OT: Sens Lounge - Golf season edition

[Stylizer1]

I was marching your level of didacticism. You’re stating your opinion like it’s fact or an edict. I really do want to talk about it.

How about you address this opinion of mine?

“I think trans women should be allowed to participate in the women's class of recreational and most competitive sports. The focus is on health and socialization in most cases, and there's room for all to play and compete, and in general it doesn't pose a health or safety risk to women, or edge them out of spots to play.”

Your only argument so far has been that trans women will take down all of the women’s world records, a valid concern for the elite tiers of sport, imo, which doesn’t apply to recreational, intramural, or even the lower competitive ranks.

I am stating my opinion plain and simple. The way you choose to interpret that is on you not me.

The focus on health and socialization should be practiced by everyone. Why can't a Trans women enter a men's league? It's very selfish to want to exploit a sport where women compete against one another for a persons self interest.

Should Trans women be allowed to enter women's boxing, wrestling or martial arts?

The issue complicates everything so much in the name of equality that it actually distorts it even more. If 1/4 of the population were trans then the argument could be made that there should be an extra division. Those numbers do not reflect that so you will have to wait until it can be. It's like WNBA players wanting to get paid in a similar fashion to NBA players. There are enough women on the planet that they shouldn't have a problem attracting the interest needed to justify similar salary structures. The reality is not enough women care about the WNBA to justify it. So they have to wait, just like Trans people do. A lot of women love playing hockey in Canada but not enough to create a viable league. Can't put the cart before the horse.

As for my only argument there are records at all levels of sports. Those are goals people are in pursuit of. At some point every record held by a women will be broken.

Everybody wants to be given everything just for the sake. If you earn it no one can take it away.

The only time trans people should be permitted to play is if they are mixed leagues. You see softball leagues were men and women play together. There should be no issue there.

 

[Stylizer1]

Here you go, create an LGBT???... league. You want socialization, there you go.

Don't disrupt the enjoyment of others.

 

[Flamingo]

mac

Here you go, create an LGBT???... league. You want socialization, there you go.

Don't disrupt the enjoyment of others.

It's clear whose enjoyment you consider worth protecting and whose doesn't matter.

I am stating my opinion plain and simple. The way you choose to interpret that is on you not me.

The focus on health and socialization should be practiced by everyone. Why can't a Trans women enter a men's league? It's very selfish to want to exploit a sport where women compete against one another for a persons self interest.

Should Trans women be allowed to enter women's boxing, wrestling or martial arts?

The issue complicates everything so much in the name of equality that it actually distorts it even more. If 1/4 of the population were trans then the argument could be made that there should be an extra division. Those numbers do not reflect that so you will have to wait until it can be. It's like WNBA players wanting to get paid in a similar fashion to NBA players. There are enough women on the planet that they shouldn't have a problem attracting the interest needed to justify similar salary structures. The reality is not enough women care about the WNBA to justify it. So they have to wait, just like Trans people do. A lot of women love playing hockey in Canada but not enough to create a viable league. Can't put the cart before the horse.

As for my only argument there are records at all levels of sports. Those are goals people are in pursuit of. At some point every record held by a women will be broken.

Everybody wants to be given everything just for the sake. If you earn it no one can take it away.

The only time trans people should be permitted to play is if they are mixed leagues. You see softball leagues were men and women play together. There should be no issue there.

Why can't a Trans woman enter a men's league? Trans women generally wish to live and pass as women. Granted, some aren't lucky enough to pass, it requires a certain stature, and there are tells like voice and adam's apple, etc. But the point is, they feel like women, live like women, socialize like women. Sports isn't just about records. It's about socializing, health, etc. A trans woman would be as unsafe in a men's league as a biological woman, to answer your question about why not. Not just because of testosterone suppression, but because of social acceptance too.

Your points about boxing, wrestling, etc. are well taken. I made them myself too.

My position is that the right decision is a bit more nuanced than "no trans women in women's sport after junior high." I find that very heavy-handed and it completely ignores the needs of a trans person, whose rights matter just as much as the biological women's.

Sports isn't just about records. It's about life, about engagement.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Qward,

Depression and B12 are linked. Load up on NON-Meat protein for a while..Eggs, fish, cheese, lentil, Quinoa, etc. Chicken is okay, minimize red meat.

stay away from alcohol and coffee for a while.

lower your sugar intake (sweets, soda, direct sugar intake). Be careful of high carbs, they are sugar!!!

these are minor fixes that help.

you need something like 0.8 g per kg body mass in Protein.. so if you weigh 175 lbs that is ~ 70 kg that is ~ 55 grams.. the equivalent of 1/2 of a chicken breast. Make sure you consume the proper amount of protein.

and above all, see a doctor if you do not start feeling better.

