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Haven't read all 11 pages, so am wondering if there's been a call for him to be fired yet?
 
Gil Gunderson said:
His work on defence/special teams has been more impressive than Smith's.
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Lol have you seen the difference in what he has to work with?

I'd get people harping on his work with the leafs D if the personnel was even average but it's among the worst groups in the league and an offensive system that doesn't do a lot to support them.
 
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Do Make Say Think said:
There is a reason we refer to the trouble makers as keyboard warriors. Those are the people who think that quoting stats means no argument is necessary, that is grants them some kind of authoritative status.

Analytics and stats are just numbers. Unless the formula used to get to them is flawed, numbers are never wrong (or right for that matter!)
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So is it ok to use goals and assists?
 
Let's be honest. Baring a huge change in the team finances, this team is out of the playoffs for the next 3 years. So, pretty much guaranteed that he'll be gone before any success in the standings.

Hope he's a good teacher for the next coach. Bought all you can do.
 


Given the above video, DJ Smith probably gave Dorion a high five in their interview and Dorion was hooked right away.

Dorion was probably in every other interview just day dreaming of getting high fived by Smith all season.
This was probably Dorion.
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NorthCoast said:
Let's be honest. Baring a huge change in the team finances, this team is out of the playoffs for the next 3 years. So, pretty much guaranteed that he'll be gone before any success in the standings.

Hope he's a good teacher for the next coach. Bought all you can do.
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Pretty much. He's a stop gap for the next guy.
 
BondraTime said:
All of that is just things you get from watching a game. You don't need advanced stats for any of that kind of analysis.

Advanced stats have their niche, but will never have the impact they do in baseball, because baseball is a static sport with a start/end while hockey is a continuous running game. There's a reason there has never been a big advanced stats breakthrough in hockey that as led to any kind of success like in baseball.
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95% this.

Analytics has it's place but it is not behind an NHL bench. Asst. GMs should have a grasp of it and it should be part of the vetting that goes on before any long term contract is signed.

GM: We've agreed in principle with player X on a 6 year contract worth $42M.

Asst. GM: We might want to think some more about this. Player X has scored 25 goals in each of the last 4 seasons but he plays on the #1 PP unit of a very good team and both his Fenwick and Corsi stats suggest that he has been increasingly weak in 5-on-5 situations. Furthermore his advanced stats show that he has been the weakest link on each line he's been consistently a part of over the last 2 years.

GM: Hmm. Maybe we look elsewhere.

I'm OK with that kind of analysis being done with respect to signings of other teams' players. But if a coach needs those kind of numbers to evaluate his own players he's a bad evaluator or he's not watching his team play enough.
 
Alf Silfversson said:
95% this.

Analytics has it's place but it is not behind an NHL bench. Asst. GMs should have a grasp on it and it should be part of the vetting that goes on before any long term contract is signed.

GM: We've agreed in principle with player X on a 6 year contract worth $42M.

Asst. GM: We might want to think some more about this. Player X has scored 25 goals in each of the last 4 seasons but he plays on the #1 PP unit of a very good team and both his Fenwick and Corsi stats suggest that he has been increasingly weak in 5-on-5 situations. Furthermore his advanced stats show that he has been the weakest link on each line he's been consistently a part of over the last 2 years.

GM: Hmm. Maybe we look elsewhere.

I'm OK with that kind of analysis being done with respect to signings of other teams' players. But if a coach needs those kind of numbers to evaluate his own players he's a bad evaluator or he's not watching his team play enough.
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The biggest problem I have with advanced stats is the ridiculously small sample sizes that HF boards posters try to use them in and pretend like they actually mean something. Even 1 full season of data isn't quite enough given how much random luck there is in any given game of hockey.

Now consider how much changeover there is with coaching and roster changes from year to year on your typical team, and it starts to become impossible in my eyes to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion from current advanced stats.
 
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Samsquanch said:
The biggest problem I have with advanced stats is the ridiculously small sample sizes that HF boards posters try to use them in and pretend like they actually mean something. Even 1 full season of data isn't quite enough given how much random luck there is in any given game of hockey.

Now consider how much changeover there is with coaching and roster changes from year to year on your typical team, and it starts to become impossible in my eyes to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion from current advanced stats.
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True.

Listening to some you'd think a Corsi point over the course of a season is the difference between the SCF and the lottery.
 
BatherSeason said:
Explain them to us then, tell us why they are garbage with an actual argument instead of calling people keyboard warriors and silly stat lovers.
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I've worked with the data analytics teams in a few government departments and from some of the large consultancies and they all suffer from the same thing: they have advanced abilities to extract large swaths of data from databases but come crashing to earth when attempting to infer something of analytical value from the data.

And hockey analytics is much the same
 
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