OT: Sens Lounge - Golf season edition

[Qward]

Hey @Flamingo,

1) I read a great deal and when an issue arises, I like to read up.. research done since about 2000, indicates;
The Silent generation (~1930-1945 births) are 2.5% LGBT associated
Baby boomer (1946-1963) are 5%
Gen X (1964-1979) are 10%
Gen Y or Millennials (1980-1995) are 20%
Gen Z (1995-2010) are 40%

I dont know what study you are referring to and I am not going to look it up, but if you look at it from a common sense perspective you can see the shift.

Society is increasing more accepting and tolerant of lifestyles that are not their own. While they do still face persecution and hatred from groups of people, those groups are becoming smaller.
You are more likely to be accepted today then you would have been 60 years ago. People are hiding in the closet less and less. Hell, my uncle was married to a woman before he came out of the closet and that was only 30 years ago. That will change your results.

The other major thing is before you were either heterosexual or homosexual. That was it. There is a reason the flag is a rainbow, it encapsulates the spectrum. Now people identify as bi, pan, asexual etc.
People are told today that it is okay if you find the same sex attractive. That doesnt make you immoral.

But enough about that. Lets get back to the real conversation. Aliens.

 

[Masked]

in fact, there's some evidence to the contrary

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to new research. The findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool...

www.sciencedaily.com

There appears to be a lot of criticism about that study and it's validity.

Study Showing Brains Differ for Gender Dysphoria Doesn't Prove Transgenderism Innate, Experts Say

A new study finds that certain brain activity of individuals who believe they are the opposite sex mirrors that of the gender they would like to embrace But experts say the study doesn t show whether

www.christianpost.com

Assen na yo!

 

[Micklebot]

But enough about that. Lets get back to the real conversation. Aliens.

 

[Micklebot]

There appears to be a lot of criticism about that study and it's validity.

Study Showing Brains Differ for Gender Dysphoria Doesn't Prove Transgenderism Innate, Experts Say

A new study finds that certain brain activity of individuals who believe they are the opposite sex mirrors that of the gender they would like to embrace But experts say the study doesn t show whether

www.christianpost.com

Assen na yo!

Never suggested it was proof that it was innate, but it is evidence it isn't some nebulous thing that there's no proof of.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

Oh wow. A couple in Germany who raised their kid neutral while trying to make a reality show - sounds really positive.

Using all pronouns also sounds like a great idea. How many times did tbeh say, "niche"?

If the main idea is that girls shouldn't have to wear dresses and boys don't need to play with trucks then I know a ton of that is happening.

Again, you saying all parents choose gender is pure BS - constructed for you to come back and use against people who disagree with you.

Anyway, choose to dress your kid however and call your kid whatever, it doesn't affect me 1 iota.

There are also religious families making shows about having huge families. Which is also BS.


Just because one dumb family tries to make money on something, it doesn't mean it is the norm.

 

[Mingus Dew]

There are also religious families making shows about having huge families. Which is also BS.


Just because one dumb family tries to make money on something, it doesn't mean it is the norm.

Yeah except the folks on that side of it have more direct (and nefarious) intentions.

Shiny Happy People would be a really interesting documentary if it wasn't so terrifying. IBLP and Quiverfull have made it their aim to infiltrate the highest levels of government and power in the USA. Similar to what the Federalist Society did with the legal profession and the courts.

 

[Stylizer1]

And thanks for showing your acquiescence to harassment of trans people.

Stop being a drama queen.

 

[Beech]

A pretty obvious variable is that society has over time become more accepting of the LGBT+ community and culture and as a result people are exposed to it more, see it as an option available to them open to coming out. Homesexuality was illegal in much of Canada until 1969. same sex marriage only became legal in 2005, there was far more stigma associated with being part of that community so ya, people were obviously going to be less likely to self identify, and more likely to repress any feelings they have.

I also have no idea where you're getting stats that say 40% of Gen Z are LGBT associated... that seems suspiciously high. I suspect the methodology might be a little off given recent ipsos study seems to suggest about half that for Gen z.

Kennedy was called a kook because there was no, and still isn't, any evidence of his claim,

do a 10 minute internet search

I do apologize, the % are of the LGBTQ,

effectively 40% of teh LGBTQ is Gen z.

So about 20% of gen Z is LGBT identified.

It does maintain the main point.

2.6% for Baby boomer to 20.8% for Gen Z.

9 fold.

This is in 2021, not 1951.

 

[Beech]

Hey, Beech. Sorry you're not featured in every episode, have your agent talk to the writers if you're not featured enough.