I really recommend taking long walks while listening to a supportive or immersive podcasts. It really helped me out during the lockdowns. Most of us changed gears over the last few years, and have not really got back into a good rhythm again. News and social media are overwhelming. Way too much negativity thrown at us. I really liked listening to the blindboy podcast. I still do on occasion. He talks a lot of how he deals with his anxiety, and I found it helped along with his weird sense of humour. Diet and exercise are definitely important. It is too easy to end the day with a few drinks... this is something to avoid. Your mind is like a muscle in some ways. Treat it to some good ol'fashion relaxation. Hockey season is coming.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Very timely...

 

[Flamingo]

Very timely...

Some people are just natural grumps, then?

 

[2CHAINZ]

Very timely...

What a joke of an article! I speak for myself, and I know plenty of others who have had huge positive impacts from adding these things to their lives. Articles like this just help enforce this hopeless mindset I find a lot of younger people have. Exercise, walking, nature, sunshine, and eating healthy have had a 10000000000000000% more helpful impact on my happiness and mental health than the long list of SSRI's and benzos I have taken. Even if it is just a placebo effect on people, is it really a bad thing if it gets people doing things that are good and healthy for them? Why would a news outlet even release an article that may stop some people from even trying to do healthier things for themselves?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

My wife and I did the float spa thing a few times over the last couple of years. I enjoyed it. You are 100% alone in the calm dark.

It's not expensive, and it really is amazing if you are not claustrophobic.

 

[DrEasy]

What a joke of an article! I speak for myself, and I know plenty of others who have had huge positive impacts from adding these things to their lives. Articles like this just help enforce this hopeless mindset I find a lot of younger people have. Exercise, walking, nature, sunshine, and eating healthy have had a 10000000000000000% more helpful impact on my happiness and mental health than the long list of SSRI's and benzos I have taken. Even if it is just a placebo effect on people, is it really a bad thing if it gets people doing things that are good and healthy for them? Why would a news outlet even release an article that may stop some people from even trying to do healthier things for themselves?

The CBC article itself doesn't say categorically "don't exercise" or anything like that. It first cites some meta-study that says there isn't strong support for exercise (or against, for that matter) among the research that involved a significant number of test subjects. But that's not really surprising, because there's so much noise in "soft science" data that it's usually hard to conclude anything definitive in these kinds of studies. For example there's been this recent crisis in empirical psychology where basically people found it really hard to reproduce results from papers, and that even includes entire chapters from best-sellers such as Thinking Fast and Slow. But I digress...

The CBC article then cites researchers who refute the meta-study's methodology, for example they only looked at studies where people had some normal baseline of happiness, i.e. they didn't look at whether people specifically struggling with depression got better with exercise or socializing.

All this to say, don't lose sleep over this article...

 

[2CHAINZ]

The CBC article itself doesn't say categorically "don't exercise" or anything like that. It first cites some meta-study that says there isn't strong support for exercise (or against, for that matter) among the research that involved a significant number of test subjects. But that's not really surprising, because there's so much noise in "soft science" data that it's usually hard to conclude anything definitive in these kinds of studies. For example there's been this recent crisis in empirical psychology where basically people found it really hard to reproduce results from papers, and that even includes entire chapters from best-sellers such as Thinking Fast and Slow. But I digress...

The CBC article then cites researchers who refute the meta-study's methodology, for example they only looked at studies where people had some normal baseline of happiness, i.e. they didn't look at whether people specifically struggling with depression got better with exercise or socializing.

All this to say, don't lose sleep over this article...

Yes, I am aware. My point is, why on earth would you title an article this way and, most importantly, ever even bother to release an article of this nature? How on earth does this provide anything positive? People today will use the title of the article and not the actual studies as their argument, as we see time and time again. There is nothing positive about this article; it does in no way help anyone and is completely pointless, imo.

 

[DrEasy]

Yes, I am aware. My point is, why on earth would you title an article this way and, most importantly, ever even bother to release an article of this nature? How on earth does this provide anything positive? People today will use the title of the article and not the actual studies as their argument, as we see time and time again. There is nothing positive about this article; it does in no way help anyone and is completely pointless, imo.

