News Article: Sens hire DJ Smith as head coach

[BatherSeason]

Yeah, it’s an indicator of other things. When you address those, the indicators are favourable, and your probability of winning games increases statistically. How much time do you have the puck, how often are you in the opposing teams end, and how many shots/scoring chances are you generating, also where are they coming from which in turn lends to a higher probability of actually scoring. Then you have to break down to a line by line basis and from there a player by player basis etc

So, anti-analytic people, whats wrong with generating this type of information? Analytics, or advanced stats are a fantastic tool to help build a lineup or for a coach to see tendencies and patterns in players and while building a lineup.

But, lets just call people keyboard warriors because insulting people is so so mature than analytical people.

I work in intel and enforcement, and I tell you, our Data Analytics group provides us fantastic information that we use in our intel products, with out the data they provide us, our work would be incomplete..

 

[BatherSeason]

Call names? Are you serious? Holy politically correct. It’s clearly a joke. And I’m pro analytics.

Sorry about that, just saw "nerds" and figured you were "one of them"..haha.

 

[Engineer]

And I’m pro analytics.

Those damn anti-analytixxers

 

[Clayonator]

Nothing wrong with generating this information, is there? Analytics, or advanced stats are a fantastic tool to help build a lineup or for a coach to see tendencies.

But, lets just call people keyboard warriors because insulting people is so so mature than analytical people.

Yeah if you throw away something like corsi, you might as well do the same with plus/minus and GAA. They all serve a purpose.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah, it’s an indicator of other things. When you address those, the indicators are favourable, and your probability of winning games increases statistically. How much time do you have the puck, how often are you in the opposing teams end, and how many shots/scoring chances are you generating, also where are they coming from which in turn lends to a higher probability of actually scoring. Then you have to break down to a line by line basis and from there a player by player basis etc

All of that is just things you get from watching a game. You don't need advanced stats for any of that kind of analysis.

Advanced stats have their niche, but will never have the impact they do in baseball, because baseball is a static sport with a start/end while hockey is a continuous running game. There's a reason there has never been a big advanced stats breakthrough in hockey that as led to any kind of success like in baseball.

 

[Clayonator]

Sorry about that, just saw "nerds" and figured you were "one of them"..haha.

Hahaha well....I am factually a massive nerd to be completely honest

 

[Masked]

As I said:
People who love to rip analytics typically just can't be bothered to understand them.

People who love the silly stats they refer to as analytics go to move is that the detractors don't understand them. The reality is that in most cases the detractors actually understand them much better than the silly stat lovers which is why they know they're garbage.

 

[Sens]

So all that money they saved on the extension offers and DJ Smith is the man

Hahaha

The offers were a farce

 

[BatherSeason]

Yeah if you throw away something like corsi, you might as well do the same with plus/minus and GAA. They all serve a purpose.

Plus/Minus and GAA are basically advanced stats. They aren't very good ones, but they are advanced.

 

[Clayonator]

All of that is just things you get from watching a game. You don't need advanced stats for any of that kind of analysis.

Advanced stats have their niche, but will never have the impact they do in baseball, because baseball is a static sport with a start/end while hockey is a continuous running game.

Sure. All it is, is a record of what you just witnessed, assuming one was paying close enough attention to keep track of the trends and nuances.

 

[BatherSeason]

People who love the silly stats they refer to as analytics go to move is that the detractors don't understand them. The reality is that in most cases the detractors actually understand them much better than the silly stat lovers which is why they know they're garbage.

Explain them to us then, tell us why they are garbage with an actual argument instead of calling people keyboard warriors and silly stat lovers.

 

[Masked]

All of that is just things you get from watching a game. You don't need advanced stats for any of that kind of analysis.

Advanced stats have their niche, but will never have the impact they do in baseball, because baseball is a static sport with a start/end while hockey is a continuous running game. There's a reason there has never been a big advanced stats breakthrough in hockey that as led to any kind of success like in baseball.

Everyone wants to be the Bill James of hockey except they aren't smart enough to figure out that baseball is a sport of discrete events and hockey is not. You can't isolate the variables in hockey to create a statistically significant sample size like you can in baseball.

 

[BatherSeason]

Everyone wants to be the Bill James of hockey except they aren't smart enough to figure out that baseball is a sport of discrete events and hockey is not. You can't isolate the variables in hockey to create a statistically significant sample size like you can in baseball.

@Clayonator just gave you some variables.