Very thoughtful questions, for which I don't have all the answers. (I'm skeptical of the quoted stats, will have to look into those out of personal interest.) Kennedy, btw, has proven to be a kook on subject matters that I can vet his proclamations on, so I'm highly skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth.

In lieu of a protracted response, the quick analogy that can help explain rising rates of LGBTQ-identification has to do with the history of left-handedness. If you look at a histogram of the number of people that are left-handed, you'll see it start to rise just before the mid-20th century, when it started to become less demonized. (My mother-in-law would use her left hand in school, and the nuns tied her left hand down to force her to use her right.) It rose over a few decades to a relatively stable 10% or so in the late 20th century. A large portion of the increase in all LGBTQ people can be attributed to the same effect.

I'm off to fix a "bike". Chat later.

fair. left hand writers/users went from 2% to 10%. A 5 fold.

I do apologize, I mixed my stats.

the 40% for Gen Z,, is their portion of the LGBT community

so, 2.6% to 20.8% 8-9 x.. more, but in the ball park.

Left handed people, were beaten down. Once "freed per say", they leveled off at 10%. Would you not say the LGBT community is "more or less freed". And so, why did the silent Generation and the Baby boomers, not go up to 20%?

A left hander can be beaten down and become a righty.... Can a gay person be beaten down and become straight and not resort back?

Denying your sexuality is one thing, moving past it is another. I fully expected a flood of people in their 60's and 70's to come out over the last 25 years.. While some have, it is far from a flood.

2.6% to 20.8%...a chasm..

Anyway..Kennedy is a Kook. and Trans athletes should not be banned from the female category. and Levitcus 18-22 which is causing all the problems with religion is being mis-interpreted. It is about pederasty and not homosexulaity. Levitcus 18:21 is the intro to 18:22 and it speaks about giving your children to adults. So Pedophilia in 18:21 and pederasty in 18:22.

Hope your bike got fixed. I had to do more work on mine. I think I finally fixed them. One less Car.

 

[Flamingo]

Stop being a drama queen.

That attitude is a part of the challenge. The theats to safety and livelihood that trans people face are minimized by people with no stake in the game. And that attitude is taken advantage of by people and groups with anti-trans adgendas. Just take a look at how trans people are treated in Florida.

 

[Micklebot]

do a 10 minute internet search

I do apologize, the % are of the LGBTQ,

effectively 40% of teh LGBTQ is Gen z.

So about 20% of gen Z is LGBT identified.
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It does maintain the main point.

2.6% for Baby boomer to 20.8% for Gen Z.

9 fold.

This is in 2021, not 1951.

Again, this makes perfect sense as their formative years are in a society that is more open to LGBTQ, and they are therefore interacting with a peer group that is more likely to be accepting and are thus willing to explore that aspect of themselves. A baby boomer married for 50 years, grew up thinking it was immoral, with peers that grew up thinking it was immoral, isn't likely to start experimenting and come to the realization that maybe they fall into one of these categories.

Very little in the psychological relm s going to be 100% Nature or 100% nurture, those born outside of the last 20-25 years got very little nurture in terms of acceptance of LGBTQ+, That doesn't just go away now that it's 2023 and many still have barriers, you aren't as likely to explore homosexuality when you're married with kids, though it does happen

 

[Beech]

I dont know what study you are referring to and I am not going to look it up, but if you look at it from a common sense perspective you can see the shift.

Society is increasing more accepting and tolerant of lifestyles that are not their own. While they do still face persecution and hatred from groups of people, those groups are becoming smaller.
You are more likely to be accepted today then you would have been 60 years ago. People are hiding in the closet less and less. Hell, my uncle was married to a woman before he came out of the closet and that was only 30 years ago. That will change your results.

The other major thing is before you were either heterosexual or homosexual. That was it. There is a reason the flag is a rainbow, it encapsulates the spectrum. Now people identify as bi, pan, asexual etc.
People are told today that it is okay if you find the same sex attractive. That doesnt make you immoral.

But enough about that. Lets get back to the real conversation. Aliens.

I do appologize Qwrad. The 40%, is of teh pereecntage of teh LGBTQ community that is gen Z.

the total is

Thsi is incredibly significant. It shows a doubling with each generation. That is incredibly fast.

Effectively, it takes 2 generations to create a parent/child combo..

So Silent Gen is at 0.8%.. their children are teh Gen X at 4.2 % .. 5 fold
Baby boomer to millennial 2.6 to 10.5.. 5 fold
Gen X to Gen z 4.2 to 20.8 5 fold

every parent child has produced a 5 fold increase.