The CBC isn't above putting out trash clickbait headlines...

 

[Stylizer1]

mac

It's clear whose enjoyment you consider worth protecting and whose doesn't matter.


Why can't a Trans woman enter a men's league? Trans women generally wish to live and pass as women. Granted, some aren't lucky enough to pass, it requires a certain stature, and there are tells like voice and adam's apple, etc. But the point is, they feel like women, live like women, socialize like women. Sports isn't just about records. It's about socializing, health, etc. A trans woman would be as unsafe in a men's league as a biological woman, to answer your question about why not. Not just because of testosterone suppression, but because of social acceptance too.

Your points about boxing, wrestling, etc. are well taken. I made them myself too.

My position is that the right decision is a bit more nuanced than "no trans women in women's sport after junior high." I find that very heavy-handed and it completely ignores the needs of a trans person, whose rights matter just as much as the biological women's.

Sports isn't just about records. It's about life, about engagement.

I care about the billions of people having to bend over backwards for an extremely small minority to have their needs fulfilled. That's not how life works. When blacks were forbidden to play baseball in the USA they started the Negro Leagues.

Most people who identify as Trans can't "feel" like a woman because they don't have ovaries. Ovaries are a hell of an organ.

When I say no trans women after Jr High is because that's when a noticeable separation occurs between the genders. Not only is competitiveness increased but so is the physicality of sports. People who are serious about their sports and are looking to do it on the next level require a level playing field in order to achieve their goals like playing professional, getting scholarships, and qualifying for the Olympics.

I think we have to be able to separate those who are legitimately Trans and those who feel trans. There is a huge difference. Semenya was raised female because, and I don't know this as fact, but her doctor probable saw a vagina at birth as did the parents and raised her as such. Maybe it wasn't known for a while she was intersex, maybe they knew from the get go. Again, I have no idea but for arguments sake.

What you are arguing regardless of the persons physical attributes they should be able to play with whom ever they want so they feel the sense of inclusion and all of the other benefits that come with it but at the same time disregarding those same sentiments that are prominent among female athletes. Your robbing Peter to pay Paul.

In boxing you have weight classes, maybe with Trans women you should have testosterone classes. This is not a joke but real if you want a fair system.

Bone density, muscle mass, size, reflexes are all things you can't surpass in sports but you would be willing to give it a pass for a small portion. That isn't fair.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

The CBC isn't above putting out trash clickbait headlines...

Watch your mouth. The CBC is a Canadian institution and a critical part of our democracy.

 

[Flamingo]

I care about the billions of people having to bend over backwards for an extremely small minority to have their needs fulfilled. That's not how life works. When blacks were forbidden to play baseball in the USA they started the Negro Leagues.

Most people who identify as Trans can't "feel" like a woman because they don't have ovaries. Ovaries are a hell of an organ.

When I say no trans women after Jr High is because that's when a noticeable separation occurs between the genders. Not only is competitiveness increased but so is the physicality of sports. People who are serious about their sports and are looking to do it on the next level require a level playing field in order to achieve their goals like playing professional, getting scholarships, and qualifying for the Olympics.

I think we have to be able to separate those who are legitimately Trans and those who feel trans. There is a huge difference. Semenya was raised female because, and I don't know this as fact, but her doctor probable saw a vagina at birth as did the parents and raised her as such. Maybe it wasn't known for a while she was intersex, maybe they knew from the get go. Again, I have no idea but for arguments sake.

What you are arguing regardless of the persons physical attributes they should be able to play with whom ever they want so they feel the sense of inclusion and all of the other benefits that come with it but at the same time disregarding those same sentiments that are prominent among female athletes. Your robbing Peter to pay Paul.

In boxing you have weight classes, maybe with Trans women you should have testosterone classes. This is not a joke but real if you want a fair system.

Bone density, muscle mass, size, reflexes are all things you can't surpass in sports but you would be willing to give it a pass for a small portion. That isn't fair.

Ooph. I think I should take the moderator's hint and leave this sensitive behind.

But not without a couple of parting thoughts...

Firstly, individual rights are important no matter who you are. But the individuals whose rights who need the most active defending are typically those in the minority, because they usually are the ones that get ignored or trampled on simply because they find they're swimming upsteram in any way that their identity runs counter to the ensconsed social caste and rules.

