this a case of pulling anecdotal situations to say, "See, it COULD happen"? From where I'm sitting this theory is pretty frail.

 

[Knave]

Joe Rogan set the fires. That's a fact. How many people has he killed?

 

[bicboi64]

Joe Rogan set the fires. That's a fact. How many people has he killed?

Probably started the fire after snorting some DMT.