OT: Sens Lounge CV - The CV Joint and other Car Parts Edition

[Micklebot]

What percentage of people get over it, are admitted to the hospital and who are placed in intensive care?

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season | CDC

Age group	Symptomatic illnesses	Medical visits	Hospitalizations	Deaths
All ages	35,520,883	16,520,350	490,561	34,157
		46.509%	1.381%	0.096%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[maclean]

It's a strain of influenza but it's anything but common.

Not that it particularly matters, but it's not a strain of influenza, it is a coronavirus, which is a different virus.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

That's insane.


Now imagine if one or two of those folks in that crowd have the virus.......

Which they probably do...

 

[Senscore]

Not that it particularly matters, but it's not a strain of influenza, it is a coronavirus, which is a different virus.

Touche.

 

[Stylizer1]

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season | CDC

Age group	Symptomatic illnesses	Medical visits	Hospitalizations	Deaths
All ages	35,520,883	16,520,350	490,561	34,157
		46.509%	1.381%	0.096%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So half the people with influenza needed medical attention and 1.5 % needed hospitalization.

So coronavirus 80% get over it, 20% need medical attention, and 5% need hospitalization?

 

[TheDebater]

So half the people with influenza needed medical attention and 1.5 % needed hospitalization.

So coronavirus 80% get over it, 20% need medical attention, and 5% need hospitalization?

One thing you have to realize is that this is not the "common flu", emphasis on "common".

What scares people is that this is new and is spreading so quickly globally. We have all caught a cold or the flu and got over it with some discomfort but we generally know that our bodies can fight it.

With this Covid-19, we still do not know for sure if our bodies can fight it or not so that is what has people worried. The fact that it is spreading at such an alarming rate is bad too, I have been around enough people with a cold and I do not always catch it. With this, we again do not know what we are dealing with, so yes that does add an element of panic.

 

[Qward]

Estimation of the deaths by COVID-19 world wide by the end of this is 520,000,000.

Remember, influenza isnt on the back burner because covid 19 is out and about. This is like a double situation, only covid is much more transmittable.

 

[Micklebot]

So half the people with influenza needed medical attention and 1.5 % needed hospitalization.

So coronavirus 80% get over it, 20% need medical attention, and 5% need hospitalization?

The difference is people get a flu they go to the doctor, they get something right now they are told to self isolate and not go because of how contagious this is. We're also using stats that might not define medical attention the same. Presumably, the way medical medical visits for the flu are tallied, every single confirmed case of Covid-19 would be qualify as they did a swab so that they could test. You get a flu, you might go to the doctor to get swabbed to check if it's strep throat and antibiotics are needed, if not, go home and take a few days off work.

The key part that you seem to be glossing over is hospitalization and death rates. They are wildly different.

The other bit that's getting ignored is how quick this is spreading. Without a vaccine, nobody is immune so it's spreading like wildfire starting in pockets. Flu is already in every community, so it's a stable threat. Covid19 in still in it's rising action, and the burden it creates on healthcare above and beyond baseline healthcare needs means that the system will get overloaded. Think of this like trying to get out of the CTC parking lot on a game day 5 years ago vs trying to get out on a Sunday afternoon in August.

 

[Qward]

What does your doctor give you for the flu?
It's a virus.

 

[Daffy]

Estimation of the deaths by COVID-19 world wide by the end of this is 520,000,000.

Remember, influenza isnt on the back burner because covid 19 is out and about. This is like a double situation, only covid is much more transmittable.

Can't see it coming anything close to that

 

[Dingle]

The added issue is fear and panic..We are one VIP death away from panic.

Let one youngish VIP die..and we will be past panic.

 

[Qward]

Can't see it coming anything close to that

Every 4 days the number of infected doubles.

The number 1 at risk are elderly that smoke.
The number 2 are people that are obese.

China has a lot of old men that smoke and America has a lot of obese people.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Every 4 days the number of infected doubles.

The number 1 at risk are elderly that smoke.
The number 2 are people that are obese.

China has a lot of old men that smoke and America has a lot of obese people.

What age do they define as elderly? 70 and above?

 

[Qward]

What age do they define as elderly? 70 and above?

65 I believe is what the guy said.

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is the kind of situation where you have to overreact to get ahead of things. Then these over reactions hill become normal protocol next time we see something like this, and new protocols will he added.

I wouldn’t suggest bunkering down type of overreact, but putting the community through a light stockpile is good to gauge community action, as well as to test government response actions.

We wouldn’t want to be in here arguing with Stylizer if this was H1N1 as an airborn pathogen.

 

[Qward]

My son had H1N1 when he was a baby. Scary time.

 

[Caeldan]

I still wish the markets would stop overreacting. I mean I know eventually they'll recover, and I don't need to sell what I have for anything at the moment but it's really painful to see your investments drop between 10-20% in the course of a few weeks.

 

[Dingle]

Every 4 days the number of infected doubles.

The number 1 at risk are elderly that smoke.
The number 2 are people that are obese.

China has a lot of old men that smoke and America has a lot of obese people.

Qward

China first reacted in December. From patient 1 until today, that should mean ~ 6 million cases.

not to minimize this, but the total cases are way less.

or is the 4 day doubling thing, new? in which case, ouch where we may be heading.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Estimation of the deaths by COVID-19 world wide by the end of this is 520,000,000.

Remember, influenza isnt on the back burner because covid 19 is out and about. This is like a double situation, only covid is much more transmittable.

Where did you see that number?

 

[Mingus Dew]

It's quite doable. Shut the border to international travellers but leave it open for commercial cargo. The economy will keep ticking for the most part.

This is largely my fear. I’m not an American citizen so any border shutdown while I’m in Canada would upturn my life in a big way.

Cancelled my trip. Full refund on hotel and lift tickets. Not looking forward to dealing with flights.

 

[Qward]

Qward

China first reacted in December. From patient 1 until today, that should mean ~ 6 million cases.

not to minimize this, but the total cases are way less.

or is the 4 day doubling thing, new? in which case, ouch where we may be heading.

In an uncontrolled environment.

1) It's china, we have no way of knowing the true numbers.
2) They closed an entire city.

Ohio is estimating that they have 100,000 cases. The CDC has tested 77 people.

China took this shit seriously. Trump...not so much.

 

[Qward]

 

[Dingle]

In an uncontrolled environment.

1) It's china, we have no way of knowing the true numbers.
2) They closed an entire city.

Ohio is estimating that they have 100,000 cases. The CDC has tested 77 people.

China took this shit seriously. Trump...not so much.

so Canada which lists ~130 may be ~130,000? eeekks

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

The added issue is fear and panic..We are one VIP death away from panic.

Let one youngish VIP die..and we will be past panic.

I don’t know man. People are far more stable than we give ourselves credit for. What are you expecting to happen? Violence and looting?

 

[Dingle]

I don’t know man. People are far more stable than we give ourselves credit for. What are you expecting to happen? Violence and looting?

I hope so..On Tuesday all was still well.

By MID day, the WHO say pandemic...things rattle
Wednesday morning, Tom Hanks declares he has it. More shaking
Wednesday evening, the whole NBA thing, Rudy Gobert...a full tremor
this morning Sophie Gregoire and our PM..more shaking

stores are emptying, people are uneasy

no deaths so far (VIP deaths).

let one occur..Let some story come out that; xxxxx fill the xx with a name and a status!!! we are okay, with a low status, nameless, faceless casualty... wow, how much I fear if a VIP.