Secondly, you do seem to really be interested in the details of what a trans person is, what their experience is. The feeling of having ovaries is not part of the equation for obvious reasons. It's Pride Week in Ottawa. Maybe wander downtown tomorrow for the big march and be a curious onlooker, listen to what's important to LGBTQ people. No, they're not a monolith. Trans needs are very different and sometimes even divergent from LGB.

Thanks for the discussion, Styler.

 

[Stylizer1]

Ooph. I think I should take the moderator's hint and leave this sensitive behind.

But not without a couple of parting thoughts...

Firstly, individual rights are important no matter who you are. But the individuals whose rights who need the most active defending are typically those in the minority, because they usually are the ones that get ignored or trampled on simply because they find they're swimming upsteram in any way that their identity runs counter to the ensconsed social caste and rules.

Secondly, you do seem to really be interested in the details of what a trans person is, what their experience is. The feeling of having ovaries is not part of the equation for obvious reasons. It's Pride Week in Ottawa. Maybe wander downtown tomorrow for the big march and be a curious onlooker, listen to what's important to LGBTQ people. No, they're not a monolith. Trans needs are very different and sometimes even divergent from LGB.

Thanks for the discussion, Styler.

It's too bad a moderator has to step in when 2 adults are having a discussion and can disagree. I wish they would just remove the ones who instigate and throw off the points of discussion. Trans should have the right as human beings to do what ever they want and should be allowed to express themselves as they wish. It's just not a green light to insert themselves where ever they want and force change that's not organic.

Thank you too Flamingo.

 

[Qward]

That discussion ran its course. No opinions are being changed.

 

[Beech]

Diet and exercise contributes in several areas...

Sugar is bad, It affects internal organs and impacts brain function. It causes emotional fluctuations Proper diet and exercise helps burn the sugar and reduce its content in the body

But there is a second benefit that is often not seen, A fit person is both physically able and slim/trim and therefore physically more pleasing to him/herself.

I have gone through this for 3 decades now and have swing from one extreme to another. And can attest to the above.

In summer, I cycle 2 hours a day, it keeps me as a size "4/6" using female body size as a reference. I feel great May-October.
November to April is winter, I am unable to cycle, I struggle to cycle indoors and so my weight rises and I have no means to burn all the sugar. I feel like shit.

To combat, I have a wet suit..3-4 mm of neoprene. I cycle in winter. I play hockey, I stay away from sugar and other high calorie foods. The impact? summer like happiness, Much less down.

It took 30 years to get here.

I have a detailed excel sheet that I use to track my daily food intake, exercise, protein, carb intake. I will post it when I log into my office computer.

Trust me: You cannot control forces that drive health pressure.. And no! health diet and exercise will not replace professional health service and pharmaceutical aides. But you can help yourself through diet and exercise. And can reduce mental health difficulties.

as a fit size 4/6, I always feel way better than unfit and a size 10/12.. regardless of the external stress. (UP TO A POINT)

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

f***, it's 4AM and I could really go for a NEW™ Wendy's breakfast wrap™ .

 

[Stylizer1]

f***, it's 4AM and I could really go for a NEW™ Wendy's breakfast wrap™ .

Team Canada is Playing Lebanon in Basketball.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Canadian 'Consumers' lmao. Not even 'customers' or 'patrons' lmao. 'Bout sums things up.

Eat it and love it

 

[Beech]

@Ice-Tray

you guy okay with all the fires the last month?

 

[Beech]

Golden Knights athletic trainer bringing Stanley Cup to Ottawa

Vegas Golden Knights athletic trainer, Mike Muir, has his day with hockey's ultimate prize, and is bringing it to Ottawa.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Knights trainer is bringing the cup to Ottawa today

 

[2CHAINZ]

Golden Knights athletic trainer bringing Stanley Cup to Ottawa

Vegas Golden Knights athletic trainer, Mike Muir, has his day with hockey's ultimate prize, and is bringing it to Ottawa.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Knights trainer is bringing the cup to Ottawa today

Wow. The closest Toronto will ever get to it.

 

[Beech]

Wow. The closest Toronto will ever get to it.

you did not appreciate the Stanley cup parade they had in the late 1990's when they opened what is now Scotiabank Arena???

You don't remember Tie Domi with the Cup in a parade... It did not sit well with the Red Wings who were the holder.

It only added what is so far 25 years to teh curse. never touch the touch the cup, until you win it.

Anyhow, if you are out there, take your kid. They might get a kick out of it.

Did Cassidy come to Ottawa with the Cup?