 

[Engineer]

Everyone wants to be the Bill James of hockey except they aren't smart enough to figure out that baseball is a sport of discrete events and hockey is not. You can't isolate the variables in hockey to create a statistically significant sample size like you can in baseball.

You're going to have to get a little more in depth than this vague answer to prove that analytics are value-less.

I can assure you, as somebody who has worked in stats, that the average detractor understands nearly nothing about statistics, especially when I've asked people who have told me "statistics mean nothing because you can use them to support any claim" what standard deviation means and they look at me blankly, that the average detractor does not in fact understand statistics more than people who use them.

Now I will agree that there is a demographic of hockey enthusiasts who grasp too strong to "advanced" statistics, without understanding their limitations.

 

[BonkTastic]

Alright, final tally for the Coach Hire press conference is in... A couple of 3-stamp rows, but no winners today, lads. '

We almost had bottom-row - the two squares we missed were usually easy gimmes in a Dorion presser, but it just wasn't in the cards today, I guess.

DJ Smith talking for 70% of the press conference really took the wind out of today's presser for a potential Bingo. I'm sure Dorion will bring his best effort for the next one though!

 

[Clayonator]

Any guesses on assistant coaches folks?

 

[Engineer]

Any guesses on assistant coaches folks?

Marty Raymond!!

 

[coladin]

I haven't posted here in some time... but I had to reply to your post. I just watched the press conference and, at the beginning when PD is saying "...DJS will deliver to the Ottawa Senators' fans the team that they deserve..." - he followed en français word for word. The problem there is that he used a terrible anglicism for the word "deliver" and said "délivrer"... the French word for that is "livrer". But, even in this context, he should have used "il va contribuer" or "...il va assurer..." etc.

The funny part about this is that "délivrer" in French means to be freed of something bad, or rescued from something (jail), or, even funnier, "deliver us from evil"... So, in essence, he sort of said that our new HC will deliver us from our terrible team. I'm certain he had no clue what he actually said there but wouldn't it be funny if he had purposly done a play on word!! lol... I wonder if the French media had a bit of a chuckle on that one ; ) Next hire: a new translator!

Nice to see you around, Ray!

 

[Masked]

@Clayonator just gave you some variables.

I strongly suspect you don't understand the difference between variables and events.

 

[Tuna99]

Good luck DJ - get at them and get at them good

 

[Yak]

DJ Smith was at bottom of my list of hires and I should have known that would be the one PD would pick.

Hopefully he does a good job but seems like he is just another filler coach till the next hiring.

Hopefully this is the one that gets Dorion fired.

FYI : Expect DJ Smith to be working at Kanata Ford to earn extra income. He seems like he would be a great car salesman!

 

[BonkTastic]

Any guesses on assistant coaches folks?

... might pull another successful former OHL coach in as an assistant. Drew Bannister?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

So all that money they saved on the extension offers and DJ Smith is the man

Hahaha

The offers were a farce

Definitely a farce from the get go.

The crazy part is they seem to live in their little bubble thinking fans are actually buying the BS they spew at us.

 

[coladin]

I like what he had to say, and it seems he was highly regarded by many in the NHL. I don't think it is fair to bash him being in charge of the Leafs defence. I wouldn't change Ottawa's defence with theirs, so maybe he did the best he could with what he had to work with. Freddie covered up quite a bit too. I like that he is on board with analytics, probably the Maple Leafs influence there. He wasn't my first choice , or 2nd, but I really did not like any of them. Reading what former players have said about him is also encouraging. It is nice to get this out of the way, however, and how he watched games and saw the same stupid plays over and over again.

I think our team has a lot of potential , which was poorly coached. Our defence can skate and with proper coaching, should correct a lot of issues. Like facing the puck, lol. When he said that, it brought me back to pee wee

 

[Do Make Say Think]

So, anti-analytic people, whats wrong with generating this type of information? Analytics, or advanced stats are a fantastic tool to help build a lineup or for a coach to see tendencies and patterns in players and while building a lineup.

But, lets just call people keyboard warriors because insulting people is so so mature than analytical people.

I work in intel and enforcement, and I tell you, our Data Analytics group provides us fantastic information that we use in our intel products, with out the data they provide us, our work would be incomplete..

There is a reason we refer to the trouble makers as keyboard warriors. Those are the people who think that quoting stats means no argument is necessary, that is grants them some kind of authoritative status.

Analytics and stats are just numbers. Unless the formula used to get to them is flawed, numbers are never wrong (or right for that matter!)