A mid to late 2nd round pick is not a "high pick" to me. I think past trades to dump contracts (Monahan, Marleau, etc.) show a mid-late first value is about 6 millions USD worth in cap for a year. Zaitsev has a year and a half left at 4.5.
Weekes: Senators willing to trade high pick or prospect to dump Nikita Zaitsev's contract
- Thread starter Marc the Habs Fan
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The no trade clause is the issue insofar as he can't be traded to any of the 10 teams on his no trade clause list without him expressly waiving that clause.
You seem to think it's not an obstacle at all, because if the Sens try to move him to one of those teams, and he refuses, the Sens can say "either waive it or we'll send you to the AHL".
If sending Zaitsev to the AHL like you want the Sens to threaten to do would solve the problem they're trying to solve (whatever that may be), they would simply do that first without trading him along with a high pick or good prospect. Because why would they pay one of those to move him when simply waiving him would solve the issue the Sens are trying to solve by trading him?
Waiving him and sending him to the AHL, therefore, doesn't solve the problem. Therefore, threatening to do so if he doesn't waive his NTC would be an empty threat, because ultimately they would still need to trade him because waiving him didn't solve the problem.
That's why they need to attach the pick and/or prospect to get the deal done.
So yes, the value required to move him is an obstacle, but you also need to work around his NTC to find a team willing to take him, and that he's willing to go to.
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I could see a three way with Columbus hopping in to facilitate cap complications.
To Columbus :Zaitsev + Ottawa 1st(+), + various extra cap compliance pieces
To OTT : Chychrun
To AZ: Required pieces for Chychrun
Just a rough draft, not really sure it would work now that I type it all out. But Columbus has been rumored to be looking to take on cap during a lost season. And while Columbus would ideally like to add Chychrun themselves, they aren't in a spot to do that. So grab some extra pieces in a lost season. Either take those picks and continue to stock the pool or look to package the picks with other pieces to find themselves and upgrade in the off-season / next season.
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My guess is that your guess/premise throw at the dartboard is simply wrong, invalidating the rest.
If the Sens offer AD a fair contract, it would appear by all informal accounts and “people in the know” is that he would be happy to re-sign in Ottawa.
this is definitely the important part to take away here.
This one makes sense.
Golden_Jet
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Refresh my memory on how long Debrincat had on his contract and what digit the extension is expected to start with. Was it an 8 or 9 and how many years? 7 or 8?
Pinto Bean
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Would be so dumb to help another team by giving them a "high pick" or a good prospect just to dump Zaitsev immediately. No need to let other teams take advantage of the Sens situation.
Keep the 1st and the other higher-end prospects. Pay the Zaitsev bonus and send him off for a much more affordable price in the off-season.
Keep the 1st and the other higher-end prospects. Pay the Zaitsev bonus and send him off for a much more affordable price in the off-season.
ole ole
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I think the Sens could easily get a better younger player for their 1st and Zaitsev .
toddkaz
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Zaitsev + Thomson to Buffalo for a 3rd.
Then you could just waive him. I think the point is to not pay the bonus.
Blackhawkswincup
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What better and younger Top 4 D are you going to get for a Sens 1st and cap dump?
I think you gotta add in a 2nd and prospect.
The 2nd and prospect alone to dump Zaitzev
The 1st to get the player your eyeing
Dr Quincy
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Why does ARI need to involve CBJ.. other than a CBJ fan wants to get a free asset?
Weltschmerz
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There’s plenty like the Sharks that have the cap space.I love how all the fans from teams with no cap space jump in and ask for a first
Ledge And Dairy
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2 years vs 1 is a massive difference. There's also the fact that both Monahan and Patches are decent hockey player whereas Zaitsev is an AHLer. It won't specifically coat their 1st round pick in 2023 but it will cost likely cost a mid-late 1st in value (either prospect or pick). The cost for dumping bad players has gone up since the Ladd trade.
Weltschmerz
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They can LTIR Kunin who is out for the season to open up likely enough to make a deal happen now if necessary.
Seras
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It would take at least a 2nd round pick next year at this same time, will def take more than that this year with 1.5 seasons to go
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Fatass
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Is Zaitsev so much of a problem the Sens will give up important futures (they’re not a playoff team) to move him a year sooner than waiting and trading him as an expiring contract rental in 2024? He’s likely to have some value at the 2024 TDL, right?
Jumptheshark
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as I just posted it took a 2nd, 3rd and dropping 4 spots in the first round to move Kassian. Even though 50% of the season is gone, the drop in the first round covers that
Fatass
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But the Oilers are a playoff team that is needing cap to try and win now. The Sens aren’t in the same situation.
Jumptheshark
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Then why move a HIGH draft pick to move the contract? Because they want to sign Alex B and that second year of K contract is a problem