If it stays; Millennials at 10.5 will Parent children at 52%.. so kids born 2013-2030 roughly, may be 52% LGBT.

Gen z to their children will be impossible, but who knows.. by 2031..100%..

So, is it acceptance???? Or do we have other issues at hand?

 

[Stylizer1]

That attitude is a part of the challenge. The theats to safety and livelihood that trans people face are minimized by people with no stake in the game. And that attitude is taken advantage of by people and groups with anti-trans adgendas. Just take a look at how trans people are treated in Florida.

What ever about the threats to safety. No group of people is at anymore of a threat than any others. Jews, blacks, women, men, children, Asians etc all have threats to their safety for what ever reason.

 

[Flamingo]

fair. left hand writers/users went from 2% to 10%. A 5 fold.

I do apologize, I mixed my stats.
View attachment 737794
the 40% for Gen Z,, is their portion of the LGBT community

so, 2.6% to 20.8% 8-9 x.. more, but in the ball park.

Left handed people, were beaten down. Once "freed per say", they leveled off at 10%. Would you not say the LGBT community is "more or less freed". And so, why did the silent Generation and the Baby boomers, not go up to 20%?

A left hander can be beaten down and become a righty.... Can a gay person be beaten down and become straight and not resort back?

Denying your sexuality is one thing, moving past it is another. I fully expected a flood of people in their 60's and 70's to come out over the last 25 years.. While some have, it is far from a flood.

2.6% to 20.8%...a chasm..

Anyway..Kennedy is a Kook. and Trans athletes should not be banned from the female category. and Levitcus 18-22 which is causing all the problems with religion is being mis-interpreted. It is about pederasty and not homosexulaity. Levitcus 18:21 is the intro to 18:22 and it speaks about giving your children to adults. So Pedophilia in 18:21 and pederasty in 18:22.

Hope your bike got fixed. I had to do more work on mine. I think I finally fixed them. One less Car.

I find 20% surprisingly high too. I thought the LG part was stable at about 10%, and I believe a 2022 census has 1.2% (averaged over all generations, I imagine) identifying as trans.

I think sexuality is a spectrum, and wouldn't be surprised a lot of people would identify as bi, depending on the question.

I despair when I see people floating conspiracy theories that there's some WEF-led activity to disrupt hormones and influence teens through ticktok to drive down birth rates as part of some replacement theory plot.

 

[dumbdick]

I find 20% surprisingly high too. I thought the LG part was stable at about 10%, and I believe a 2022 census has 1.2% (averaged over all generations, I imagine) identifying as trans.

I think sexuality is a spectrum, and wouldn't be surprised a lot of people would identify as bi, depending on the question.

I despair when I see people floating conspiracy theories that there's some WEF-led activity to disrupt hormones and influence teens through ticktok to drive down birth rates as part of some replacement theory plot.

Honest question: what do you think of the idea that there's a bit of a social trend influencing the stats? I.e, that it's kind of cool for kids to identify in the LGBT+ community right now?

Do you think that's part of this? Or is it just that the real numbers are kind of showing through now due to increased acceptance and changing times?

 

[Beech]

Again, this makes perfect sense as their formative years are in a society that is more open to LGBTQ, and they are therefore interacting with a peer group that is more likely to be accepting and are thus willing to explore that aspect of themselves. A baby boomer married for 50 years, grew up thinking it was immoral, with peers that grew up thinking it was immoral, isn't likely to start experimenting and come to the realization that maybe they fall into one of these categories.

Very little in the psychological relm s going to be 100% Nature or 100% nurture, those born outside of the last 20-25 years got very little nurture in terms of acceptance of LGBTQ+, That doesn't just go away now that it's 2023.

The LGBT community has been organized and has had representative groups for decades. It is not new.

1 in 10 was a motto for years.. as in 10% of society.

their stance was always, we are born this way. Effectively, you are born gay. Okay. So, you are born gay. By puberty, you get confused, 2-3 year later, you are somewhat aware.... but yes, societal forces keep you down.. But, does that change your feelings, your beliefs, your view of who you are??? How??

So years later, as the shackles come off, what is keeping you from coming out? Married for 50 years....WHO? check out divorce rates since the 1960's. Through the roof. We passed the 50% divorce rate some 40 years ago.

why would a 70 year old person, in 2021..so born in 1951.. a Baby Boomer.. Divorced.. and is gay, not come out....

Millennials are the kids of Baby boomers...2,6% to 10.5%. 5 times... The heck no, we won't go.. Burn your Bra, generation is at 2.6%, and their kids at 10.5%!!!...no big deal.. the Millennials will parent a generation that is 52%.. if the 5x holds.

 

[Micklebot]

I find 20% surprisingly high too. I thought the LG part was stable at about 10%, and I believe a 2022 census has 1.2% (averaged over all generations, I imagine) identifying as trans.

I think sexuality is a spectrum, and wouldn't be surprised a lot of people would identify as bi, depending on the question.

I despair when I see people floating conspiracy theories that there's some WEF-led activity to disrupt hormones and influence teens through ticktok to drive down birth rates as part of some replacement theory plot.

Potentially people that are still questioning their gender would be captured too, which would likely skew towards younger people

Also good point about it being a spectrum

 

[Flamingo]

Honest question: what do you think of the idea that there's a bit of a social trend influencing the stats? I.e, that it's kind of cool for kids to identify in the LGBT+ community right now?

Do you think that's part of this? Or is it just that the real numbers are kind of showing through now due to increased acceptance and changing times?

I imagine some kids play with the idea of gender transitioning without doing it. Isn’t Gen Z almost all adult now, though?

 

[Flamingo]

The LGBT community has been organized and has had representative groups for decades. It is not new.

1 in 10 was a motto for years.. as in 10% of society.

their stance was always, we are born this way. Effectively, you are born gay. Okay. So, you are born gay. By puberty, you get confused, 2-3 year later, you are somewhat aware.... but yes, societal forces keep you down.. But, does that change your feelings, your beliefs, your view of who you are??? How??

So years later, as the shackles come off, what is keeping you from coming out? Married for 50 years....WHO? check out divorce rates since the 1960's. Through the roof. We passed the 50% divorce rate some 40 years ago.

why would a 70 year old person, in 2021..so born in 1951.. a Baby Boomer.. Divorced.. and is gay, not come out....

Millennials are the kids of Baby boomers...2,6% to 10.5%. 5 times... The heck no, we won't go.. Burn your Bra, generation is at 2.6%, and their kids at 10.5%!!!...no big deal.. the Millennials will parent a generation that is 52%.. if the 5x holds.

I have had two male work colleagues that were married to women and had children, and decided/realized they were gay. Divorced. One now has a male spouse, the other serially dates only men. Both Gen X, one maybe late Boomer.

 

[Beech]

I find 20% surprisingly high too. I thought the LG part was stable at about 10%, and I believe a 2022 census has 1.2% (averaged over all generations, I imagine) identifying as trans.

I think sexuality is a spectrum, and wouldn't be surprised a lot of people would identify as bi, depending on the question.

I despair when I see people floating conspiracy theories that there's some WEF-led activity to disrupt hormones and influence teens through ticktok to drive down birth rates as part of some replacement theory plot.

Is a child born to a black parent and a white parent, black or not? Yes, part white and we use terms like Bi-racial, but he is still black.

And so does he not count towards the black population?

So Bi-sexual individuals are not members of the LGBT community?

5 fold increase in every parent child generation since the Silent generation (Pre 1946 birth).. 5 fold!!

The next cycle, has the Milennials at 10.5%... if it holds, their kids will be at 52.5%..Millennials began to have children in 2005.. and so this year, the oldest of which would have turned 18.. 52.5%

Gen Z.. born in 1997. Started having children more or less this year. At 20.8% and times 5, you get 104%..

Some questions will have to be answered in the next 10 years.

 

[Flamingo]

Potentially people that are still questioning their gender would be captured too, which would likely skew towards younger people

Also good point about it being a spectrum

In the 90s, I knew one once-male colleague that transitioned at middle age. He started coming to work in dresses. Certainly didn’t “pass.” I do notice that teens today do talk about their gender identity, whereas I never encountered that as a kid.

 

[Stylizer1]

Honest question: what do you think of the idea that there's a bit of a social trend influencing the stats? I.e, that it's kind of cool for kids to identify in the LGBT+ community right now?

Do you think that's part of this? Or is it just that the real numbers are kind of showing through now due to increased acceptance and changing times?

Every generation has their thing.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

What a pro-oil load of false dillema.

Ontario taxpayers spent 15 billion dollars on green energy ( windmills & solar panel farms) and on a good day they supply 3.5 to 4 % of the total demand for electricity in the province.

 

[Flamingo]

Ontario taxpayers spent 15 billion dollars on green energy ( windmills & solar panel farms) and on a good day they supply 3.5 to 4 % of the total demand for electricity in the province.

Cool.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Cool.